Cleaned the throttle body...

1. BenM508 Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2011 Grantham/Lincolnshire Posts: 297 2002 Citroen Saxo Desire 1.1

   #1 20th December 2011, 17:12

   Hi guys, as some of you know I have had problems with my car's idling lately, so I took the throttle body to bits and cleaned it up, it was discusting, no wonder it wouldnt idle properly, but my question is: "How did all that crap get there?"
   
   So heres the pics I took of the Idle Control Valve before and after cleaning:
   
   Before:
   
   
   By benm508 at 2011-12-20
   
   After:
   
   
   By benm508 at 2011-12-20
   
   There was much more of that black gunge in the tube that the Idle Control Valve goes in, so i reckon it was getting stuck, as that stuff was soooo sticky
   
   But yeah, how did it all get there?
   
   Thanks
   Ben
2. devilsadvocate Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2006 Maidstone Posts: 8210 Golf TDI

   #2 20th December 2011, 17:34

   What kind of air filter do you have?
3. BenM508 Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2011 Grantham/Lincolnshire Posts: 297 2002 Citroen Saxo Desire 1.1

   #3 20th December 2011, 17:40

   The circular one, im not sure, like this:
   
   http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/s...egoryId_165722
4. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

   #4 20th December 2011, 17:49

   So standard air filter.
   
   There's an oil breather pipe that feed from the head of the engine back into the inlet, just upstream of the ICV. No idea why they do this, might be emissions or maybe as a way of lubricating the icv (needs a bit of lub as it's a tight fit for the plunger - so prolongs the ICV life).
   
   Anyway over time it cloggs into the gunk you found.
5. BenM508 Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2011 Grantham/Lincolnshire Posts: 297 2002 Citroen Saxo Desire 1.1

   #5 20th December 2011, 18:05

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Barry123 So standard air filter. There's an oil breather pipe that feed from the head of the engine back into the inlet, just upstream of the ICV. No idea why they do this, might be emissions or maybe as a way of lubricating the icv (needs a bit of lub as it's a tight fit for the plunger - so prolongs the ICV life). Anyway over time it cloggs into the gunk you found.

   Ah right, I understand, I don't know why the put the breather pipe there, although the connector on the airbox was pretty gunked up so oil has obviously been going through there on a regular basis; gave everything a bit of a wipe down and clean, and it all looks better now, starts much quicker than before and isnt lumpy anymore
6. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

   #6 20th December 2011, 18:15

   Yeah it's emissions, I always remove them, catch tank or breather filter but flyers make a mess of bay,
7. BenM508 Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2011 Grantham/Lincolnshire Posts: 297 2002 Citroen Saxo Desire 1.1

   #7 20th December 2011, 18:33

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by blackie_2k5 Yeah it's emissions, I always remove them, catch tank or breather filter but flyers make a mess of bay,

   Id be prepared to fit something like that to save all those components that suffer lol, how do you fit them? Is there a guide? And what effect would it have on the emissions?
   
   (Sorry for all the questions)
   
   Thanks
   Ben
8. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

   #8 20th December 2011, 18:35

   I just did this...
   
   (blue breather)
   
   
   lazy approach but does the job.
9. joeturnerrfx Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2011 Lancs Posts: 130

   #9 20th December 2011, 18:38

   If you put a breather on will it keep the em missions where they are ?
10. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

    #10 20th December 2011, 18:39

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by joeturnerrfx If you put a breather on will it keep the em missions where they are ?

    ??????
11. BenM508 Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2011 Grantham/Lincolnshire Posts: 297 2002 Citroen Saxo Desire 1.1

    #11 20th December 2011, 18:42

    Yeah that looks alright, but what happens to the emissions?
12. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

    #12 20th December 2011, 18:52

    Your emissions will kill at least three new-borns a week.
    Well you're technically venting oil vapour into the atmosphere which is a no no but it'll never fail an MOT. Mine has been through two MOTs with that setup on and it's been fine.
13. Carlvtr88 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2009 Birmingham Posts: 5801 1.1 106 XN Time, MK2 VTR 01. Ford Focus ST3 CP320

    #13 20th December 2011, 19:04

    Am i the only one that let a slight giggle out.
14. BenM508 Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2011 Grantham/Lincolnshire Posts: 297 2002 Citroen Saxo Desire 1.1

    #14 20th December 2011, 19:21

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Carlvtr88 Am i the only one that let a slight giggle out.

    I did giggle at it too don't worry :L
15. gtipower Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 212

    #15 20th December 2011, 22:19

    I had same problem mate seemed to work for few days but playing up again now!will remove see if some more crap has entered it again.
16. user_39821 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2009 Uckfield, East Sussex Posts: 3362 Citroen saxo 1.4 furio

    #16 20th December 2011, 23:08

    That probably means that all the previous dirt has overworked the icv and killed it. when clean it lowered the stress on it so it flickered back into life, only to die shortly after. get a new one
17. user_7076 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2005 Milton Keynes Posts: 8504 Audi A1 S-Line, Mazda MX5 Kuro, Renault Clio 1.2,

    #17 20th December 2011, 23:10

    Looks like someones been using a crapper filter on it in the past (or none :/).
18. BenM508 Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2011 Grantham/Lincolnshire Posts: 297 2002 Citroen Saxo Desire 1.1

    #18 21st December 2011, 01:35

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SNewham Looks like someones been using a crapper filter on it in the past (or none :/).

    Yeah it was pretty crapped up, hopefully shouldnt need to do anything else to it, although a new idle control valve is on the way to me, i just needed the car to keep working til then, so cleaned the whole thing, we will see what the next couple of days bring...
19. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #19 22nd December 2011, 16:29

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SNewham Looks like someones been using a crapper filter on it in the past (or none :/).

    the breather is after the filter, so the the type of filter wouldnt make any differnce? correct me if im wrong however
20. user_21226 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 wirral Posts: 6348 Icelandic vtr turbo

    #20 22nd December 2011, 16:44

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jeffchiz the breather is after the filter, so the the type of filter wouldnt make any differnce? correct me if im wrong however

    no your right the other dude doesn't know what he's on about
21. user_39821 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2009 Uckfield, East Sussex Posts: 3362 Citroen saxo 1.4 furio

    #21 22nd December 2011, 20:38

    I think he was suggesting the main air filter being crap and allowing dirt to come through and covering the icv
22. BenM508 Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2011 Grantham/Lincolnshire Posts: 297 2002 Citroen Saxo Desire 1.1

    #22 23rd December 2011, 00:51

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Xplodee That was dying for a clean.

    Your telling me! As soon as I took a proper look at it, I was like, no wonder it didnt work! Ive got a new one to put in now, think I'll wait to put it in, as the one I cleaned is working alright now, still feels like shes misfiring a little bit when warm though :/