Vtr engine seized?

  1. Newbie Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 10
    #1
    Hi my first post on here.

    It all started a couple of weeks ago everytime i tuned left or went over a big bump the engine temp light and also oil light used to flick on and off, Then last Sunday above 3k revs they was a metal rattling coming from the front end what i thought could be the exhaust heat shield and the above lights stayed on permanently.

    All stayed the same till Wednesday when i was driving up the m1, i dropped off from 70mph down to 50mph through the roadworks and the rattling sound became permanent and i started to lose power then the engine stalled and wouldn't start back up.

    The aa came out and said he thought the engine could be seized, at present when you turn the key it sounds like a flat battery but all the electrics work and the orange enging light is also on.

    Sorry for the long story but i thought if anybody knows whats up it will be you guys, so has anybody got any ideas whats up?
  2. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2002 United Kingdom Posts: 8390
    #2
    so the oil light came on, and you kept driving it. Then drove it up the motorway at 70. With the oil light on.
  3. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2010 leeds Posts: 4389 MCS R53 S/C 16v furiooo
    #3
    you have fucked it mate, no oil in the car clearly !!
  4. Newbie Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 10
    #4
    I was told that it could be the engine earth strap with both lights flicking on and off, I was actually having the car checked over once id got to where i was going.
  5. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2002 United Kingdom Posts: 8390
    #5
    So is there oil in it?

    Take out the spark plugs, and try turning the engine over by hand by using a ratchet/socket on the cam pulley bolt.
  6. Established Member Joined: Jan 2011 Aylesbury Posts: 1868 Seat Leon Cupra tdi
    #6
  7. Newbie Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 10
    #7
    Just spots of oil showing on bottom of dipstick, oil was only changed 4 month ago so i wouldnt have thought it would use that much in a short space of time also driveway has no traces of oil on it.
  8. Established Member Joined: Sep 2007 Armadale, West Lothian Posts: 1230 flatty 16v sleeper and a regular vts
    #8
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by R8BUJ View Post
    Just spots of oil showing on bottom of dipstick, oil was only changed 4 month ago so i wouldnt have thought it would use that much in a short space of time also driveway has no traces of oil on it.
    and its not burning oil when its running?
  9. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2010 leeds Posts: 4389 MCS R53 S/C 16v furiooo
    #9
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by R8BUJ View Post
    Just spots of oil showing on bottom of dipstick, oil was only changed 4 month ago so i wouldnt have thought it would use that much in a short space of time also driveway has no traces of oil on it.


    sounds like the headgasket has gone to me.

    you have continued to drive it, and now its fucked.
  10. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2002 United Kingdom Posts: 8390
    #10
    I dont think engines need oil, its a ploy by oil companies.
  11. Newbie Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 10
    #11
    Odd times when the icv had been sticking they was white smoke coming out of the exhaust but never when it idled fine.half way too so dont think the car every over heated. The engine temp always used to sit just above
  12. Newbie Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 10
    #12
    Odd times when the icv had been sticking they was white smoke coming out of the exhaust but never when it idled fine. The engine temp always used to sit just above halfway too so dont think the car ever over heated.
  13. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2010 leeds Posts: 4389 MCS R53 S/C 16v furiooo
    #13
    sure white smoke is oil/water.

    head gaskets gone mate.
  14. Established Member Joined: Jan 2011 Aylesbury Posts: 1868 Seat Leon Cupra tdi
    #14
  15. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2010 alton hampshire Posts: 348 97 mk1 vtr 85 LR 90
    #15
    wow this made my day and tomorrow lol
  16. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2011 plymouth Posts: 2921 mk2 VTS
    #16
    i cant beleive what i just read op are you SRS
  17. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172
    #17
    i'll sum it up for you, its fucked
  18. Newbie Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 10
    #18
    How do I manually turn the engine over or try too?

