106 gti rolling road result graph on p3

29th October 2011, 14:24

As some of you no I've got the 106 booked in tomorrow to get it rolling roaded.
Hoping to achieve at least 150bhp with these mods:

Newman phase 3 cams
BMC CDA
4-2-1 manifold
Straight through race pipe de catted
Twin back box
Predator standalone Ecu remapped for mods above.
Anything less will be disappointing.

What's your opinions guys?

Thanks

29th October 2011, 14:32

149bhp.

29th October 2011, 14:34

250+ br000

29th October 2011, 14:37

Can someone tell me what BHP my Integra Type R B18C engine will produce so I dont have to get a rolling road, its a standard JDM model.

29th October 2011, 14:38

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Originally Posted by db_sax

149bhp.

That would piss me off lol

29th October 2011, 14:38

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Originally Posted by furio-cam

250+ br000

Was hoping for 251 mate

29th October 2011, 14:40

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Originally Posted by ldavies

That would piss me off lol

be unlucky if you did! lol

29th October 2011, 15:00

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Originally Posted by furio-cam

250+ br000

COCK.

Hope you get what you want bud, get the graph up.

29th October 2011, 15:17

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Originally Posted by e8_pqck

COCK.

Hope you get what you want bud, get the graph up.

Lil cheers mate hope so.
Was waiting for someone to tell him that so I didn't have to tell him what I was thinking lol.

29th October 2011, 16:00

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Originally Posted by ldavies

Lil cheers mate hope so.
Was waiting for someone to tell him that so I didn't have to tell him what I was thinking lol.

check his progress thread, he's obviously in the higher 200+ bhp bracket

29th October 2011, 16:08

I reckon hese put the 250 + bhp meaning that's what is cars running when I was asking about mine lol.

29th October 2011, 16:10

You'll get between 140 and 150bhp.

If you put bodies on, you'll get over 150, probably 155 or so, then head work will take you over 160, maybe 165, then PH4's and forged high comps will take you over 170, 175bhp ish, at this point you've got a 1,587cc engine making 175bhp which is VERY highly tuned!

You've got LOTS more you can still do to your engine, don't be disappointed with the results! It still goes like stink!

Andy

29th October 2011, 16:14

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Originally Posted by luthor1

You'll get between 140 and 150bhp.

If you put bodies on, you'll get over 150, probably 155 or so, then head work will take you over 160, maybe 165, then PH4's and forged high comps will take you over 170, 175bhp ish, at this point you've got a 1,587cc engine making 175bhp which is VERY highly tuned!

You've got LOTS more you can still do to your engine, don't be disappointed with the results! It still goes like stink!

Andy

should easy get over 150.

I got 165 with ecu, Ph3, 3.5 bar FPR, cone filter, standard injectors, standard inlet, raceland mani and standard internals, straight through zorst.. etc.

29th October 2011, 16:16

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Originally Posted by e8_pqck

should get over 150.

I got 165 with ecu, Ph3, 3.5 bar FPR, cone filter, standard injectors, raceland mani and standard internals, straight through zorst.. etc.

yer depends on what dyno you go to.... where was it dyno same place willsy had it mapped with the ecu you had on the car?

29th October 2011, 16:16

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Originally Posted by ldavies

I reckon hese put the 250 + bhp meaning that's what is cars running when I was asking about mine lol.

no idea what this means.

29th October 2011, 16:21

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Originally Posted by AndySAXO

yer depends on what dyno you go to.... where was it dyno same place willsy had it mapped with the ecu you had on the car?

it was a different dyno, but the same place. It was a very expensive ecu and highly respected mapper so i expected good results.

I think Andy is selling himself short, he knows himself he will likely get over 150. At the end of the day they are just numbers and it is how it drives, but the dyno breeds expectation.

29th October 2011, 16:21

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Originally Posted by e8_pqck

no idea what this means.

