406 2litre turbo conversion

2nd December 2011, 01:06

Searched for the answer to this but couldn't dint nothing.

Can a 406 2litre turbo lump be squeezed into a vtr?

I no it fits into a 205 and a GTI6 but never heard of it in a Saxo and there maybe a reason for that.lol

Can anyone shed a bit of light?????

Cheers

2nd December 2011, 01:16

Sorry, don't know the answer but after i watched the film taxi i looked for a fast 406 and came up with no luck. Never knew Peugeot made one with turbo & always thought Saxo's were quicker!

2nd December 2011, 01:20

The engines standard where shit but iv seen one in a 205 pushing 280break ATW with torque figures thru the roof...much quicker than my mates T16

2nd December 2011, 01:26

They will be gti-6 engines that have been turbocharged.
The 406 never came with a turbocharged 2.0.

You can get pretty much anything to fit with a lot of time, money and skill..

2nd December 2011, 01:28

No they were 406 engines....they come in the 406 SRI which is a 2L petrol turbo engine around the 98/99 era I think

2nd December 2011, 01:31

You mean 405?

I may be wrong but pretty sure you mean the 8v 2.0 turbo 405 engine?

2nd December 2011, 01:33

Nope 406 mate.Peugeot 406 SRI

2nd December 2011, 01:33

It seems you are right it was 406.. I thought it was to early for that model :/

Your better off turbo'ing the TU 16v

2nd December 2011, 01:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannygti

You mean 405?

I may be wrong but pretty sure you mean the 8v 2.0 turbo 405 engine?

Your right, there wa no 2.0 Turbo 406. it was a 405.

Its an 8v turbo and pretty pointless to be honest, theres one at work we put into a 206 but never seen one in a saxo. Turbo is on the back of them i bet it would be a right pain to make it fit, could be done but would be daft, 280bhp is easilly achieveable from turboing a 16v

2nd December 2011, 01:39

Really??cash wise the conversion could be MUCH cheaper also the engine was designed to be turbocharged which is a bonus(not to mention chances of being more reliable).no mapping issues, no compression issues.the standard lump alone would be an improvement

2nd December 2011, 01:40

I'm sorry mate but I disagree it is definitely a 406 SRI.

Why do you say it's pointless?

2nd December 2011, 01:44

Disagree with being more reliable. That engine is old hat.. The TU engine is no spring chicken but much better more efficient engine. Just use a decompression plate on the j4 engine.
The hassle of getting the engine to fit, align the diff, sort gearbox, linkages, driveshafts you could of fitted a much better newer engine for the same effort.

2nd December 2011, 01:45

Sorry yea i know which one your on about it is a 406 im being a ding the one we put in 206 was from a 406.

Have you seen it though? its a cluttery mess of an engine. I wouldnt say it would be anymore reliable than a turbo'd 16v. if not anything the TU would be better if you took a standard engine and built it once properlly from scratch.

It depends if you would do it or pay someone else dosent it on cost, we have built a few turbo 16v's and also put a gti-6 lump which uses similar mounts to the 8v turbo into a saxo.

I no if it was me id be keeping the TU and turboing that. (but i wouldnt turbo becase tahts for gays)

2nd December 2011, 01:50

Our boxes fit tho...(I will be using a different one but they do fit)and if you get the same engine out of the 809(I think it's the 809 anyway it's some crazy MPV) you no that's not gonna be ragged were as you can pretty much garentee every vtr,vts,gti has been fuckin fragged around every roundabout/countryroad in it's vicinity.lol.

2nd December 2011, 01:52

Isn't it an xu engine? In that case the ma gearbox won't fit. You would need a be1/3

2nd December 2011, 01:52

theres a yellow 106gti with a 2.0l gti-6 engine on here somewhere, it can be done...
anything can be done, theres a guy who has a 2.0litre turbo c20let engine in a 106gti on here

would be easier to just turbo a 16valve saxo engine though...

2nd December 2011, 01:53

I just hate the price tag on charging N/A's....I really cant justify it for fast road/scooby slaying days out. Were as the engine = £200/£300 your probably looking at that again for fitting and tbh I don't give a rats chocolate star what it looks like I just want it to go like shit off a snow plough.

2nd December 2011, 01:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tannerman

Our boxes fit tho...(I will be using a different one but they do fit)and if you get the same engine out of the 809(I think it's the 809 anyway it's some crazy MPV) you no that's not gonna be ragged were as you can pretty much garentee every vtr,vts,gti has been fuckin fragged around every roundabout/countryroad in it's vicinity.lol.

They use BE box's dont they so our box's arnt a straight fit?

But its not important about the life of the vts engine if your building it to a reliable 280bhp your going to be re-building it anyway so its 0 miles.

Also that turbo engine isnt really a good engine, its hard to get proper power from it.

if you wanted a 2.0 litre turbo engine then its gotta be gti-6 all the way. plus there alot more used so better availability of parts and its the best engine ever made

2nd December 2011, 01:55

Plus every guy iv met with a "bolt on" turbo kit has had nothing but issues.yet he has paid nearly £4000 for it.lol

2nd December 2011, 01:56

Tbh mate I agree I love the gti-6 engine too but charging it is for fools.lol.(no offence guys)

2nd December 2011, 01:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tannerman

I just hate the price tag on charging N/A's....I really cant justify it for fast road/scooby slaying days out. Were as the engine = £200/£300 your probably looking at that again for fitting and tbh I don't give a rats chocolate star what it looks like I just want it to go like shit off a snow plough.

Theres no way on this planet you will get that fitted for £300

we charge around the £1000 for a 16v conversion in a saxo (thats all in including parts like)

When we put the V6 into the 206 that took alot of time and that was relitivly simple.

you will need a custom exhaust manifold for it for a start so theres another 250ish

2nd December 2011, 01:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tannerman

Tbh mate I agree I love the gti-6 engine too but charging it is for fools.lol.(no offence guys)

lol what!? my boss has a 510bhp one, and its sweet. why is it for fools?

2nd December 2011, 02:00

Ye but your boss has ways and means of maintaining it cheaply plus everytime iv seen the "205 of love at shows it's done nothing but have it's bonnet up.lol.don't get me wrong mate what a fucking car it is it's a beast.but he owns one of the biggest pug modifiers in possibly Europe so it's easy for him

2nd December 2011, 02:01

you would need so many custom parts made up to fit the engine the costs would be ridiculous.

plus arent those engines only like 150bhp ?
could get close to that with breathing mods and cams etc on a J4

2nd December 2011, 02:01

And with manifolds and exhausts I have "ways and means"lol

2nd December 2011, 02:03

Which is what I'm asking mate what custom parts would be needed?

And the prices I quoted above would be for me personally.again "ways and means" plus pug1off can charge thru the roof.lol.