    Thanks for replys everybody
  19. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Pontefract Posts: 4007 2010 E92 320i MSport
    #19
    Sounds like a dried up engine and the Cambelts snapped. That's why the starter motor is still able to go round. The rattling noise will have been the valves smacking the pistons. Luckily 2nd hand VTR engines are pretty cheap, sub £100.
  20. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2002 United Kingdom Posts: 8390
    #20
    Take off the upper timing belt cover to check the belts in one piece, take out spark plugs, put a socket on the bolt going into the cam, try to turn it.

    Tip: you might need an 80ft breaker bar.
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  21. Newbie Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 10
    #21
    Cheers josh and gab...

    It's looking like around the £250 mark for used engine and fitting which don't seem to bad.
  22. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2011 plymouth Posts: 2921 mk2 VTS
    #22
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by R8BUJ View Post
    Cheers josh and gab...

    It's looking like around the £250 mark for used engine and fitting which don't seem to bad.
    you can get a vtr engine on here for like £50
  23. Newbie Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 10
    #23
    I can't get onto the classified ads yet cause of the stupid rules..
  24. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2011 plymouth Posts: 2921 mk2 VTS
    #24
    buy membership its only a tenner
  25. Newbie Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 10
    #25
    Yeah I've just looked at that Sam, it's worth it if it's going to save me about £75 on a engine. How longs membership take to set up if I send payment by PayPal?
  26. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2011 plymouth Posts: 2921 mk2 VTS
    #26
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by R8BUJ View Post
    Yeah I've just looked at that Sam, it's worth it if it's going to save me about £75 on a engine. How longs membership take to set up if I send payment by PayPal?
    instant mate and it lasts a year its been the best £10 ive ever spent saved me so much money this year
  27. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #27
    tbh £250 to have another engine sourced and fitted is very reasonable id charge that allone to fit an engine
  28. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Pontefract Posts: 4007 2010 E92 320i MSport
    #28
    As cheffjizz just said, if they're going to supply and fit for £250, bite there hand off! Might as well put a 16v'er in there while your at it.
  29. Established Member Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 1385
    #29
    seems abit to cheap to be honest makes you wonder if they will even bother doing a proper job of it
  30. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182
    #30
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ChAdS View Post
    seems abit to cheap to be honest makes you wonder if they will even bother doing a proper job of it
    Define "proper job" then? Aslong as the engine isn't held in with cable ties most other issues can be sorted easily
  31. Newbie Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 10
    #31
    Just an update..
    Ive been out to the car to try and drain the fuel, i took the fuel lines off the fuel rail and turned the ignition on to try and pump fuel through but i noticed the timing belt cogs nudge a little bit, I put a litre of oil in that i had put everything back together and the engine fired up. It was fine at idle but the rattling was there from 1.5k revs, Ive now put the correct amount of oil in but after 2 mins running at idle the engine cut out and im back to square 1.

    could this just mean head trouble and not a totally screwed engine?
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  32. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Pontefract Posts: 4007 2010 E92 320i MSport
    #32
    It's fubar'd mate. Time to start again
  33. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2009 Costa Del Posts: 8010
    #33
    Fubar.

    If its seized, then its cheaper to replace if you know sweet FA about engines dude
  34. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172
    #34
    you can put oil in it,you can talk about it, hell you can even take it to bed with you and cuddle it, it isn't going to change the fact that its fucked.
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  35. Established Member Joined: Jan 2011 Aylesbury Posts: 1868 Seat Leon Cupra tdi
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mandyslover70 View Post
    you can put oil in it,you can talk about it, hell you can even take it to bed with you and cuddle it, it isn't going to change the fact that its fucked.
    Legend.
  36. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2003 United Kingdom (England) Posts: 7064
    #36
    Don't worry about the head - just get a whole new engine!
  37. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2008 The wrong carpark Posts: 5152 Xantia 1.9TD
    #37
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gabbastard View Post
    Tip: you might need an 80ft breaker bar.
    get an air gun on it

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mandyslover70 View Post
    you can put oil in it,you can talk about it, hell you can even take it to bed with you and cuddle it, it isn't going to change the fact that its fucked.
    *Standing ovation*
  38. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2004 Denny United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 666 Ford focus 2.0 Saxo VTS
    #38
    get another engine the rattling is cause youve fucked the rod bearings