Sorry mate was for the kid above who said 250bhp

29th October 2011, 16:25

yer well i know that place there dyno reads more than NMS dyno.

normally cammed vts are between 140 and 150, which is good that a 30 bhp gain which is good % gain for just few breather mods and cams.

have you had the car dyno anywhere else as i know willsy, can got about the same at that place but not as much when it was at NMS.

just because it an expensive ecu doesnt mean it better......

29th October 2011, 16:26

Heard a lot about different places giving more figures that what it really is producing but did a lot of research on the place that's doing it and they've got great feedback and a lot of people from other car forums have used them.
Maybe they've got good feedback cos there rollers are giving higher figures than what people expected who knows, guess its just one of them things lol but can't see why i wouldnt get 150bhp +

29th October 2011, 16:28

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Originally Posted by AndySAXO

yer well i know that place there dyno reads more than NMS dyno.

normally cammed vts are between 140 and 150, which is good that a 30 bhp gain which is good % gain for just few breather mods and cams.

have you had the car dyno anywhere else as i know willsy, can got about the same at that place but not as much when it was at NMS.

just because it an expensive ecu doesnt mean it better......

NMS?

like i said, it was a different dyno, willsy got it mapped on their old one which Richard said was a little more forgiving - but there newer one read lower for some reason.

Of course an expensive ECU is better, you get what you pay for. better map resolution, idle control, optional extra's etc.

29th October 2011, 16:31

i think it best if you want to find out what it got then got to a few see if there a difference.

dynos are really, only there for tuning a purposes so you can see if thing work or not ect.

but if it drives find then it all good. also a good chance to see the fueling ect on full throttle.

29th October 2011, 16:35

True, this will be the 1st car I've had rolling roaded so will be all new to me when I turn up tomorrow lol.

29th October 2011, 16:36

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Originally Posted by e8_pqck

NMS?

like i said, it was a different dyno, willsy got it mapped on their old one which Richard said was a little more forgiving - but there newer one read lower for some reason.

Of course an expensive ECU is better, you get what you pay for. better map resolution, idle control, optional extra's etc.

there no really reason for a dyno to read higher if it calibrated correctly. it all depends on how it calibrated and other factors.

not always. so your saying for me to get the best ECU is just find the most expensive one? it depends on the software they use on it, just because a company say this cost X amount dont mean it better than an other ecu which is cheaper. all depends on the mark up they have on that unit.

29th October 2011, 16:45

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Originally Posted by AndySAXO

there no really reason for a dyno to read higher if it calibrated correctly. it all depends on how it calibrated and other factors.

not always. so your saying for me to get the best ECU is just find the most expensive one? it depends on the software they use on it, just because a company say this cost X amount dont mean it better than an other ecu which is cheaper. all depends on the mark up they have on that unit.

no, im saying in the grand scheme of things, you get what you pay for. individually priced units are down to the buyer, but the technology, research and support is also points to consider.

motecs are more ecpensice than preds and are also better and i'd expect a better map, but is the price worthit? prob not, so not much point - but i'd still expect more.

29th October 2011, 16:51

car is sold and broken now. I have a KMS on the turbo AX, not the best, but it's good enough!

that will be dyno'd elsewhere - aye agreed, dyno is best to get a bit more out of it and see fueling etc.. i still like to see good figures though as it makes me feel better about the few hundred quid i spent.!

29th October 2011, 16:59

That's why I'm wanting at least 150 mate to make me feel better with all money I've spent lol.
Results will be up tomorrow evening.

29th October 2011, 17:15

mine
708,
330cc injectors
pred ecu
at power bodies

only made 130 till cams was dialled in on rollers, then only hit 151.5bhp

goes very well for it tho

29th October 2011, 17:16

be honest - anything less than 150 and you'll be dissapointed. I would be, i reckon you will get at least that though!