2nd December 2011, 02:04

Yes 150bhp but like you say with breathing mods and a boost upgrade you would probably see 180bhp and that's basic stuff

2nd December 2011, 02:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tannerman

Ye but your boss has ways and means of maintaining it cheaply plus everytime iv seen the "205 of love at shows it's done nothing but have it's bonnet up.lol.don't get me wrong mate what a fucking car it is it's a beast.but he owns one of the biggest pug modifiers in possibly Europe so it's easy for him

It always has the bonnet up because the magic is under there

not because its broke.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tannerman

And with manifolds and exhausts I have "ways and means"lol

Well id go for it then, im pretty sure no one has ever done it, just for the effort it would take you could have a gti-6 in there or a good TU, just dont see any advantages to putting it in at all. However i would of said that about the guy running a LET but i still love it. Got to admire new things.

2nd December 2011, 02:06

You seem to have it all sussed out anyway, get it done and let us know how you get on.

2nd December 2011, 02:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tannerman

Which is what I'm asking mate what custom parts would be needed?

And the prices I quoted above would be for me personally.again "ways and means" plus pug1off can charge thru the roof.lol.

custom parts would most likely be

Custom exhaust manifold + turbo hosing
Custom gear linkages
Custom engine mounts all round
Custom front cross member + slam panel
Custom drive shafts (or BE choice)
Custom pipe work
probly a different rad + fan
Possibly a bulkhead modification if the turbo is a bastard

There all guess's like i said ive never seen one in before.

Our price's arnt through the roof theres alot of places more expensive than we are id say

2nd December 2011, 02:11

Lol.I was just looking for a bit of an insight/anybody done it in a Saxo...I no it's decent in the 205's etc and I no for big money the obvious route would be a gti-6 charged (pug1offs 205 proves that)but I haven't got thousands to spend.lol.

2nd December 2011, 02:14

I said that wrong mate I was suppose to generalise. Pug1off is the better company as I have had ALOT of issues with some others.so if I sounded like I was bitching I appologise.

2nd December 2011, 02:17

Tbh that list is alot shorter than I was expecting.driveshafts defo won't be an issue nor will the mani.the rest......well nothings I
Possible.lol

2nd December 2011, 02:18

If your going to the effort of fitting it, which will requireyou to change pretty much everything that connects the engine an box to the car why not choose a better engine to start with??

Even c20let aren't mega money, rover 2.0turbo, Saab 2.0 turbo (would be very very good conversion), z20let, focus rs mk1 etc etc. There are loads out there that would require no more work to do

2nd December 2011, 02:18

Yea i no what you mean about the money thing and i see your point that the car is already turbo so your imagining big gains for little money on fuel and boost mapping. Not sure if you use other forums etc but the 206 we made will be kicking about if you search for it, ive got no idea of what power it is or spec list off the top of my head i just no its far from standard but i think hes under the 300bhp mark. (could be wrong)

2nd December 2011, 02:23

Tbh mate you don't really want more than 300 bhp.I drove my mates T16 and it's like a fighting with a raging bull on ice.lol.my ideal figures would be in the 260/280 and that would be this engines limits anyways (without going crazy on money)plus like you said it's not common/never been done.now there's probably a reason for that.lol.but it might just be that your all scared.lol.

2nd December 2011, 02:25

ROVER??????ROVER??????are you ok????ROVER.lol

There's no way I'm putting a rover lump anyway near my car.lol.

See your point tho I suppose I just thought Peugeot-Citroën easy beans but maybe a rb????gap power in a French FWD.lol

2nd December 2011, 02:26

Meant to day JAP power.lol

2nd December 2011, 02:27

Lol.meant to say say not day....cmon it's 0230.lol

2nd December 2011, 02:29

I'd never use rover, it was just an example.

If you go jap it will coat you, their parts aren't cheap.

2nd December 2011, 02:35

Lol.I no mate I was joking I used to own an r33 and I sold it because a new headlight cost me like £300 just for 1.that and fuel prices soared through the roof.thats why I love lil French cars so fucking cheap and if you gotta quick one it'll embarrass most JAP cars for fast road use (obviously complying with united kingdom highway laws)

2nd December 2011, 02:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannygti

If your going to the effort of fitting it, which will requireyou to change pretty much everything that connects the engine an box to the car why not choose a better engine to start with??

Even c20let aren't mega money, rover 2.0turbo, Saab 2.0 turbo (would be very very good conversion), z20let, focus rs mk1 etc etc. There are loads out there that would require no more work to do

this ^^

why go through all that effort for a shit engine?
if your going down the custom route and want the challenge then do this
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...ghlight=c20let

tbh though, unless you prove me wrong in a year or so time, i think you are one of many who post up saying they are doing something 'a bit out there' and then never do

2nd December 2011, 02:39

Well my pug makes 250@wheels so know all about embarrassing jap stuff/pretty much most things.. Lots of fun that's for sure

2nd December 2011, 02:44

Mate think what you want couldn't care less I'm asking advice on a forum full of Saxo enthusiasts as i said before iv seen the conversion on other cars and it has worked if I do do the conversion it's up to me.and if it's successfull I will post up for all to see if it's not then well.....I will probably be too embarrassed to post again but hay ho Christmas is nearly hear.

2nd December 2011, 02:45

Ye my TB'd 6 was like that even embarrassed a noble upto 120 before.he certainly wasn't impressed.lol

2nd December 2011, 02:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by LSOfreak

theres a yellow 106gti with a 2.0l gti-6 engine on here somewhere, it can be done...
anything can be done, theres a guy who has a 2.0litre turbo c20let engine in a 106gti on here

would be easier to just turbo a 16valve saxo engine though...

thats what i was going to do next year sometime, might have to look for a different engine now

2nd December 2011, 02:56

Nice link but tbh NUR's 4x4 306 cosworth looked less of a hassle than that.lol

2nd December 2011, 08:57

if youre going to the effort, put a better engine in. yes, sure its 150 right off the bat, but the time you'd spend fabricating everything you could go out, shove a 16v lump in and a few mods and have time to scratch your arse, not to mention it would be faster. the engine fits nicely into a 205 as they were (i think?) all XU engines anyway.

just doesnt make sense to go for an engine with an outdated design and shoehorn it in when you can do just as much effort to putting a gti-6 engine in (165ish bhp and16v) which will feel much faster and has a bigger following for modded parts!

its like putting a 1.9d engine into a saxo instead of say, a HDI lump. yes, its a whole 8 more hp than the 1.5 jobby, but it aint faster

2nd December 2011, 09:30

I don't see how the 6 engine will go in with less hassle tho?surely it would be the same turnover if not worse?

Is the 6 lump that easy to "shove in"?lol

And technically aren't all our engines outdated.lol.

2nd December 2011, 09:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tannerman

I don't see how the 6 engine will go in with less hassle tho?surely it would be the same turnover if not worse?

