Important! : saxo 2.0 8v turbo pug 406 sri

17th September 2011, 07:39

i have just bought a 406sri turbo 2.0 8v my plan is to drop the engine into the saxo has anyone else on here done the job before if so do you have a project thread i can get a rough idea of what im letting myself in for thanks

17th September 2011, 08:13

look at anyone who has put an xu engine in. Theres someone on 106owners fitting a diesel.
Why the sri turbo though?

17th September 2011, 08:14

Never seen it dropped into a Saxo but it's a popular conversion in 306s and I've seen the same engine in 205s. Considering the VTS lump also goes into a 205 without major headaches I can't see it being too big a job to get it to fit.

Your biggest challenge will be the wiring

17th September 2011, 08:21

Sounds fucking insane! Ive always wanted to put a Xsara Vts engine in a vtr/s, thought it would be beast!

17th September 2011, 08:37

would this fit straight in like? What bhp are they?

17th September 2011, 08:47

It's never going to be a straight fit...

17th September 2011, 09:15

Depends how well your welding skills are! Worked on this engine in a 206 before, and I've worked on a 106Gti-6, wiring shouldn't be too complicated but at a guess you going to need a custom exhaust manifold or some sort of modification to the bulkhead, engine mount on the drivers side will need to be welded on from the 406 iirc and I'm sure depending on what gearbox your going to use the mount on pas side may not need adjusting. Bottom engine mount will need some welding too and then you need to sort the shafts. That's my rough guess at the main things From what I've seen

17th September 2011, 09:30

[QUOTE=KamRacing;5561828]look at anyone who has put an xu engine in. Theres someone on 106owners fitting a diesel.
Why the sri turbo though?[/QUOTE

always wanted to turbo the vts engine but would cost to much so i bough the sri turbo as the mounts are in pretty much the same place as the saxo got the car cheep its only done 43k with 150bhp standard so with some mods should be fun bhp and i like a challenge lol

17th September 2011, 09:33

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Originally Posted by saxo180

Never seen it dropped into a Saxo but it's a popular conversion in 306s and I've seen the same engine in 205s. Considering the VTS lump also goes into a 205 without major headaches I can't see it being too big a job to get it to fit.

Your biggest challenge will be the wiring

wires are no problem for me i will use the whole loom from the 406 i had to use the whole loom from the vts i used as it was a single plug ecu from a 98vts and i have a 52plate vtr with 3 plug ecu so should be ok there

17th September 2011, 09:33

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Originally Posted by corey-b

would this fit straight in like? What bhp are they?

150bhp standard

17th September 2011, 09:35

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Originally Posted by Tom5190

Depends how well your welding skills are! Worked on this engine in a 206 before, and I've worked on a 106Gti-6, wiring shouldn't be too complicated but at a guess you going to need a custom exhaust manifold or some sort of modification to the bulkhead, engine mount on the drivers side will need to be welded on from the 406 iirc and I'm sure depending on what gearbox your going to use the mount on pas side may not need adjusting. Bottom engine mount will need some welding too and then you need to sort the shafts. That's my rough guess at the main things From what I've seen

ye looks like a tad of welding required lol wires should be ok im going to use the whole loom from the 406

17th September 2011, 10:28

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Originally Posted by b-christie

ye looks like a tad of welding required lol wires should be ok im going to use the whole loom from the 406

Interior loom too?

17th September 2011, 11:53

do it, about time someone did interesting conversions rather then bolt in jobbies!

17th September 2011, 12:25

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Originally Posted by Tom5190

Interior loom too?

ye interior loom to bud done that with the vts conversion was simples

17th September 2011, 18:24

i know a lad who put one into a 309gti hes wound the boost and done a few other things it is compleatly mental when it hits boost...

17th September 2011, 18:35

good engines, I have had a couple 306`s with them in it. I vow that they are one of peugeots best engines for getting more power out of so easily and are cheap to buy in the first place. I had a front mount intercooler, fuel turned up and boost turned up to a bar with a 205 gti inlet manifold on it and made 210bhp. not bad for hardly spending ny money. I always thought it would be good to put one in a 106 aswell, hope you finish it.

17th September 2011, 18:40

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Originally Posted by saxo180

Never seen it dropped into a Saxo but it's a popular conversion in 306s and I've seen the same engine in 205s. Considering the VTS lump also goes into a 205 without major headaches I can't see it being too big a job to get it to fit.

Your biggest challenge will be the wiring

but the 205 comes with both the tu series engine so straight ish swap for a vtr/s
or they have xu engines which is the same base engine as this so drops straight in.

Wont be an easy mod in to a saxo, would assume that the bulk head would need adjusting.

