fuel pump and coolant hoses... will they fit? PICS UP!!

23rd November 2011, 08:59

Right just planning my vtr conversion out on my 1.1 saxo, and just wondering if the coolant hoses on my 1.1 saxo are the same as vtr ones and if I need to change my 1.1 fuel pump to a vtr fuel pump? Cheers

23rd November 2011, 10:40

i'm pretty sure the hoses will be the same because the vtr has a small radiator aswell. and there is no need to change the fuel pump. i'm using the 1.1 pump on my 16v conversion

23rd November 2011, 12:21

Ahh right cheers for that mate

23rd November 2011, 12:37

Dunno about mk2, but mk1 1.1 pumps werent up to the task of supplying a 1.6.

23rd November 2011, 12:49

Ahhh I have mk1 engine but mk2 dials so we will see how things go

23rd November 2011, 13:16

mines was the same mate. mk1 underneath

23rd November 2011, 13:32

Ahh right so did you have to get a crossover engine conversion for you saxo?

23rd November 2011, 14:15

nope. single plug and no splicing

23rd November 2011, 15:15

So what reg is yours then? What reg was your engine out of? I'm being told that I need a crossover conversion for my w reg saxo?

23rd November 2011, 16:06

mine is w reg aswell. it was a single plug 1.1 spi engine i had originally. i have digital clocks aswell if that makes a difference. my 16v engine is maybe out of a 98 gti(not entirely sure about the year but its the earlier type with the screw on oil filter) and ecu and loom are from an s reg vts

EDIT - just looked at your progress thread and you have the same engine as i had. if i was you i would stick with single plug stuff

23rd November 2011, 17:18

So I could just buy a full conversion kit from a S reg or T reg mk1 vtr then and littrally just plug it all in and play? How do the dials work? They work normally or you need vtr 1s?

23rd November 2011, 17:41

i think so mate. mine was just plug and play and my dials work fine. oh and rather than vtr, maybe look at a rallye engine. that was my origional plan but the guy sold the engine to someone else so i just went 16v instead. and done it on the 1.1 mount

23rd November 2011, 19:49

Yer I thought about the rallye engine but there is non about

so you are still using the 1.1 dials then?

23rd November 2011, 20:19

yes i kept the same clocks. never changed anything inside the car. the only things i changed were the engine, loom, ecu, a few hoses and the front brakes. and the radiator but thats only because my old one was burst. i'm still using the 1.1 gearbox, shafts, suspension, rear drum brakes and engine mount. i even used the starter and alternator from my 1.1 engine

EDIT - i used the crank sensor from the 1.1 aswell

23rd November 2011, 22:13

This is pretty use full tbh mate I will put an vts box on the vtr lump and I was told my shafts will fit starter and that so hope to find a decent conversion with low ish mileges

23rd November 2011, 23:56

i have an ax gti box that needs a refurb that will eventually go on. i'm having fun with the 1.1 box just now. not too fussed the now about the lack of top speed. great acceleration from it. you should come by a decent engine no problem. there are rakes of vtr ones for sale. are you planning to rebuild it before it goes in? i got my 16v and just fired it in as it had a new cambelt on it. but the waterpump went within 200 miles. so look into maybe doing them. have you not thought about just putting the 16v in? if your going to all the hassle of a conversion you would probably be aswell just doing that. like i say, i done mine on the 1.1 mounts. i got my engine for £200 and the only money i have put into it was for the ecu, loom, throttle body, throttle cable, waterpump, 4 branch and lightened flywheel. so say an extra £150. labour was free. me and a few friends all the work on a friday night/saturday afternoon. 8 hours altogether. it helped that one of them is a citroen specialist

24th November 2011, 09:11

Ahh sounds real good mate and I want to declaire the engine to the insurance so I think 16v is too muich money also I could do the conversion in a day at work so labour isn't a problem for me either, and yer I'm going to re-build the lump and probs add a cam clean the head up 4 branch and that and then probs a re-map on it but I've got some more things to do before I do the re-map

24th November 2011, 10:32

mate i just had a quick look for you. i think you should maybe go for this if you can afford it

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/106-S2-Ral...item415f88746a

24th November 2011, 13:36

Owwwwwwww looks nice that does, you reckon a normal vtr unlocked ecu will work with that? Also need to see if it has a gearbox and stuff

24th November 2011, 14:06

The VTR ecu on that will run, but it will be total dogshite, the VTR rev limiter will kick in before the engine is at full power for starters.