Is the 6 lump that easy to "shove in"?lol

And technically aren't all our engines outdated.lol.

think i worded it wrong. no, the effort you're going to for putting the inferior 2l engine in would be best spent on getting a gti6 engine in which is far superior.

edit: the TU range is STILL going btw

2nd December 2011, 09:56

The engine is rubbish. It doesnt make great power, has a crap turbo and is not a straight fit.

2nd December 2011, 10:01

there is 1 in a 306 in basingtoke that is pushing over 300bhp.lol.and a turbo is easily replaced. Y are they not a straight fit?

2nd December 2011, 10:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tannerman

there is 1 in a 306 in basingtoke that is pushing over 300bhp.lol.and a turbo is easily replaced. Y are they not a straight fit?

you'd get the same for FAR less with a 16v 2l jobby. plus being a 306 means it just drops (near enough??) straight in

2nd December 2011, 10:27

The 406 engine "near enough" drops straight in tho.

Well guys iv been speaking to a few tuners 1 has disregarded it completely but two have said it's an obvious conversion that for some reason just hasn't been done before. The only issues are that you need:
Custom mani
Turbo relocated
Custom driveshafts

And with pistons/conrods updated turbo intercooler and a map this engine can produce over 300bhp which would be for HALF THE PRICE of a turbo'd vts conversion.

Seems too good to be true surely????

I can feel the comebacks flying over already.lol

2nd December 2011, 11:06

You forgot custom engine mounts and management which won't be cheap

2nd December 2011, 11:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by danny-vts

thats what i was going to do next year sometime, might have to look for a different engine now

do it mate!! the man that did it in that link hasnt been on since so not alot of people even know about his

2nd December 2011, 11:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by LSOfreak

do it mate!! the man that did it in that link hasnt been on since so not alot of people even know about his

+1, would certainly be an interesting conversion!

2nd December 2011, 12:10

Wouldn't need management system in the early stages.which is one of the bonuses but yes mounts aswell.

Think it's a go hopefully buying a xantia with the same engine in on Sunday then start the conversion after Xmas.

Will be interesting if it works.lol

2nd December 2011, 12:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tannerman

The 406 engine "near enough" drops straight in tho.

Well guys iv been speaking to a few tuners 1 has disregarded it completely but two have said it's an obvious conversion that for some reason just hasn't been done before. The only issues are that you need:
Custom mani
Turbo relocated
Custom driveshafts

And with pistons/conrods updated turbo intercooler and a map this engine can produce over 300bhp which would be for HALF THE PRICE of a turbo'd vts conversion.

Seems too good to be true surely????

I can feel the comebacks flying over already.lol

just because someone got 300bhp does not make it a good engine. The fact is all these parts you mention basically replace all the engine. So whats the great selling point? I can take any engine and replace all the parts to make 300bhp. Its a weak engine, small turbo, internals known for going bang when cheaply tuned for big bhp. Look at how little people have spent on home built turbo saxos and the price is not that great.

2nd December 2011, 12:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tannerman

Y are they not a straight fit?

You need different engine mounts, different driveshafts, custom parts to get everything into the enginebay. Then out the box its no better than a mildly tuned vts. If it was a good engine people would be modifying it. You do not see it fitted commonly to 306, 309 and 205 models which is a good sign to take note of. Its not a secret engine that no-one knows about...

2nd December 2011, 12:54

The engines are actually known for holding power quite well.and the whole point in doin a conversion is to get better performance right?and in most cases you do replace standard parts....a gti6 engine u have to replace parts to get that sort of power...same with a vts/vtr or pretty much any engine for that matter.lol.all oem parts have there weakneses when being tuned wether it be the 406 engine or watever you always take a risk.

2nd December 2011, 12:59

The first question you asked was:

Quote:

Can a 406 2litre turbo lump be squeezed into a vtr?

You then go on to tell people who clearly know what they are talking about that they are wrong.

Spend a shit load fitting the engine
Replace a shit load of the parts
Realise it's not what you thought it was
Then sell the car for 1/5 of what to spent on it.

Then PM a mod to close your account on here

2nd December 2011, 13:03

Because aswell as talking to u guys I have spoken to some of the top tuners in the country.I do not understand ur logic really yes I asked the question and iv had the answers but they contradict with what some experts are saying that's all.lol

2nd December 2011, 13:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tannerman

Because aswell as talking to u guys I have spoken to some of the top tuners in the country.I do not understand ur logic really yes I asked the question and iv had the answers but they contradict with what some experts are saying that's all.lol

Well bugger off then and do what you like.

Top tuners in the country - Name them?

2nd December 2011, 13:10

Mate what is your problem have I mistakes this forum for something it's not?I assumed it was a place for people that owned saxo's to talk about there cars.but clearly you have a different idea.if you don't like what I'm saying then don't reply on my thread simples.

2nd December 2011, 13:11

I have not been abusive or out of order in what I have said atall so I'd appreciate it if you were the same

2nd December 2011, 13:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by devilsadvocate

Top tuners in the country - Name them?

This ^

I'd love to hear who said this was a good idea.

2nd December 2011, 14:04

Spoox, pug performance, longmans just to name a few.look fellas I ain't come on here to argue.if you wanna argue with me then PM me.but if you can shed any constructive comments on this conversion then that is much appreciated. Thanks

2nd December 2011, 14:17

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Originally Posted by Tannerman

Spoox, pug performance, longmans just to name a few.

Now there's a conversation I'd like to hear...

Anyway - back in 2009 this was a thread on the subject:
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=245732

I refer you to this particular post: http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...75&postcount=5

2008 was discussed here:
http://www.106rallyeforum.com/forum2...ad.php?t=50412

2nd December 2011, 14:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tannerman

Spoox, pug performance, longmans just to name a few.look fellas I ain't come on here to argue.if you wanna argue with me then PM me.but if you can shed any constructive comments on this conversion then that is much appreciated. Thanks

Longmans? They stopped doing work ages ago.
Pug performance - I like Colin alot but if you ring him on different days prices/opinions change.

Budgeting wise, you can go boost on tu engines for not alot of money and they are reliable and produce good power.

The issue with the engine conversion is you have a lot of hidden issues which crop up, like loom, driveshafts, mounts etc..

2nd December 2011, 14:28

If you want to see the work that goes into it, Ryan's car is the car to look at.

http://www.106rallyeforum.com/forum2...ht=mi16&page=7

2nd December 2011, 14:32

He went bust but he is still working on engines and he is bloody good at it.thanks for ur help I will read them tonight.and btw nice arse...

2nd December 2011, 17:06

It does have a nice wiggle to it don't it... Annyywayyy. It's a stupid idea. Big heavy underpowered engine in a small lightwait fwd car is awful. No more poverty than a cammed s but 20 times the work twice the weight and awful handling. Even if you got it all to fit that would be a few grand. Then tuning the turd to what you think it will make another few grand then another few thrown at the suspension to that I'd doesn't handle like a canal barge. Or spend 2k and have a turbo'd s

2nd December 2011, 17:19

To the OP, You've started a thread to ask for advice, You've challenged/disagreed with every bit of advice given. If you know so much, Maybe you should get on with it and show us how its done.