17th September 2011, 20:51

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Originally Posted by KamRacing

look at anyone who has put an xu engine in. Theres someone on 106owners fitting a diesel.
Why the sri turbo though?[/QUOTE

always wanted to turbo the vts engine but would cost to much so i bough the sri turbo as the mounts are in pretty much the same place as the saxo got the car cheep its only done 43k with 150bhp standard so with some mods should be fun bhp and i like a challenge lol

There must be better options. Its not a great engine, an unexciting 8v with a crap manifold design and turbo. I'd rather look at options like turboing a gti6 and slapping that in there. People just turn up the boost on these but I fail to be impressed.

17th September 2011, 21:05

[quote=KamRacing;5562760]

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Originally Posted by b-christie

There must be better options. Its not a great engine, an unexciting 8v with a crap manifold design and turbo. I'd rather look at options like turboing a gti6 and slapping that in there. People just turn up the boost on these but I fail to be impressed.

each to there own im taking the cheaper option and a rare option fancy being a tat unique especially when ive owned my saxo for the last 7yrs and know it inside out

18th September 2011, 11:03

the attraction of the cheapness of buying an engine unit will soon dissappear once you work out all the other work required --for a miserable 150bhp in std frorm .
If you are getting into serious "cut+ shut" operations --then start with a better unit to start with -the time taken will be similar ,but results much more pleasing --
i cn think of alot of other better units to fit fi you are going to that much work .
cupra R ,megane turbo ,honda type R? lots of choices

18th September 2011, 11:57

I just noticed your 20 mins from me. When I put the engine in my 306 my mate had his 306 rallye with a lynx performance supercharger kit which was 3500 grand. He was still running it on low boost which made 240 bhp.
I bought my engine for 280 quid and fitted the front mount intercooler etc and all added up to no more than 600 quid. We had numerous drags from rolling starts etc and there was nothing in it.

John no mater what engine you say someone will pick up a problem with it, these are cheap engines for what they are.
Why not just buy a 306 and put it in that?

18th September 2011, 12:24

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Originally Posted by 106TURBO

I just noticed your 20 mins from me. When I put the engine in my 306 my mate had his 306 rallye with a lynx performance supercharger kit which was 3500 grand. He was still running it on low boost which made 240 bhp.
I bought my engine for 280 quid and fitted the front mount intercooler etc and all added up to no more than 600 quid. We had numerous drags from rolling starts etc and there was nothing in it.

John no mater what engine you say someone will pick up a problem with it, these are cheap engines for what they are.
Why not just buy a 306 and put it in that?

cos i have always fancied turboing my saxo as it has a certin value to me ive had it 7 years now and will never part with it i dont know what made me go for an sri turbo just looked fun to do lol

im threw in perth from time to time taking kids to the swimming what car do you have ill look out for it mines is a red saxo with t90 shy on the reg

18th September 2011, 12:29

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Originally Posted by axsaxoman

the attraction of the cheapness of buying an engine unit will soon dissappear once you work out all the other work required --for a miserable 150bhp in std frorm .
If you are getting into serious "cut+ shut" operations --then start with a better unit to start with -the time taken will be similar ,but results much more pleasing --
i cn think of alot of other better units to fit fi you are going to that much work .
cupra R ,megane turbo ,honda type R? lots of choices

cos the 406 is a cheaper option with the engine mounts pretty much in the same place as the saxo plus wiring is easier and its a cheep engine to repair and modify got the whole car for 600 with only 43k everything i need is there for much cheapness

1st October 2012, 14:36

Hi, was wondering if you managed to complete this conversion?

I also like this idea and want to know if it is do-able.

1st October 2012, 14:45

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Originally Posted by itsbudgie

Hi, was wondering if you managed to complete this conversion?

I also like this idea and want to know if it is do-able.

Of course it's possible

Just got to do your research and do more 'doing' than 'talking'.. That's how projects get done

1st October 2012, 16:14

ok I'll rephrase, I know it's do-able, I've seen pics of the engine in, I know Spoox fitted a 2.0 8v turbo in a 106. I just want to know how much hassle is involved before I start making commitments. It's not exactly a common conversion. For example I've been told the slam panel may need chopping to make it fit and I don't like the sound of that for obvious reasons!

1st October 2012, 17:40

its a massive hassle, its a fair sized lump, all mounts need fabricating, as do driveshafts.

the engine bay isn't big enough for an XU to be honest, and EW can be made to fit a lot easier as they sit more upright as standard, but still a faff as the TU has the exhaust at the front and sits further back in the engine bay.

1st October 2012, 18:04

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Originally Posted by welshpug

its a massive hassle, its a fair sized lump, all mounts need fabricating, as do driveshafts.

the engine bay isn't big enough for an XU to be honest, and EW can be made to fit a lot easier as they sit more upright as standard, but still a faff as the TU has the exhaust at the front and sits further back in the engine bay.

I'd like to see someone use the EW engine in a 106, lots of tuning potential and all ally block means there is no weight disadvantage.

1st October 2012, 20:13

But it is do-able.

That's all I needed to know! I'll look into it, talk to my mate who'd be carrying out the bulk of the work. I guessed I would need to get custom mounts and shafts made up anyway. I'm not really following the XU and EW talk. Is EW the 180 engine? I know i've got a TU, but I'm not clued up on other engines.

