throttal body’s cams and remap

  1. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 772
    #1
    Right I am looking to go throttal body’s cams and remap but getting put off with what people are saying you wont get much bhp, so what I am looking for is people with throttal body’s and cams setup what they got I was told 170 at the wheel you won’t get that with this setup. It will be good to hear what you got, and were you pleased with what you got.
  2. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 772
    #2
    no 1 ..................
  3. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #3
    Throttle bodies...

    170 at the wheels with out alot of work no chance.

    140 at the wheels with a set of cams and bodies in reality (if lucky)

    Forged pistons + jp4 head and ph4 set up should see you at 150-160 atw depending on rolling variables.
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  4. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 772
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ryan View Post
    Throttle bodies...

    170 at the wheels with out alot of work no chance.

    140 at the wheels with a set of cams and bodies in reality (if lucky)

    Forged pistons + jp4 head and ph4 set up should see you at 150-160 atw depending on rolling variables.
    so when they say 170 that will be at the fly
  5. Established Member Joined: Nov 2008 Eastbourne Posts: 2474 Astra van daily Black Saxo VTR 16v'd kent PT51
    #5
    If you want to go chasing figures there is no point going for ITB's. But it will improve the way the car pulls and the sound is awesome !
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  6. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #6
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by toxic View Post
    so when they say 170 that will be at the fly
    Ja..

    Most people quote fly and not wheel figures.
  7. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 772
    #7
    i think i will get a super charger kit with Forged Pistons & Steel Rods Set if i need that power.
  8. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2008 Driving my GTI Posts: 2659 Boosted 106 GTI 16V Supercharged
    #8
    My mate off 106 owners has a 106 gti with Newman ph3 cams and AT power bodies plus remap and he has:

    161.1 Bhp Atf & 140.7 Atw

    This should give you a rough idea of the figures achievable with those mods.
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  9. Established Member Joined: Sep 2007 Swadlincote Posts: 1185 2003 Black VTR
    #9
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ryan View Post
    Throttle bodies...

    170 at the wheels with out alot of work no chance.

    140 at the wheels with a set of cams and bodies in reality (if lucky)

    Forged pistons + jp4 head and ph4 set up should see you at 150-160 atw depending on rolling variables.
    What were the secrets to your 198bhp beast if you don't mind me asking?

    Serious headwork and internals?
  10. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2003 Scotland Posts: 3380
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ryan View Post
    Ja..

    Most people quote fly and not wheel figures.
    they doo cos its a bigger figure ,but when all said and done its only wheel bhp that makes it go and its so easy to give silly transmission losses to increase the flywheel figure.
    so the wheel figure is what really matters and thats the only true figure( most accurate) that can be measured on a car -flywheel figures are a caluclation not what is measured by dyno
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  11. Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)
    #11
    The greatest gains are usually in the mid range with throttlebodies. They make a significantly faster car even if the peak figure does not seem special
  12. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 772
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KamRacing View Post
    The greatest gains are usually in the mid range with throttlebodies. They make a significantly faster car even if the peak figure does not seem special
    so you still can have a fast car with throttlebodies i seen the 1s you sell Jenvey throttle body kit and catcams 708 with a remap dont no if that would work well
  13. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #13
    Most 708 cars with bodies do go very well nice range of power and a good delivery

    I made 163 at wheels 186 fly with a lot more than just cams and bodies


    Also stop saying a remap youll need a new ecu (predator at least) to get a decent map on the car
    im running an omex on mine mapped by northampton motorsport

    Somrthing like a pred is a cheaper option and plug and play though
  14. Established Member Joined: Mar 2011 Torbay Posts: 1285 Mauritius Vts, 206 Gti 180
    #14
    Unless you are going to venture a bit deeper into the engine, 708's or ph3's are about the limit of what cams you could use as i understand. If set up well with those itb's your car would be a fair bit faster, even if the bhp figure isnt quite what you were expecting.
  15. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 772
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AlexB View Post
    Most 708 cars with bodies do go very well nice range of power and a good delivery

    I made 163 at wheels 186 fly with a lot more than just cams and bodies


    Also stop saying a remap youll need a new ecu (predator at least) to get a decent map on the car
    im running an omex on mine mapped by northampton motorsport

    Somrthing like a pred is a cheaper option and plug and play though
    Ok I will stop saying remap lol yes I was thinking about another ecu do you need another loom or do you keep your old 1.
  16. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2007 Posts: 16839 Saxo VTS, Westfield
    #16
    Predator ecu is plug and play....uses existing wiring loom.

    Other aftermarket ecu's tend to require custom looms or major alterations.
  17. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 772
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by J222JRA View Post
    Predator ecu is plug and play....uses existing wiring loom.

    Other aftermarket ecu's tend to require custom looms or major alterations.
    is the predator for a 3 plug ecu or 1 plug thought they were only 1 plug
  18. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2007 Posts: 16839 Saxo VTS, Westfield
    #18
    You need to sit down and do some research tbh buddy lol

    Its now available for the 3 plug vts engine.