2nd December 2011, 18:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tannerman

I'm sorry mate but I disagree it is definitely a 406 SRI.

Why do you say it's pointless?

405 406 sri t both were the same apart from the mi16 t/16..

2nd December 2011, 18:42

You would be SO much better off boosting the tu lump. Your wasting your time doing the 406/5 conversion. I wouldn't plow my time/effort and money into a rubbish idea.

2nd December 2011, 18:44

mmmm agree 405 406 were a nightmere to wire up aswell..

2nd December 2011, 19:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icey_Furio

It's restrictive, the valve surface area is tiny, it's souless, it's heavy for its output...I can go on. Granted some DIY mods make a big difference, but thats true of most engines.

You can put a GTi-6 head on and see over 350bhp yes. But firstly, it's then a different engine really (morelike a T16) and secondly that would involve custom manifolds, uprated internals....you'd be spending major money. Then theres the gearbox...the only box man enough to take all the abuse is the ML5T and that's massive and weighs as much as a church (not to mention it's geared mainly for diesels). You could spend plenty on an uprated BE, but that'd be a tight fit in a 106/Saxo and they're still not all that great. It'd melt an MA box within 3 miles too!

You could spend less blowing a VTS lump and at least that way it'll bolt straight in and won't plough straight on in bends.

I'm guessing by your senstive reaction you own one of these engines? I'm not here to knock anyones pride and joy bud....I used to have an Activa running 207bhp (on the rollers). I've owned plenty of other PSA motors too, and IMO that engine is not their best.

And then theres the economy! Even in standard form it's truly horrific.

the last post on the thread ross posted says it all really

2nd December 2011, 19:24

I did not think about the weight of it.I sort of assumed that if a 205 can handle the weight of an mi16 than a Saxo should have no problems with the Sri.but assumptions are the mother of all fuck ups right.lol.

KI7NEY I was wondering if anybody had done it before seeing as noone has I feel that me challenging there opinions was ok and I haven't disagreed with every bit of info atall I have been advised alot of things on this forum and elsewhere also.and it seems that everybody I have spoken to that have done this conversion in other cars have said it's good....

So instead of people getting shitty with me how about helping me out?and if you can't then don't post on my thread.

Cheers to all the guys that have helped btw and like I said this conversion only interested me because it would be so cheap to do.sure I can go out and just charge mine but that is really fucking expensive and this is just a cheaper option for me with similar power gains.

Anyway decisions made I will investigate into the weight of the thing and cover my boundaries cheers wolf_gsxr for bringing that up got a zx9r myself so if the conversion fucks up atleast I still gotta crotch rocket to play on ;-)

2nd December 2011, 19:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by LSOfreak

the last post on the thread ross posted says it all really

I missed this I think can't see it?????

2nd December 2011, 19:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolf_gsxr

It does have a nice wiggle to it don't it... Annyywayyy. It's a stupid idea. Big heavy underpowered engine in a small lightwait fwd car is awful. No more poverty than a cammed s but 20 times the work twice the weight and awful handling. Even if you got it all to fit that would be a few grand. Then tuning the turd to what you think it will make another few grand then another few thrown at the suspension to that I'd doesn't handle like a canal barge. Or spend 2k and have a turbo'd s

I haven't found newer that will charge a TU for £2000.my closest quote was £5000 and that was before a map

2nd December 2011, 19:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tannerman

I haven't found newer that will charge a TU for £2000.my closest quote was £5000 and that was before a map

If you feel you have the mechanical skills to fit a completely new unit then DIY turbo you could do easily for example.

DIY turboing is alot cheaper than charging.

Danny has built all of his set up and hasnt had the thousands and thousands thrown at it like ross's for example. Ross has one of the highest specs around but it doesnt mean every car needs to also do the same.

A company like pug perfomance to turbo a car will cost a load of money, just like when they were doing GTI-6 conversions.

2nd December 2011, 19:45

I can get it fitted no problem it's the setting up I,e mapping and compression.

2nd December 2011, 19:46

Okay, I've had a 406 executive turbo for four years, fully loaded with all the toys and estate with 7 seat conversion to boot. It weighed 1650kg and still went rather well.
It may be only 150bhp but has the same torque as a 2.5 v6 mondeo at 178lbft

There seems to be very little knowledge of this engine and even less people that actually have any experience of it.
It is a good engine for the money, you can pick up an sri or executive for around 500 quid and if your handy with a welder it can be fitted in a saxo, someone on pug306.net has put an xud (almost same size) in a 106.
Right now I'm halfway to fitting my 8 valve turbo into my xsara vtr. As for tuning, no need to get custom manifolds for 200bhp, a decent system, decent intercooler (standard one is crap), VAG v6 fpr, 1 bar boost, decent plugs and fuel pump and your away!
My xsara had a TU engine and the 406 box is too big, so use a gti6 flywheel, dturbo clutch, box, modded dturbo shafts and you will be sorted.
You can fit anything in anything if you put your mind to it. Don't let people put you off. As for weight issues as long as you can restore the balance front and rear (add some low down ballast to the rear for example (sounds counter productive but its not) and bobs your uncle.

2nd December 2011, 19:53

Fucking happy days now that's some good information.thank you mate :-)

2nd December 2011, 20:07

No probs, I've been talking to some Dutch guys who run 300brake on standard bottom ends in their 205s.
With good management some bigger injectors, and a manifold from DP engineering which mounts the turbo away from the bulkhead turbo choice is no issue (the standard turbo is one off T25) but you can swap internals over for T28 compressor side for 250bhp easy enough. But that it for the standard exhaust manifold. Then you can put the 2.1 xud crank in and some C20let pistons for getting almost 2.2 and even more torque. Just don't write them off because its 8 valve. They're a good strong motor when treated right.

2nd December 2011, 20:10

Mate you've squared me away thank you

2nd December 2011, 20:28

You got loads of replies telling you its a bad idea and take no notice.

then you get one reply saying its good (which by the way has incorrecct information in it) and your sorted?

2nd December 2011, 20:36

No but he has explained what he has done and described to me thoroughly what is needed of course I will check what he has said but I thank him because he hasn't just gone "IT'S SHIT""STUPID IDEA""BUGGER OFF" lol cmon mate just because I'm new doesn't mean I'm some dick head.

Also I have thanked the other guys for there input I appreciate it including yours and pu1offs as I phoned them today.just nice when people actually try to help you.these forums can be far to bitchy sometimes but are awesome when people explain things.

