Best induction setup?

7th October 2011, 00:29

Basically,when I bought my VTR it had a cone filter directly to the throttle body, I replaced this with another newer one I had around, but I read a number of times(and using experience form my old car) that its better to have the filter further away from the TB, so I extended mine to near the headlight on some piping. This made my car feel slow as well as sound shit, I wonder if its maybe cos the standard airbox fits onto the TB the cone filter reacts best the same?

7th October 2011, 00:34

with the cone right on the tb surely its more prone to heat soak from the block. with the cone filter right at the front of the engine it should have been better. what are you using as a tube?
enclosed induction are really the best or even standard with a high performance panel filter

7th October 2011, 00:40

When I extended it I used some plastic tubing with elbow joints so it had a curve at the tb,down to the headlight and then sat to the side behind the light, worked perfect on my old car I had the filter down in the bumper which was custom with a smoothed in air duct....on the vtr it felt slow as fuck with this setup, so i went back to as above?

7th October 2011, 00:51

when i got mine it had the k&n set up exactly as yours but i hated it replaced it with:
http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/..._5611684_o.jpg
runs way better although that still gets hot air. going to get a induction heat shield for it but only going to use this until i can afford a propper kit.

As for sound tho it didnt differ from the k&n to this, sounded the same, throttle response was a lil better and engine run a fraction cooler to. but the k&n cone that was on there had a hole in the back of it which was no doubt for the breather pipe to go in. maybe thats the reason the induction i got made it feel better as it was set up better without the holes

lol

7th October 2011, 00:52

Pic dont work mate? lol

N yeah the hole will have had some negative effects mate

7th October 2011, 00:56

does it work now?

7th October 2011, 01:08

Just put standard airbox back on with a performance panel filter and get some cold air feed from slam panel to airbox.

Can't get any better than that for performance.

7th October 2011, 01:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChAdS

Just put standard airbox back on with a performance panel filter and get some cold air feed from slam panel to airbox.

Can't get any better than that for performance.

This!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

7th October 2011, 01:14

i would most probs have gone for that option but mine never came with standard

and the induction i got was a lot cheaper than standard lmao. do what these guys say if you have standard get that on and get a decent filter for that

7th October 2011, 01:19

I'd say an enclosed unit would be best. I've got one with a cold air feed just behind the grille on my bumper which works well in my experience

7th October 2011, 01:20

Standard set up can be got for 50 quid or cheaper with a green cotton filter. And i am sure it works out cheaper than "telling the insurance." About your ebay special induction kit.

7th October 2011, 14:02

Ah I see, how about raceland etc, surely these are better than standard?

I've got my standard airbox, but i'm running a breather filter, I assume it would be fine to block the breather hole on the airbox and then run it like that, I might try back to standard with a decent air feed

7th October 2011, 14:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by bedford126

Standard set up can be got for 50 quid or cheaper with a green cotton filter. And i am sure it works out cheaper than "telling the insurance." About your ebay special induction kit.

when i was looking on ebay there wasnt any on there other than one for £40 for just the box no cold feed pipes etc, came across my induction cheap so thats why i went for that option. felt better than the k&n that was on there but i havent really looked into an enclosed or standard set up since having this one as im happy with it. will no doubt replace it in future tho

7th October 2011, 18:25

My mate has one of these on his vtr, Its a universal enclosed induction kit. A bit like BMC but a copy.

He says it works well

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CARBON-FIB...item45fd96d691

I thought about buying one and trying it, To be honest it does look good under the bonnet. I have also seen a few vts's and vtr's using the same so must be decent.

Maybe give that a try?

7th October 2011, 19:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChAdS

My mate has one of these on his vtr, Its a universal enclosed induction kit. A bit like BMC but a copy.

He says it works well

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CARBON-FIB...item45fd96d691

I thought about buying one and trying it, To be honest it does look good under the bonnet. I have also seen a few vts's and vtr's using the same so must be decent.

Maybe give that a try?

that could be worth trying but putting a better filter in it and i bet it works well

7th October 2011, 19:46

Mine came with a closed induction as standard. Pipe comes off the TB and is mounted with a wider mouthed bit on the front of my car near the grill.

7th October 2011, 22:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcjacko1987

that could be worth trying but putting a better filter in it and i bet it works well

To be honest I think the filter that's in it will be fine.

7th October 2011, 22:35

I've always rated BMC CDA's. They are very good IMO

7th October 2011, 22:37

With a good bend and good air feed I've seen good gains from them, screw the sound. Performance>sound!

8th October 2011, 00:29

this is what i have:

in combination with:

works well

8th October 2011, 00:32

Is that bmc or is it a copy like they do on ebay i think the brand of the bmc copy is UrbanX or something a long them lines. I have heard good stuff about them.

8th October 2011, 00:36

Looks like the Carbon fibre BMC they once did. Or a BMC off another car, looks larger and its carbon fibre aint it? Not just carbon effect.

8th October 2011, 05:07

its a proper BMC carbon fibre one off a ford focus st180 iirc

its mahoooooosive

8th October 2011, 11:23

Should finish that off to the morette. You'd probs increase the velocity of the air going in and there'd be no way for engine bay air (hot) to get in. Might gain a pony or 2.

8th October 2011, 13:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChAdS

Just put standard airbox back on with a performance panel filter and get some cold air feed from slam panel to airbox.

Can't get any better than that for performance.

+1 induction kits are overrated crap.

8th October 2011, 14:08

That 106 one looks good, the topic was more to ask, how come on most cars if you increase the distance from the TB to the filter like say route it down into the bumper you get a lot better feeling and sound from the car, whereas with the sax doing this it felt so much slower and sounded shite :/

8th October 2011, 14:55

I had a piper cross enclosed induction installed on my car when i bought it.

It didn't make much roar but seemed to pull better down in the rev range

I now got a Raceland and seems a good all rounder. Sound, good torque and its enclosed.

8th October 2011, 15:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by AL3X_

That 106 one looks good, the topic was more to ask, how come on most cars if you increase the distance from the TB to the filter like say route it down into the bumper you get a lot better feeling and sound from the car, whereas with the sax doing this it felt so much slower and sounded shite :/

You should get a worse feeling.

Have a read of this, although it is written by a french guy

The filter is by définition a restrictive thing because its part is to prevent a direct contact by etablishing a wall of filtration. The more closer it is forme the engine, the less power is loosed. By definition a N/A engine "inhale" itself its air. If the filter is close to TB the engine doesn't have to spend too much energy to obtain the needed air. If the filter is far (as it is the cas for a CAI) from the engine have to make much more efforts to obtain the air. There is a pump effect. The distance is too important. There is a lack during a certain times between the moment where the engine inhales the air and the moment where all the air arrives and it doesn't arrive in enough quantity. To imagine the situation, think to a human being. When you breath you don't have probleme because your nose is short. If you get a mask: no problem fecause the filter is near your nose. The problem appears when you put 2 small pipes in your nose. If the small (in diameter) pipe have 1 meter of longer you will not breath as well as if the cas where the pipe would have 10 cm.
If you breath in a box of 20 cm3 it is much more difficult than if you breath in a box of 1m3.

Ps: sorry for my very bad english, leave far of you and my island is a french one. Embarassed