    See the predator forum in our affiliates section.
  19. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 772
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by J222JRA View Post
    You need to sit down and do some research tbh buddy lol

    Its now available for the 3 plug vts engine.

    See the predator forum in our affiliates section.
    That’s good did not know they did yes m8 i am looking into tbh that’s why i am asking people on here just to get some advice. Had a look can not see any 3 plug predator ecu for sale is it still in the making
  20. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 772
    #20
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by J222JRA View Post
    You need to sit down and do some research tbh buddy lol

    Its now available for the 3 plug vts engine.

    See the predator forum in our affiliates section.
    I sent Andy a email about the predator and he has 3 plug ecu I will pop over some time to get 1 when I got things going he cam map from home or were he works
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  21. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2008 Driving my GTI Posts: 2659 Boosted 106 GTI 16V Supercharged
    #21
    I've been chatting with Andy for past few days and I'm getting the 1 plug predator off him end of this month as I can't cope with the car keep cutting out all the time due to cams and will be having it re mapped when I get there and then when I get the bodies will just have it mapped again.
  22. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 772
    #22
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ldavies View Post
    I've been chatting with Andy for past few days and I'm getting the 1 plug predator off him end of this month as I can't cope with the car keep cutting out all the time due to cams and will be having it re mapped when I get there and then when I get the bodies will just have it mapped again.
    were is he based so when mine is done i will pop over seen your car looks nice were you getting your bodies from
  23. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2008 Driving my GTI Posts: 2659 Boosted 106 GTI 16V Supercharged
    #23
    He is based in Southampton mate.
    Im going for the AT Power bodies mate.
  24. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 772
    #24
    its a bit far out for me as i am in Sunderland would have to go some were to get mapped
  25. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 772
    #25
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ldavies View Post
    He is based in Southampton mate.
    Im going for the AT Power bodies mate.
    will be good to see them when they are on your car, and to see how good they are
  26. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2008 Driving my GTI Posts: 2659 Boosted 106 GTI 16V Supercharged
    #26
    Cheers mate.
    I'm traveling to Andy 2 hours each way but I'm sure it will be worth it.
    Iirc mate you might find it hard to get someone to map it as I don't believe many companies map the predators, could be wrong but might be worth looking into it or speaking with Andy.
  27. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 772
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ldavies View Post
    Cheers mate.
    I'm traveling to Andy 2 hours each way but I'm sure it will be worth it.
    Iirc mate you might find it hard to get someone to map it as I don't believe many companies map the predators, could be wrong but might be worth looking into it or speaking with Andy.
    will have a chat with him see what he can do. what do you think of these from kamracing were you getting yours from.

    http://www.kamracing.co.uk/citroen/c...6-16v-vts.html
  28. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2008 Driving my GTI Posts: 2659 Boosted 106 GTI 16V Supercharged
    #28
    I was looking at the jenveys to start with mate but with what I've heard from people the trumpets are too long and is apparently hard to get them fitted.
    Also I've seen alot of people get rid of the jenveys and go for the AT power bodies.
  29. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 772
    #29
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ldavies View Post
    I was looking at the jenveys to start with mate but with what I've heard from people the trumpets are too long and is apparently hard to get them fitted.
    Also I've seen alot of people get rid of the jenveys and go for the AT power bodies.
    were are you getting yours from i will have to see were else do them
  30. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2008 Driving my GTI Posts: 2659 Boosted 106 GTI 16V Supercharged
    #30
    There's several places that sell them mate.
    I'm just going to shop around when I'm ready to purchase them and see where's the cheapest.
  31. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 772
    #31
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ldavies View Post
    There's several places that sell them mate.
    I'm just going to shop around when I'm ready to purchase them and see where's the cheapest.
    seen these might get them will have to see

    http://www.gmcmotorsport.co.uk/engin.../prod_573.html
  32. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 772
    #32
    Any way thanks for your help and hope every think goes ok with your car mods
  33. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #33
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ldavies View Post
    Also I've seen alot of people get rid of the jenveys and go for the AT power bodies.
    whos done that??

    i took a motor that was running at powers and got a considerably better torque curve aswell as higher figures on both torque and bhp from my webbers (proper 45s like jenveys)

    the at powers work as a bolt on budget kit but if your after a good set of curves then imo a proper setup will give a better result

    and you can buy lots of different trumpet sizes and get filters on
    at powers can only run filters on there shortest trumpets as far as im aware
  34. Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)
    #34
    AT Power throttle bodies are a great bit of kit. I'm not going to deny it lol
    It is simple to fit and set up and the price is fantastic.

    The Jenveys are a pain in comparison, but anyone competent with simple mechanics can build them. Even me and I didnt use instructions
    The benefit of the Jenveys is the better angle. They angle higher up so it helps give plenty of options with trumpet length. If you are prepared to chop the bulkhead a little you can get over 100mm trumpets on which is great for this engine.