I understand that it's probably annoying when you try to explain the same thing over and over but hay if you don't want too then don't post.lol.easy

Cheers anyway guys

2nd December 2011, 20:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by NismoSteve

Okay, I've had a 406 executive turbo for four years, fully loaded with all the toys and estate with 7 seat conversion to boot. It weighed 1650kg and still went rather well.
It may be only 150bhp but has the same torque as a 2.5 v6 mondeo at 178lbft

There seems to be very little knowledge of this engine and even less people that actually have any experience of it.
It is a good engine for the money, you can pick up an sri or executive for around 500 quid and if your handy with a welder it can be fitted in a saxo, someone on pug306.net has put an xud (almost same size) in a 106.
Right now I'm halfway to fitting my 8 valve turbo into my xsara vtr. As for tuning, no need to get custom manifolds for 200bhp, a decent system, decent intercooler (standard one is crap), VAG v6 fpr, 1 bar boost, decent plugs and fuel pump and your away!
My xsara had a TU engine and the 406 box is too big, so use a gti6 flywheel, dturbo clutch, box, modded dturbo shafts and you will be sorted.
You can fit anything in anything if you put your mind to it. Don't let people put you off. As for weight issues as long as you can restore the balance front and rear (add some low down ballast to the rear for example (sounds counter productive but its not) and bobs your uncle.

xsara also came from the factory with an xu engine though, so dropping the 2.0 8v turbo in is as easy as dropping it in a 306 or 205, saxo will be a whole heap of hassle tho (although it can be done as i've seen mi16 and gti-6 in 106's)

2nd December 2011, 20:42

Cheers Nev

2nd December 2011, 20:46

The issue you have aswell as the space is as said the loom (you are moaning about mapping for boost for example)

and the box set up (ignoring engine mounts)

The saxo runs the MA box and shafts, the XU runs BE. So you need to modify shafts or hubs. There is a new MA box which fits to the bellhousing of a XU but this also requires some modifications due to the clutch mechanism etc.

Its alot lot easyer to do things to 205/405/306 for example because they run BE boxes as standard. (most of them)

2nd December 2011, 20:50

Do you mind explaining the loom issue a bit further please?

The box is not an issue and nor are the drive shafts.....if that is what you mean??

2nd December 2011, 20:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tannerman

Do you mind explaining the loom issue a bit further please?

The box is not an issue and nor are the drive shafts.....if that is what you mean??

They use different ECU/loom.

Its not a simple unplug the vtr loom and plug in the 406 loom.

The box is an issue for quite a few people as they think its a bolt on job done trick. For example the size of the gti-6 box on the gti-6 conversion into the saxo/106 caused loss of turning circle initially.

2nd December 2011, 20:54

TBH the loom would be the one thing i wouldnt worry about if i was doing it myself.

What response did you get off us today by the way? as i dont answer the phone so it wont of been me you spoke to.

I arnt bitching i quite hope you do it to be honest as i havnt seen it just there will be quicker saxos about that have spent less money.

2nd December 2011, 21:00

Less money???really???I like the sound of that.

I can't remember the guys name but he was mega helpful.

Basically he said you guys just stick to what you no and although back in the day he would have been well up for trying it out, there is a risk because it just hasn't been done before. Mentioned the standard things really...relocation of the turbo, engine mounts and the box...

2nd December 2011, 21:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

They use different ECU/loom.

Its not a simple unplug the vtr loom and plug in the 406 loom.

The box is an issue for quite a few people as they think its a bolt on job done trick. For example the size of the gti-6 box on the gti-6 conversion into the saxo/106 caused loss of turning circle initially.

Tbh I no nothing about the box issue but the guy that will be fitting and completing the conversion has assured me that the box and the shafts arent an issue.

2nd December 2011, 21:17

Yea alot cheaper, my saxo is 146bhp and it cost me about £20 for the 16v engine, i put it in myself and ive paid about £50 for exhaust mani, centre pipe, rear box & air filter then £300 for some cams and a re-map. and it weighs 832kg.

id be pretty confident in saying it would be quicker in a straight line and round a track than a saxo with that turbo engine in it and mines a very mild spec!

2nd December 2011, 21:19

Again tho ur in the perfect place to pic up cheap upgrades I however am not that lucky...lol.for instance I want a supersprint system finding a seconhand one tho is proving difficult.lol.

2nd December 2011, 21:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tannerman

Tbh I no nothing about the box issue but the guy that will be fitting and completing the conversion has assured me that the box and the shafts arent an issue.

Theyre integral to the fitment of the engine, if he is aware of the BE issue then he will know how to sort it, else the price escelates.

2nd December 2011, 21:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tannerman

Again tho ur in the perfect place to pic up cheap upgrades I however am not that lucky...lol.for instance I want a supersprint system finding a seconhand one tho is proving difficult.lol.

Yea guess so but everything can be found for the right price you just got to look

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

Theyre integral to the fitment of the engine, if he is aware of the BE issue then he will know how to sort it, else the price escelates.

Yea im guessing he is aware seems as he isnt worried about it but if he does know then its not to bad to do really.

2nd December 2011, 21:31

Cheers mate.....

2nd December 2011, 21:33

Mate I have been searching the net since I brought the car.lol

2nd December 2011, 21:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom5190

Yea guess so but everything can be found for the right price you just got to look

Yea im guessing he is aware seems as he isnt worried about it but if he does know then its not to bad to do really.

If he knows he has to cut down the shafts, rebalance them and maybe even sort the hubs then yea, he is aware

2nd December 2011, 21:48

So when are you starting the conversion?

Make a thread now so I can subscribe and watch every step of the conversion.

2nd December 2011, 21:53

The conversion will start after Xmas providing everything runs smoothly once it's started I will start a build thread.bit pointless at the mo as not alot is happening and I'm only on an iPhone so can't post pics....n everybody loves pics.lol

2nd December 2011, 21:54

going ahead is it a friend or did you decide to use colin?

2nd December 2011, 21:59

My friend is gonna do it.he's a fucking mastermind when it comes to motors.Colin is good don't get me wrong he built my mates T16 but my buddy is charging me peanuts.

2nd December 2011, 22:02

Do you want to fit the Sri engine yourself? Or you paying some one to fit it for you?

You could get such a fast boosted Saxo j4 with 5 grand, if you carried out the work yourself. It's not hard. That would sort the car tbh. brakes,suspension j4 maybe with forged pistons or if tight a decompression plate, it would sort mani and turbo and Intercooler, all pipework, Ecu is not a problem, you would probs need to buy stand alone anyway fitting the 405 lump into the Saxo. Sorting compression isn't a problem at all. And a remap? Come on mate that's a drive up to a tuner piece of piss. If you don't know about turboing then read up on here, loads and loads have done it and will give as much solid advice as possible. Loads of threads to follow. Turboing isn't hard people, you just need to research!

I'm seriously advising you that your making a mistake if you fit that lump. If you like your Saxo, boost it. If you don't get a 306 or whatever those engines drop straight into. Not having a go just my advice mate. don't waste your time and hard earned money on something that's going to be shit to drive. Unless of course your doing it as a show car and don't care how it drives.

