To wrap or not to wrap?

1. user_53326 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2011 Redditch/Swansea Posts: 152 Mk2 TwoTone Saxo VTR

   #1 14th September 2011, 14:51

   Alright
   
   Got myself a raceland manifold to accompany my John Ashley exhaust and was just wondering whether to wrap it or not.
   
   Done a bit of research on here and have read mixed opinions from people so just wondered if anyone else had any more of an idea, or stories of theirs?
   
   I know one of the main reasons is to help with engine bay temps but on the other hand I have heard that they can crack.
   
   I think the performance gains would be negligible so that doesn't bother me, I was just trying to find out the best option in terms of heat controlling heat without melting anything or cracking the manifold.
   
   Cheers
2. user_37187 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2009 Stranraer Posts: 3437 bodied VTR

   #2 14th September 2011, 14:56

   unless you are going power hunting with boost or itb's I wouldn't bother but imo I would always do it just because I like the look of heatwrap and anything after that is a bonus
3. user_53326 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2011 Redditch/Swansea Posts: 152 Mk2 TwoTone Saxo VTR

   #3 14th September 2011, 15:05

   Fair enough........Just don't want to crack the manifold bearing in mind the raceland isn't exactly the best build quality haha
4. DanTvts Established Member Joined: Mar 2011 Torbay Posts: 1285 Mauritius Vts, 206 Gti 180

   #4 14th September 2011, 17:47

   I think personally unless you can be bothered to keep polishing every little bit of it, it starts looking bad pretty quickly, and for me on a daily driven car thats not an option so thats another benefit of the wrap in my eyes. I mainly wrapped mine for the temps as ive got bigger plans though, anything else was just a bonus. Imo looks better though
5. Gareth_R Established Member Joined: Mar 2010 Basildon, Essex Posts: 1042 Citroen AX VTS

   #5 14th September 2011, 18:03

   I used to run a wrapped raceland and had no problems with cracking or anything
   
   By retaining heat in the manifold it's supposed to help the gases flow better. Just watch you don't park right up on a curb as I did and caught the mani, tearing the wrap and it looked shite after that as it started to fall apart
6. user_53326 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2011 Redditch/Swansea Posts: 152 Mk2 TwoTone Saxo VTR

   #6 14th September 2011, 20:30

   I admit it does look good ................ so thats 2-0 the wrap haha
7. logic_guy Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2010 England Posts: 3423

   #7 14th September 2011, 20:41

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by DanTvts

   But his done it wrong
   
   His wrapped uip 2 pipes in one hit. Its reccomeneded and for best results to wrap each pipe up indivualy as far as you can go. PLus IMO, looks more professional.

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8. user_53326 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2011 Redditch/Swansea Posts: 152 Mk2 TwoTone Saxo VTR

   #8 14th September 2011, 21:02

   How much on average did you use to wrap the whole manifold?
9. user_35090 Established Member Joined: Jun 2009 west mids (dudley) Posts: 1201 cammed 106 flatty

   #9 14th September 2011, 21:04

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by -shuggles- unless you are going power hunting with boost or itb's I wouldn't bother but imo I would always do it just because I like the look of heatwrap and anything after that is a bonus

   +1 to shuggs
   
   i think heat wrapped manifolds, if done neatly, look really nice.
10. DanTvts Established Member Joined: Mar 2011 Torbay Posts: 1285 Mauritius Vts, 206 Gti 180

    #10 14th September 2011, 21:50

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by logic_guy But his done it wrong His wrapped uip 2 pipes in one hit. Its reccomeneded and for best results to wrap each pipe up indivualy as far as you can go. PLus IMO, looks more professional.

    Ah...but you are infact wrong . i have wrapped them indivually but i preferred the look once i'd gone over it twice....but im sure people will be along to pick some more faults with my car shortly though!
11. logic_guy Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2010 England Posts: 3423

    #11 14th September 2011, 23:03

    Oh right, i like it
    
    barlow135 - You need 2" wide and 50ft long (15 metres) You will have some left over which you may wish to wrap up your centre pipe.
    
    Don't get the 20ft length one as you'll be too short.
12. johnnyg_vts Established Member Joined: Dec 2006 Fleetwood Posts: 2244 2002 Saxo VTS

    #12 14th September 2011, 23:21

    I wrapped mine but mainly only to stop the manifold from frying the alternator.
    