29th October 2011, 17:39

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Originally Posted by sexy_gt

mine
708,
330cc injectors
pred ecu
at power bodies

only made 130 till cams was dialled in on rollers, then only hit 151.5bhp

goes very well for it tho

151.5 seems a low figure to me mate.
My mate made 161.1 with same mods as you except for injectors.

29th October 2011, 17:40

And standard Ecu mapped as well.

29th October 2011, 18:47

this will be intresting to see hwat u get as andy used ur base mapp on my car wedsnesday

29th October 2011, 18:56

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Originally Posted by Tsaxovts

this will be intresting to see hwat u get as andy used ur base mapp on my car wedsnesday

I take it you do have same mods as me then if you've used my base map?

29th October 2011, 19:22

Yer on chipwizard dyno.

29th October 2011, 19:24

That was aimed at 161 bhp post.

29th October 2011, 19:24

Like I said depends where you go.

29th October 2011, 20:04

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Originally Posted by AndySAXO

Yer on chipwizard dyno.

Ye was on chip wizards rollers, how did you no mate?

29th October 2011, 20:25

It has been noticed that chipwizards rollers are constantly high figures.

That's absolutely fine, as long as you did the 'before' run on those rollers too!

Saying what power you have is pretty irrelevent IMHO, a dyno is there to show you the power you are making NOW after an alteration you've JUST MADE to the car in some way. If you drive away and come back tomorrow, you are then relying on calculations and physics to try and deduce a comparison to your previous figures.

You minimise those errors by using the same rollers, but nobody I know gets a 'before' dyno plot of their standard car showing it making 120bhp.

"I've got a good one and it makes 130bhp" - oh really? It makes 10% more power? ...and where exactly is the fuel coming from for this extra power? The throttle was 100% before, and the MAP sensor is readin 100kPA (atmosphere) before, so how does the car know to put in more petrol??

/rant mode off

29th October 2011, 20:28

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Originally Posted by ldavies

151.5 seems a low figure to me mate.
My mate made 161.1 with same mods as you except for injectors.

ive been in it and it does go well

29th October 2011, 20:35

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Originally Posted by Dean-VTR

ive been in it and it does go well

Without taking it the wrong way mate it will feel like it goes well cos you drive a vtr and not a 16v vts / gti and before anyone says there's not much in it there is and the amount of people that's driven mine and said it goes well and feels quicker than any other 16v I've driven, well let's just say I've lost count.
All I'm saying is with bodies on that producing 151 bhp is very low results.
Wasn't this the same car that the owner put up a thread after it had been rolling roaded saying the results were very poor, could swear I saw a thread on this ages ago.

30th October 2011, 17:04

Ok guys not too happy.
Had the car put on the dyno pack and had a few runs and the best result was 108bhp at the wheels.
Apparently the fuel mix is to rich at the bottom end of the rev range and too weak at the top end.
Just waiting for guy to email me the graph results and I will upload on here when he does to see what you guys think.
Not happy

30th October 2011, 17:20

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Originally Posted by luthor1

"I've got a good one and it makes 130bhp" - oh really? It makes 10% more power? ...and where exactly is the fuel coming from for this extra power? The throttle was 100% before, and the MAP sensor is readin 100kPA (atmosphere) before, so how does the car know to put in more petrol??

/rant mode off

dont make me post the rr graph of the silver beast andy

sportcat and cheapo ind kit 136.6 on same rollers same day my black bodied car made 151.

30th October 2011, 17:31

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Originally Posted by ldavies

Ok guys not too happy.
Had the car put on the dyno pack and had a few runs and the best result was 108bhp at the wheels.
Apparently the fuel mix is to rich at the bottom end of the rev range and too weak at the top end.
Just waiting for guy to email me the graph results and I will upload on here when he does to see what you guys think.
Not happy

your fueling graph will be interesting. im thinking of the same mods for my vts conversion

30th October 2011, 20:29

Ok guys heres the graph results.
Whats your oppinions

30th October 2011, 23:26

We can sort that fuelling out no problems Lee