2nd December 2011, 22:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tannerman

My friend is gonna do it.he's a fucking mastermind when it comes to motors.Colin is good don't get me wrong he built my mates T16 but my buddy is charging me peanuts.

Your mate called mark by any chance?

2nd December 2011, 22:03

You no Marky do ya.lol.

2nd December 2011, 22:04

Yea was at the ring with him in the summer, he brings the car to us alot.

2nd December 2011, 22:08

Cheers mate.the only issue is I don't have £5000.I barely have a grand.lol.which is y it is so appealing to me.as I said i am gonna research it further and if it is a no no then I probably will just go down the TB route.but ATM it's looking promising.if it can't be done then my buddy will tell me and I will just sell the car I brought no probs. And mapping obviously all depends on what unit you get as certain places don't map certain brands.

2nd December 2011, 22:09

What to pug1off???the Miami blue 205 yea?

2nd December 2011, 22:10

What did I get wrong? I just skirted across the essentials. Wiring is quite easy, there are enough guides on 205 forums. Nobody really uses the gti6 box due to its size and weakness.
My own personal opinion would be to stick with a TU unit in a saxo, but I wasn't giving my opinion just answering the guys question. But if he wants to put the XU engine in let him. As has been said they are better suited to the larger pugs / citroens. But it would be a hoot in a saxo so why not.

2nd December 2011, 22:11

Aw no must be a different mark im on about the white 306 t16

2nd December 2011, 22:14

No mate my mate Marky from Andover has a Miami blue 205 T16 that Colin built.fuckin scary fast.lol.

2nd December 2011, 22:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tannerman

No mate my mate Marky from Andover has a Miami blue 205 T16 that Colin built.fuckin scary fast.lol.

Ah ok not heard of that one

2nd December 2011, 22:22

It was at Prescott hill climb at the last pugfest

2nd December 2011, 22:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tannerman

It was at Prescott hill climb at the last pugfest

Ah ok, i didnt make it this year i was back home for the summer

2nd December 2011, 22:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by NismoSteve

What did I get wrong? I just skirted across the essentials. Wiring is quite easy, there are enough guides on 205 forums. Nobody really uses the gti6 box due to its size and weakness.
My own personal opinion would be to stick with a TU unit in a saxo, but I wasn't giving my opinion just answering the guys question. But if he wants to put the XU engine in let him. As has been said they are better suited to the larger pugs / citroens. But it would be a hoot in a saxo so why not.

i was merely pointing out that although your xsara vtr came with a TU engine the xsara vts came with a XU10j4rs, so fitting the xu10j4te turbo engine is relatively simple whereas a saxo/106 only ever came with TU's so the conversion will be a load more grief (mainly box and shafts as has been said).

the 205 gti's and diesels are also xu's so quite easy to do and there are a fair few out there (i looked at a couple before buying my gti-6) and ropey ones can be had for under a grand

2nd December 2011, 23:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by nev6

i was merely pointing out that although your xsara vtr came with a TU engine the xsara vts came with a XU10j4rs, so fitting the xu10j4te turbo engine is relatively simple whereas a saxo/106 only ever came with TU's so the conversion will be a load more grief (mainly box and shafts as has been said).

the 205 gti's and diesels are also xu's so quite easy to do and there are a fair few out there (i looked at a couple before buying my gti-6) and ropey ones can be had for under a grand

Was looking for a 306 or 205 myself, I had the 406 but the Mrs passed her test which was just the excuse I wanted to chuck the engine into something smaller.
The whole conversion has cost less than £500 up to now inc the xsara. I got the Mrs a saxo but she didn't like it for some reason so she ended up with a 206 and I'm using the saxo while I finish the xsara, but to be quite honest I really like the saxo! It takes me back to my youth and is fun to thrash around.
Before my business went tits up I had got used to big power jap motors. That's how I ended up with the 406 (big family and no money) but things are back on the up and you can't just stop being a petrolhead! So I'm loving light weight and fun handling!
I'm just debating now wheather I should get a saxo VTS or go back to jap?

2nd December 2011, 23:16

If I had the money I'd go back to JAP but in the current climate there just way too expensive.

2nd December 2011, 23:27

depends what you want out of life and what you can afford, if big power is your thing then go jap, but if your into trackdaying and i see your local to cadwell, a well sorted vts will get round there just as fast as some jap stuff with a whole heap more power.

2nd December 2011, 23:50

LOL you only have about 1k to spend on making a quick saxo? so you want to fit a really heavy/large engine that is well known for being shit and hard to fit...for 1k?

if your mate is so handy with a welder then keep the vtr engine and turbo that, will be cheaper, still work and quicker then yout sri engine

2nd December 2011, 23:52

I was thinking of using a 2jz, in what is the question. Maybe something old school like a stag lol! Seemed to have lost the thread topic, sorry.

2nd December 2011, 23:59

Fuckin hell blackie your about a year too late.this debate is over.night night.lol.

3rd December 2011, 00:01

i dont see a locked thread? so its clearly not over...wont be over as quick as the build though..

good luck with your project

3rd December 2011, 00:06

Cheers mate it's much appreciated...

3rd December 2011, 01:32

jesus £1k? (im not late either)
for that tiny amount, you mayaswell just get a 16v saxo engine, throw in some ph3 cams, and remap it. Would see about 150bhp and you would be pretty certain not to run into any problems. I can see you going way past your 1k budget tbh fitting that 406 engine

3rd December 2011, 08:38

I worked out by the time the conversion takes place(feb time) I will have enough money to do what I want providing it all goes to plan.the only reason I said I had a grand is because that is what I have at the moment, I was basically trying to get over the fact that I do not have £5000+ to turbo the TU. And this conversion works out to be a whole lot cheaper with roughly the same power gains. I do understand the £1000 (inless you no someone that no's someone.lol.) is not alotta money in the modding world like I said I was just trying to get the point over that I'm a cheap skate with a shit paid job.lol

3rd December 2011, 10:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tannerman

The engines are actually known for holding power quite well.and the whole point in doin a conversion is to get better performance right?and in most cases you do replace standard parts....a gti6 engine u have to replace parts to get that sort of power...same with a vts/vtr or pretty much any engine for that matter.lol.all oem parts have there weakneses when being tuned wether it be the 406 engine or watever you always take a risk.

out the box it makes rubbish power. Its a lot of work to start off with no real gain. I cannot see the standard gearbox ratios being great either. The engine itself is not going to be massively more heavy than the tu 16v but the gearbox is a good 10-15kg heavier.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NismoSteve

No probs, I've been talking to some Dutch guys who run 300brake on standard bottom ends in their 205s.
With good management some bigger injectors, and a manifold from DP engineering which mounts the turbo away from the bulkhead turbo choice is no issue (the standard turbo is one off T25) but you can swap internals over for T28 compressor side for 250bhp easy enough. But that it for the standard exhaust manifold. Then you can put the 2.1 xud crank in and some C20let pistons for getting almost 2.2 and even more torque. Just don't write them off because its 8 valve. They're a good strong motor when treated right.