    Performance wise there is bugger all difference to be had by wrapping.
    
    But as stated it's practical, oh, and it looks great.
13. azzasaxo Newbie Joined: Sep 2010 birmingham Posts: 15 first car saxo 1.1 vtr replica

    #13 14th September 2011, 23:31

    ive heat wrapped myn
14. user_18250 Established Member Joined: Sep 2007 Swadlincote Posts: 1185 2003 Black VTR

    #14 14th September 2011, 23:42

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by azzasaxo ive heat wrapped myn

    You wasted money on a manifold for a 1.1?
15. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

    #15 15th September 2011, 00:25

    Ive heatwrapped my 4 branch on my vtr/xsi hybrid engine, its not really brought down the engine temps by any margin.
16. turbod_vtr Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 stockport Posts: 103 Mk2 Saxo vtrt, clio sport, megane 225

    #16 15th September 2011, 00:29

    im going heat wraped. i think it looks tidy.
17. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

    #17 15th September 2011, 00:53

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gandi699 Ive heatwrapped my 4 branch on my vtr/xsi hybrid engine, its not really brought down the engine temps by any margin.

    This!
    
    We use to do heat wrapping at work all the time but no customers ever noticed any difference. The best way to reduce engine bay temp's is ceramic coating allso looks cool as f**k.
18. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

    #18 15th September 2011, 01:05

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bedford126 This! We use to do heat wrapping at work all the time but no customers ever noticed any difference. The best way to reduce engine bay temp's is ceramic coating allso looks cool as f**k.

    Its about £50 for per ft isnt it?
19. user_53326 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2011 Redditch/Swansea Posts: 152 Mk2 TwoTone Saxo VTR

    #19 15th September 2011, 17:25

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SteveWC You wasted money on a manifold for a 1.1?

    LOL
    
    

    Quote:

    We use to do heat wrapping at work all the time but no customers ever noticed any difference. The best way to reduce engine bay temp's is ceramic coating allso looks cool as f**k.

    I would love to get that done but is way too expensive haha
    
    

    Quote:

    barlow135 - You need 2" wide and 50ft long (15 metres)

    Cheers. I know where to buy it online but just wondered if anyone knew if any shops sell it. Like to get it done this weekend you see.
20. white_vtr Frequent Poster Joined: May 2009 newcastle Posts: 921 Bianca gti on bodys Black evo 9

    #20 15th September 2011, 17:36

    my raceland is wrapped, its cracked once underneath where the 2 meets the 1.. got it repaired and yes its still wrapped cos it looks the dogs bollocks
21. user_36879 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2009 Ascot Posts: 4619 Mint 106 rallye, Saxo VTR

    #21 15th September 2011, 18:44

    Im not a very big fam of heat wrap unless it is black :/ looks much better/smarter then the normal white one!
22. user_53326 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2011 Redditch/Swansea Posts: 152 Mk2 TwoTone Saxo VTR

    #22 15th September 2011, 18:49

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by joe333 Im not a very big fam of heat wrap unless it is black :/ looks much better/smarter then the normal white one!

    I do agree but to be honest I don't care what it looks like I want it to do a job haha
23. corey-b Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2009 Gateshead Posts: 136 16v'd Black n Orange Furio :p

    #23 15th September 2011, 18:56

    never seen a black 1.. any pics?
24. toxic Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 772

    #24 15th September 2011, 20:01

    Do you need any think to stick it on with or just rap it around and use metal zip ties
25. shellz090 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 153

    #25 15th September 2011, 21:38

    Ive always thought about wrapping mine, might have to just do it, as it does look miles better!
26. johnnyg_vts Established Member Joined: Dec 2006 Fleetwood Posts: 2244 2002 Saxo VTS

    #26 16th September 2011, 03:04

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by toxic Do you need any think to stick it on with or just rap it around and use metal zip ties

    You usually get some shitty metal ties with the wrap.
    
    I had a heap of jubilee clips in the garage so I used them.
    