The reason I'm looking into it is because of the tuning potential, i've read about 406 sri turbo's running pulsar turbo's and pushing over 300 bhp. It sounds fun.

1st October 2012, 20:49

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Originally Posted by b-christie

150bhp standard

for the effort 150 bhp can be achieved a lot easier and cost wise probably less too

150 on a vts is a good panel filter a 4 branch manifold and exhaust some cams (708/ph3 ect) and a map
all in looking under 1500 if you shop about easily
all direct bolt in
all no messing

not trying to knock thinking outside the box with the engine swap but in my eyes the cons outweigh the pros on a saxo
205/306 where mounts exhaust mani and shafts dont need messing with is a different story

if you do go ahead fair play though

1st October 2012, 20:57

I've got all you have stated, though I've taken my 708's out for now. The car is running 143 bhp at the moment with raceland forced induction kit, 4-2-1 mani, pugsport and a few other bits and bobs. I'm just doing my research.

1st October 2012, 21:59

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Originally Posted by dannygti

I'd like to see someone use the EW engine in a 106, lots of tuning potential and all ally block means there is no weight disadvantage.

BIC had it done.

180 is one of the EW engines, thats the EW10J4S, there's the plaun EW10J4 138 bhp engine which is just as tunable if you throw away the original manifolds.

also there is a 2.2 EW12, and a 1.8 EW7.

4th October 2012, 13:40

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Originally Posted by itsbudgie

Hi, was wondering if you managed to complete this conversion?

I also like this idea and want to know if it is do-able.

this thread has come back to life a year later with no sign of the original poster ,so the answer will be no ,it never was done.
BIC,S covnersion --he paid a garage to do it and don,t even ask the price .
If someone wants this sort of job done --I,ll do it and charge only half normal labour rate --but it will take alot of time .
still think there are better power units to start with

11th May 2014, 18:30

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Originally Posted by axsaxoman

this thread has come back to life a year later with no sign of the original poster ,so the answer will be no ,it never was done.
BIC,S covnersion --he paid a garage to do it and don,t even ask the price .
If someone wants this sort of job done --I,ll do it and charge only half normal labour rate --but it will take alot of time .
still think there are better power units to start with

poster update 4 years later

car still on the road but the engine and loom still sitting there waiting to be done lol not had the time to even start but it will get it done haha, maybe get round to starting it in another couple years

11th May 2014, 19:05

ok 3 and a bit years but hey

12th May 2014, 20:16

ps a few 205s have this conversion done and the saxo is pretty much the same car so shouldn't be as hard as made out especially when my good mate is a time served fabricator/ sheet metal worker and my good next door buddie is a qualified auto sparky

12th May 2014, 21:41

nope, a 205 is VERY different, its a LONG way form being the same car.

the only similarities is that both had at some point a single point injected TU3, however the 205 shell was designed for the XUD engine which sits leaning back at 30 degrees with the exhaust and inlets on the rear, handily there was enough space for the XU5 105 bhp gti engine given it was the same series.

the TU engine only came into the 205 range in 1988, some 5 years or so after the first 205 came out, it just happened to fit in the quite spacious engine bay.

13th May 2014, 20:54

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Originally Posted by welshpug

nope, a 205 is VERY different, its a LONG way form being the same car.

the only similarities is that both had at some point a single point injected TU3, however the 205 shell was designed for the XUD engine which sits leaning back at 30 degrees with the exhaust and inlets on the rear, handily there was enough space for the XU5 105 bhp gti engine given it was the same series.

the TU engine only came into the 205 range in 1988, some 5 years or so after the first 205 came out, it just happened to fit in the quite spacious engine bay.

ok dokey but this conversion has been done before the saxo/106 was based on a 205 chassis im sure with a sheet metal worker as a best mate and a good neighbour as an auto electrician it will work without to much of a head ache

13th May 2014, 21:32

nope, the saxo/106 WAS NOT based on the 205, they were based on the AX which was a totally new design, they don't have a subframe for a start!

14th May 2014, 21:40

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Originally Posted by welshpug

nope, the saxo/106 WAS NOT based on the 205, they were based on the AX which was a totally new design, they don't have a subframe for a start!

your right im wrong just googled it I have always thought it was based upon the 205 but it does say they are very similar but 205 is slightly bigger than the 106 which is basically a saxo lol

28th May 2014, 02:53

if you can get it to fit it will be an animal i bought a blue slammed 306 few year ago with 2.0 8v sri turbo engine in it it were evil till intercooler splt lol

28th May 2014, 20:22

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Originally Posted by callum2k14

if you can get it to fit it will be an animal i bought a blue slammed 306 few year ago with 2.0 8v sri turbo engine in it it were evil till intercooler splt lol

It will fit with a good few mods but engines been sitting about for 3 years now and car is still a daily driver (9 and a half years now lol) will get round to it eventually im currently on the hunt for a decent family car now aswell