Once you start buying expensive manifolds, turbo parts, aftermarket ecu's etc then you have to ask why you start with this low spec engine in the first place. That adds thousands to the cost. I'd rather find a better starting point to make getting the same power easier. Why limit yourself to 8v and a low revving engine. If you are going to buy the these mods then start with them to broaden your options. Theres more interesting engines in the PSA range. How about looking at a hybrid such as the 2.2 petrol bottom end, with something like a gti-6 head, DP turbo manifold and a second hand turbo from another model (raid the VAG boys parts as they fit bigger turbos to their 1.8T)

A gti-6 with cams hits 200bhp out the box so realistically the hassle of this engine is only worth it if you are going for serious power, but it simply does not sell itself as suitable for this task. Heck i'd rather get a VAG 1.8 turbo. Far simpler to modify and just the same complications for fitment.

You could buy a T16 engine; fit that and get 300bhp cheaper than the 8v turbo in the end.

Just because you have not got the money now should not justify being cheap. Save up and do a proper job with a proper engine.

3rd December 2011, 10:11

I was just searching for vtr turbo kits on this forum and there's guys that have built them with results around the 250 bhp mark and they have only spent £2000.....how is this?is it just finding parts from different sources I.e eBay?insted of buying a whole kit like the ones on dp?.and that £2000 was running aswell?I don't get how it is so cheap

3rd December 2011, 10:19

My whole point of putting this engine in the xsara was that I can have 200 brake for next to no money. Can you get a gti6 engine, then cam it and get it set up for 200bhp for less than £500
I agree that serious power from the 8 valve is expensive. But bang for buck its cheap as chips.

3rd December 2011, 10:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by NismoSteve

My whole point of putting this engine in the xsara was that I can have 200 brake for next to no money. Can you get a gti6 engine, then cam it and get it set up for 200bhp for less than £500
I agree that serious power from the 8 valve is expensive. But bang for buck its cheap as chips.

It fits straight in the xsara so its a cheap 200bhp - beyond that though....

You will have to spend more with a saxo especially if he has to factor paying someone to do the work...

3rd December 2011, 10:27

This is of course is true. I guess getting somone else to do the work doubles any costs.

3rd December 2011, 12:18

After reading through the thread, it seems you are after bang for buck, but feel a turbo kit is massively overpriced. Home brew conversions can be had cheaply enough:

Adapted standard mani £50-100 odd? Cheaper if your mate who was going to fit the engine is handy. If not eBay special mani can be had or £200
Custom downpipe- I couldnt say but around £100?
Predator ecu-£500
Scrappy spec map sensor £10?
Uprated objectors (Megane 225 or something) £200 odd?
Old t25 or something can be had for £50 or so
Ebay intercooler kit and pipe work £150
Dump valve, £50 odd?
Decomp plate £200 ish?

I confess I'm no expert and I'm not entirely sure on that pricing but there are plenty on here that have done it. Look at Blackies car, 218bhp on just a decomp plate and its been fine apart from a cv joint going iirc.

At the end of the day its all about enjoyment, id rather have a blown 1.6 than a ahsmatic old 2.0 inducing massive understeer. Your choice mate but my advice is look around, pm people, it can be done for less than you think.

3rd December 2011, 12:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by wicked-vtr

After reading through the thread, it seems you are after bang for buck, but feel a turbo kit is massively overpriced. Home brew conversions can be had cheaply enough:

Adapted standard mani £50-100 odd? Cheaper if your mate who was going to fit the engine is handy. If not eBay special mani can be had or £200
Custom downpipe- I couldnt say but around £100?
Predator ecu-£500
Scrappy spec map sensor £10?
Uprated objectors (Megane 225 or something) £200 odd?
Old t25 or something can be had for £50 or so
Ebay intercooler kit and pipe work £150
Dump valve, £50 odd?
Decomp plate £200 ish?

I confess I'm no expert and I'm not entirely sure on that pricing but there are plenty on here that have done it. Look at Blackies car, 218bhp on just a decomp plate and its been fine apart from a cv joint going iirc.

At the end of the day its all about enjoyment, id rather have a blown 1.6 than a ahsmatic old 2.0 inducing massive understeer. Your choice mate but my advice is look around, pm people, it can be done for less than you think.

Gotta love them megane Objectors

haha

Nah this is true really if the money is thing your basing this around then it will do you well to look around at tomse of the home bre turbos on here. personally i wouldnt do it but like i said if money is the main factor then its going to be a good way to go

3rd December 2011, 12:39

See I would be interested in the above. I would still need aftermarket management tho wouldn't I?I only ask because some guys have left it off of there kit list.and would I need to uprate internals or are they safe upto say 250bhp?same with the standard box what sort of power is that safe upto? Iv pretty much priced up all the stuff on a list elswere on the site...(think it was by Ross???) and I'm getting in and around £1200 (minus management and pistons) does this seem realistic???seems extremely cheap

3rd December 2011, 13:05

The predator on my list is a standalone managment system capable of running boost. It costs around 500 and is available through the datashift section of the forum. Its plug and play on a 16v but csn be made to work on a 8v.

250 will be really pushing it on std internals and box, 180 is considered safe on a double headgasket, but blackie is running 220 on a decomp plate. Iirc 300 is about the max std rods can take with forged pistons, but the box will shit itself.

A limited slip diff would be a good investment but forgies and diffs are moving away from the realms of a poverty spec build.

How much power can a std box take? how long is a piece of string? Id say 200 in a standard ma box would be ok if you drive with simpathy, wheelspin and doghnutting, full throttle starts ect is really what does them in.

Edit: just for your information a diff'd ma box should be good for 250-280 iirc but if your goimg mental-300+ bhp a be box conversion is on the cards. But then youve come full circle and have the same issues as you do when fitting the 2.0. A kit is available but is around £1000 not including the box

Forgort to add youll need a paddle clutch on that list too

3rd December 2011, 13:13

^^im running 250@wheels on standard rods and pistons

3rd December 2011, 13:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannygti

^^im running 250@wheels on standard rods and pistons

Jeez fair play, is that on a Decomp plate? I would have thought that power it would have shit itself.

I don't confess to know much on this subject, im just trying to give the guy somewhere to start

3rd December 2011, 13:25

Yes using a Decomp plate. The turbo isn't working hard as it's only needing 13psi so everything is still nice and cool. I don't think it would last an age at this power though

3rd December 2011, 18:56

dannys is a good exmaple of what you can do with a 16v on a budget, mine is a fair example of what you can do with 8v on a budget

3rd December 2011, 19:00

And I'm a perfect example of constantly changing your mind

I ran the first year on standard rods with forged pistons - was happy as Larry

decomp plate is fine if you manage the temps well as these guys have done. Standard pistons don't mind power they just hate heat!