24th November 2011, 15:02

So best to unlock the rallye ecu then, could that be done with it of the vehicle then? So this will defernately fit in my saxo then?

25th November 2011, 02:01

i dare say that the ecu will be unlocked as he is selling it as a conversion. and just use your 1.1 box. it will definately fit your car. my mates first car was a 106 with the same old style 1.1 engine as us and he stuck a rallye engine in

25th November 2011, 06:58

Emailed him and ecu is LOCKED so that would be another 50-60 quid to unlock it, when I've been offered vtr conversions with an unlocked ecu for around the 120 mark, would it be easier to. Get a vtr engine and cam it and do a bit of head work my self?

25th November 2011, 07:41

ah, thats not so good. had my hopes up for you there. i did see this on ebay aswell that would be perfect to go on a vtr bottom end...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cammed-S1-...item2eb97058a1

25th November 2011, 11:12

I have an unlocked Rallye ECU if youre interested?

25th November 2011, 11:14

If you cam a VTR youll need to consider a remap or something like a Dastek. As I said, the rev limit in the VTR ecu is so low that most cams will have more grunt at an rpm range higher than that.

25th November 2011, 11:25

the rallye ecu has the limiter set slightly higher aswell i'm sure?

26th November 2011, 08:42

Ooo that's interesting how much you want for your ecu? Also could I raise the rev limit on a vtr engine? Or will it self destruct?

26th November 2011, 09:53

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Originally Posted by billytalbott

Ooo that's interesting how much you want for your ecu? Also could I raise the rev limit on a vtr engine? Or will it self destruct?

pretty sure you could raise the rev limit with a remap. but why go to the bother when you could just get a rallye!! sorry mate i'm just trying to talk you into it haha. why go through a ton of money when you can just start off with the better option. saxo rallye ftw

26th November 2011, 13:10

i see whyat your saying mate i will so i will upload some pics later to see if you guys reckon my car will suite a rallye engine then, cheers

26th November 2011, 14:35

you need to have a look what loom you currently have. i had a w reg vtr which should have been a crossover but had a mk1 loom.
no one will be able to tell you exactly what you need without having a look

26th November 2011, 17:56

I've got some pics just need to up load them to photo bucket, before I upload them to sax-p what pics will I need to verify which conversion I need? Cheers

26th November 2011, 20:15

get a pic of the plug where the car loom joins the engine loom behind the passenger side light

27th November 2011, 11:47

got those pics yet?

27th November 2011, 11:51

I got quite a few pics for you lot to look over but I'm on my blueberry atm and at the gfs so I will be on my laptop after half 1 ish so they will be uploaded then

27th November 2011, 22:36

right then lads got the pics here:

under dash:

under bonnet:

so what you guys think then? cheers

28th November 2011, 08:55

just the plug behind the headlight was enough for me. go for single plug stuff and it should be plug and play. your car is the exact same as mine. you'll be looking for blacktop 90bhp vtr engines or rallye like i said

28th November 2011, 12:58

So that rallye engine you posted up there will defo fit? I will make an offer if so! Cheers

28th November 2011, 17:04

mk1 single plug stuff should work good

28th November 2011, 17:18

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Originally Posted by billytalbott

So that rallye engine you posted up there will defo fit? I will make an offer if so! Cheers

yes go for it and try to get the ecu from Gabbastard. good luck!

28th November 2011, 17:21

i have a mk1 blacktop loom and ecu for sale £35 posted also i have a mk1 blacktop engine needs head gasket doing tho and a few other parts like sensors and fuel rail £30 collected or arrange your own currier

28th November 2011, 18:23

Cheers sam but I'm set on having a rallye engine

it will be something different on sax-p, flat arch rallye

28th November 2011, 18:41

just sounds so much cooler imo

hence why i have my car as flatty gti

28th November 2011, 18:48

yer i will pm the bloke and see what he says about it