    My wrap ain't falling off without a fight lol
27. toxic Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 772

    #27 16th September 2011, 14:26

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by johnnyg_vts You usually get some shitty metal ties with the wrap. I had a heap of jubilee clips in the garage so I used them. My wrap ain't falling off without a fight lol

    lol
28. user_49724 L-plater Joined: Jan 2011 Norton Posts: 64 saxo vts , micra 1.0l turbo , skyline gt white ,

    #28 16th September 2011, 19:27

    U usually get some crap metal ties just use upjubilee clips are the best I think
29. tepson L-plater Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 89

    #29 16th September 2011, 19:42

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by toxic Do you need any think to stick it on with or just rap it around and use metal zip ties

    from what ive heard its best to get the wrap wet with water then you run the engine for the first time it cures it all together. not 100% but thats what i did on on my old starlet and it worked a treat.
30. beardyboy Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2011 essex Posts: 157 2001 saxo vtr turbo

    #30 16th September 2011, 20:54

    i heat wrapped my turbo mani in black heat wrap but now after 3 months its going white and loosing its colour :-(
31. edgey Newbie Joined: Sep 2011 Coventry Posts: 3 Saxo VTS Mk2 2001

    #31 21st September 2011, 13:38

    i've just brought some heat wrap and a new manifold, i bought the heat wrap as i know of the amount of heat in the engine, this produces. has anyone seen improvements from the heat wrap?
32. AL3X_ Established Member Joined: May 2010 Posts: 1434

    #32 21st September 2011, 14:48

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by corey-b never seen a black 1.. any pics?

    
    
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by beardyboy i heat wrapped my turbo mani in black heat wrap but now after 3 months its going white and loosing its colour :-(

    Mine is doing the same now mate, looked good when done but its starting to turn white
33. ChAdS Established Member Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 1385

    #33 21st September 2011, 15:46

    I am thinking about this my self mate wrap it or not, to be honest heat wrap is proper expensive I reckon like £50
    
    
    How much do you think you would need to do a mani anyway 20m?
34. user_53326 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2011 Redditch/Swansea Posts: 152 Mk2 TwoTone Saxo VTR

    #34 21st September 2011, 16:10

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ChAdS I am thinking about this my self mate wrap it or not, to be honest heat wrap is proper expensive I reckon like £50 How much do you think you would need to do a mani anyway 20m?

    People reccomended me to buy 50ft. Looks enough tbh. I bought some cheaper one as i don't want it to be too good and crack the manifold but do want to reduce bay temps.
35. ChAdS Established Member Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 1385

    #35 21st September 2011, 16:13

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by barlow135 People reccomended me to buy 50ft. Looks enough tbh. I bought some cheaper one as i don't want it to be too good and crack the manifold but do want to reduce bay temps.

    50ft is what in M ( have no idea ). Were you buy yours from ?
36. user_53326 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2011 Redditch/Swansea Posts: 152 Mk2 TwoTone Saxo VTR

    #36 21st September 2011, 16:18

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ChAdS 50ft is what in M ( have no idea ). Were you buy yours from ?

    Just over 15 metres....... got it off EGay
37. ChAdS Established Member Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 1385

    #37 21st September 2011, 16:18

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by barlow135 Just over 15 metres....... got it off EGay

    Linky
38. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

    #38 21st September 2011, 16:19

    I wouldnt bother again especially on a saxo. If I was buying a new manifold for a decent car I'd zircotec it
39. user_53326 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2011 Redditch/Swansea Posts: 152 Mk2 TwoTone Saxo VTR

    #39 21st September 2011, 16:21

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nk....c0.m270.l1313
    
    Theres loads of ones on there..... thats 50 ft of 2" wide wrap btw
40. ChAdS Established Member Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 1385

    #40 21st September 2011, 16:29

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50mm-2-Exh...item19c740e390
    
    
    Is this 50ft, 2" wide?
41. user_53326 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2011 Redditch/Swansea Posts: 152 Mk2 TwoTone Saxo VTR

    #41 21st September 2011, 16:36

    Says its 50mm/2" wide and its a 5m roll
42. user_39461 Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.

    #42 21st September 2011, 18:35

    
    
    win.
43. corey-b Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2009 Gateshead Posts: 136 16v'd Black n Orange Furio :p

    #43 25th September 2011, 15:11

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AL3X_ Mine is doing the same now mate, looked good when done but its starting to turn white

    if thats the case then i'll just leave it white lol.. bet it does look good when 1st done though