3rd December 2011, 19:01

Tbh I was looking at urs and that's what's beginning to sway me.lol.honestly didn't no it could be done that cheap.looking at parts on eBay the only issue for me would be making sure I get EVERYTHING!

3rd December 2011, 19:02

Decomp plate??is that like an uprated headgasket?

3rd December 2011, 19:02

That's the way I would go with a saxo.

3rd December 2011, 19:08

Well a already have

T25 (would that be ok?noticed that most use T28)
Intercooler
Fuel pump

That's a start.lol.just have to dig them out of the attic.lol

3rd December 2011, 19:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackie_2k5

mine is a fair example of what you can do with 8v on a budget

same as mine

3rd December 2011, 19:17

I would stick with the 8v if I was going to do it...and you guys didn't buy a kit?just put together all the relative parts?

3rd December 2011, 19:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tannerman

Tbh I was looking at urs and that's what's beginning to sway me.lol.honestly didn't no it could be done that cheap.looking at parts on eBay the only issue for me would be making sure I get EVERYTHING!

there's alot of cars on here to good specs that havent cost a fortune, thats part of the reason forums are GOLD... you get to learn alot and see what IS achievable with a little knowledge and money.

3rd December 2011, 19:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tannerman

I would stick with the 8v if I was going to do it...and you guys didn't buy a kit?just put together all the relative parts?

stevo1600 has a project that was done recently of an 8v turbo that was built up from parts,

but yes there are LOTS of ppl whove just built up form other stuff/cars

end of the day most modern cars are built/specc'd by robbing parts form other cars, thats how things get better and better

just got to learn where to use that to your own advantage

3rd December 2011, 19:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackie_2k5

there's alot of cars on here to good specs that havent cost a fortune, thats part of the reason forums are GOLD... you get to learn alot and see what IS achievable with a little knowledge and money.

there is now, back in 2002 when i did it everyone said it couldnt be done

3rd December 2011, 19:40

Well I hate to admit it but black I think ur right...

As I was saying the T25 will that be enough for upto 250bhp?

I understand that it will be a mission but is there any chance you could gimme a kit list..don't need prices just any idea.

3rd December 2011, 19:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by tweeqd

there is now, back in 2002 when i did it everyone said it couldnt be done

also part and parcel of forum life tbh, for every 25 optimist's...there's 75 pessimist's(sp)...dont see why so many had issues with yours htough..not that hard to imagine

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tannerman

Well I hate to admit it but black I think ur right...

As I was saying the T25 will that be enough for upto 250bhp?

I understand that it will be a mission but is there any chance you could gimme a kit list..don't need prices just any idea.

nahh...im pushing my luck on a a t25 at 218bhp lol (upgrade is next on my list)

you dont want something so small, it will be stressing the turbo out and heating stuff up

3rd December 2011, 19:48

A 200sx s14 T28 will be up to the job. Plenty about, quite cheap too.

3rd December 2011, 19:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by NismoSteve

A 200sx s14 T28 will be up to the job. Plenty about, quite cheap too.

thats my next buy

currently running an s13 t25

3rd December 2011, 19:50

andrew when my mate said on the rallye reg that he knew of a turbo ax in 2003 the all acted like hed pissed on there kids at christmas
noone beleived it had been done and almost banned him for talking bulshit, hence the suprise when the car turned up at FCS in 2004

3rd December 2011, 19:51

You can get a gt25 capable of 300bhp. That would be the ultimate road spec turbo

3rd December 2011, 19:52

Think I've still got a couple floating round the shed somewhere.

3rd December 2011, 19:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by tweeqd

andrew when my mate said on the rallye reg that he knew of a turbo ax in 2003 the all acted like hed pissed on there kids at christmas
noone beleived it had been done and almost banned him for talking bulshit, hence the suprise when the car turned up at FCS in 2004

back in 03 people were still amazed when you could get 17s on a saxo lol

3rd December 2011, 19:54

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Originally Posted by tweeqd

andrew when my mate said on the rallye reg that he knew of a turbo ax in 2003 the all acted like hed pissed on there kids at christmas
noone beleived it had been done and almost banned him for talking bulshit, hence the suprise when the car turned up at FCS in 2004

i bet

still rahter surpised they didnt take off that well tbh, there hasnt been THAT many axT's that ive seen, think i know of about 6 in this country..

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Originally Posted by dannygti

You can get a gt25 capable of 300bhp. That would be the ultimate road spec turbo

i was looking at the specs on garrett site the other week.. DROOLL

3rd December 2011, 19:55

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Originally Posted by Ryan

back in 03 people were still amazed when you could get 17s on a saxo lol

that still amazes me now ryan...the stupidity of some ppl is astounding tbh!

IMO they dont even look right on 16's, theres a gti on 16" speedlines that comes out on a sun, cheery red on white..i shudder when i see it, if they were 15s it owuld look mint

3rd December 2011, 19:59

back in 2003 saxos were still fairly new so noone wanted to fuck about with them too much, plus parts were mega money, a secong hand 16v lump was over £1k

i know of 7 ax turbos, 2 of them are no more, one is coming to me to be made road worthy and 2 of them i have built lol

noone puts the same money in to an ax as they do a saxo/106 as there too old

i think when i did my ax, bucky had done a saxo and prism had done a 106 and that was it

3rd December 2011, 20:00

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Originally Posted by blackie_2k5

that still amazes me now ryan...the stupidity of some ppl is astounding tbh!

IMO they dont even look right on 16's, theres a gti on 16" speedlines that comes out on a sun, cheery red on white..i shudder when i see it, if they were 15s it owuld look mint

The reason saxos dont look right on big wheels is because of the arch profile. When the days of big kits were rife small wheels wouldnt fill the arches, and thus look shit.

Remember the tarmac spec saxo was on 17s iirc.

3rd December 2011, 20:04

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Originally Posted by Ryan

The reason saxos dont look right on big wheels is because of the arch profile. When the days of big kits were rife small wheels wouldnt fill the arches, and thus look shit.

Remember the tarmac spec saxo was on 17s iirc.

in these cases yes..im talking majority of saxo owners..maccy d style

3rd December 2011, 20:06

I'm seriously considering chucking the xsaras vtr lump into the saxo and doing a turbo conversion now. Might sell the xsara then?

3rd December 2011, 20:09

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Originally Posted by NismoSteve

I'm seriously considering chucking the xsaras vtr lump into the saxo and doing a turbo conversion now. Might sell the xsara then?

Xsara lump is a very tight fit, espec if you want to turbo it.

The ones I saw (gti-6) in the 106s down at pug P had to have non OE headlights for example as the standards the rear sections were too big lol.

The engine was also tilted at a fair angle due to the sump and had big wheels.

3rd December 2011, 20:11

I meant the 1600 TU VTR lump I took out of it,