Vtr/vts conversion

1. jamieb809 Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2009 Sevenoaks, Kent Posts: 154 1998 Citroen saxo expose

   #1 30th August 2011, 14:07

   I'm considering converting my 1.1, and sorry if this topic has already been covered.
   My Saxo is a mk1, if I bought a mk2 engine would I be able to run it using a vtr ecu from a mk1?
   
   I just don't want to replace the whole loom,
   Thanks
2. defqon1 L-plater Joined: Aug 2011 In the sea Posts: 33 mk1 matt black dimma 16v pocket rocket!

   #2 30th August 2011, 16:32

   Nope! ... If u have a mk2 engine u need a mk2 ecu .. (3 plug) .. mk1 ecu are single plug ... u need to get a vtr vts engine out of the same year as ur's! .. Looms differ from year to year ... I.e .. Single plug .. 3 plug .. other end of loom .. 1 Screw on connecter an a green an yellow push on or two screws on's ... Then u need twin fan set up for vts engine an all other bits ... Plus if u go from a 1.1 to a vtr/vts u would need disc's axle at the bk to stop it cuz drums ent gud enuff! ...
3. mr-sean Newbie Joined: Nov 2010 swinford Posts: 9 01 1.6 vts 16v

   #3 31st August 2011, 01:19

   i have a 01 ph 2 1.4 saxo 1 screw connector. and i bought a 98 106 gti 16v engine what set up will be easiest to run that
4. George1234 L-plater Joined: Aug 2010 ashford kent Posts: 45 03 plate vts

   #4 1st September 2011, 16:42

   not even worth doing if im honest mate, was going to do a conversion on my vtr and figured it wasnt worth it. let alone a 1.1.. im thinking you have drum breaks too lol??? pointless! the amount of work needed to make it stop and corner as well as it goes will cost £££ would be a cool sleeper car in therory, just keep it as a theory though... and insurance? if you get pulled or crash with a 16v lump under there you will get arse raped!! guessing your 17 if you just have a 1.1 take my advice and just get a vtr and if the insurance isnt too bad so vts that's what im mid way through doing
5. Oli_K Established Member Joined: Oct 2007 leeds/ponte carlo/rawdon Posts: 2354 vt?

   #5 1st September 2011, 16:52

   yes, you can splice the looms
6. user_50089 Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2011 Bradford on Avon (Near Bath) Posts: 653 - 1999 MK1 Citroen Saxo Westie - Dead - 2003 Niss

   #6 2nd September 2011, 11:25

   do what im planning. im going to cam a 1.4 westie. with a supersprint system and a few other bits and bobs, should be pushing out a little more than the VTR, and sound a lot better.
   
   Look around the for sale threads, can pick up a VTR/S axle for like £100
7. mangojace Established Member Joined: Mar 2011 Hampshire Posts: 1484

   #7 2nd September 2011, 21:31

   why would you want to do that and waste money on a 1.4, apart from insurance costs! Vts engine ftw!

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8. wicked-vtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2009 Surrey Posts: 2608 200sx s14a mark 1 vts

   #8 2nd September 2011, 21:42

   You dont need a disc beam front brakes do all the stopping anyway.
   
   You'll need a vts enging, loom and ecu and youll have to weld a vt top engine mount in too iirc
9. kennym1987 Established Member Joined: Sep 2007 Armadale, West Lothian Posts: 1230 flatty 16v sleeper and a regular vts

   #9 5th September 2011, 15:07

   it can be done on standard mounts
10. user_50089 Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2011 Bradford on Avon (Near Bath) Posts: 653 - 1999 MK1 Citroen Saxo Westie - Dead - 2003 Niss

    #10 5th September 2011, 15:27

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mangojace why would you want to do that and waste money on a 1.4, apart from insurance costs! Vts engine ftw!

    exactly that, i've already got the quotes and is cheaper to cam my 1.4 then even put a VTR lump in, plus I want something a little different which will go just as well as a VTR, but sound much better and more fun
    
    When I get a VTS I want it standard, I dont want the "S" lump in a westie car for example.
11. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

    #11 5th September 2011, 15:45

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saxo_gray do what im planning. im going to cam a 1.4 westie. with a supersprint system and a few other bits and bobs, should be pushing out a little more than the VTR, and sound a lot better. Look around the for sale threads, can pick up a VTR/S axle for like £100

    I dont get this how would a cammed 1.4 8v be pushing out more than a vtr would? I'm not too up on the 1.4 8v but I'd think its got small valves and would be restricted in the head
12. user_50089 Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2011 Bradford on Avon (Near Bath) Posts: 653 - 1999 MK1 Citroen Saxo Westie - Dead - 2003 Niss

    #12 5th September 2011, 15:57

    its only 15bhp less than the VTR. cams, decent induction kit, full supersprint with de-cat and a remap? got to be more than 15bhp increase, plus the 1.4 box is shorter so a bit more acceleration gain more than top end.
    
    a remap alone can give up to 10bhp, plus as stated, its something different and all that is still cheaper on insurance
13. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

    #13 5th September 2011, 16:23

    I'm not sure it'd make 20 bhp from just a cam but it depends whats fitted and how its mapped. One thing to consider is a 1.4 XSi engine as thats good for 103bhp standard but you'll probably require loom changes to run its ECU or a remap at the very least. Either is going to be costly!

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