Vtr engine query! Must be a 1.4!!

20th December 2011, 18:57

Right done some more looking into it and my engine definitely seems to be a vtr engine but...its running what looks like a furio ecu and inlet manifold. Would this both restrict performance and also likely to mean it would do pretty poor mpg?

Any help would be appreciated.

20th December 2011, 19:05

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Originally Posted by Simon0014

Right done some more looking into it and my engine definitely seems to be a vtr engine but...its running what looks like a furio ecu and inlet manifold. Would this both restrict performance and also likely to mean it would do pretty poor mpg?

Any help would be appreciated.

Do you have a picture mate ? maybe restrict performance... Im not 100 % sure about MPG ?

So basically somones done a transplant but only the engine etc ?

20th December 2011, 19:53

Edited first post with a picture. That is what it would seem to be mate.

20th December 2011, 20:11

hmm yeah well i would imagine that parts off a lower spec would hinder performance somewhat. Maybe someone can confirm that.

Is your rocker cover gasket pissing oil ?

20th December 2011, 20:17

It was yeah but I cleaned it up and put a new gasket on its all good now. There was a load of oil on the block but most of it has burnt off now lol.

20th December 2011, 20:29

magnet on the block if it sticks its iron if it dont its alloy *i think its that way*

20th December 2011, 22:47

If its a vtr block it will stick and if its a 1.4 it wont?

This whole diagnostics business is a right faf!!

30th December 2011, 23:29

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Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush

magnet on the block if it sticks its iron if it dont its alloy *i think its that way*

That is the correct way around.

30th December 2011, 23:32

Alluminium is not magnetic where as the iron block should be

30th December 2011, 23:44

what makes you think its a vtr engine ?
if someone showed me that picture and said what engine is this i would have said a 1.4 due to the inlet manifold and airbox setup

31st December 2011, 10:16

That looks exactly the same my old vtr engine, do the magnet test that Gav said that'll tell you if it's a 1.4

31st December 2011, 10:23

looks to be a single plug car yes? well crossover?

i would have though a 1.4 ecu on a 1.6 would hinder the performance some what due to it being too lean but saying that if you have the 1.4 inlet on aswell iirc that has smaller ports than the vtr so once again will hinder the performance.

31st December 2011, 10:33

That looks identical to my vtr, and its all original

1st January 2012, 15:38

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Originally Posted by Saxovch22

what makes you think its a vtr engine ?
if someone showed me that picture and said what engine is this i would have said a 1.4 due to the inlet manifold and airbox setup

Well it is slightly quicker than my mates mk2 vtr. The inlet was a 1.4 and the ecu is also a 1.4. I've now fitted a vtr inlet and also tried a vtr ecu but it didnt run to well so put the old ecu back on.

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Originally Posted by f13sta

looks to be a single plug car yes? well crossover?

i would have though a 1.4 ecu on a 1.6 would hinder the performance some what due to it being too lean but saying that if you have the 1.4 inlet on aswell iirc that has smaller ports than the vtr so once again will hinder the performance.

No mate its a 3 plug. It is an x reg orginally so yeah I imagine its a crossover. That was my thinking behind it all. Currently I'm thinking they just put a 1.6 block in with all the 1.4 parts onto it.

ALSO looked at the injectors yesterday and they seem to be black, My friends vtr has blue injectors which makes me think they are different flow rates?

AND put a magnet on the block and it didnt stick so must be a 1.4

1st January 2012, 21:51

The airbox looks different to the one in my Mk2 VTR

1st January 2012, 21:55

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Originally Posted by Simon0014

Well it is slightly quicker than my mates mk2 vtr. The inlet was a 1.4 and the ecu is also a 1.4. I've now fitted a vtr inlet and also tried a vtr ecu but it didnt run to well so put the old ecu back on.

No mate its a 3 plug. It is an x reg orginally so yeah I imagine its a crossover. That was my thinking behind it all. Currently I'm thinking they just put a 1.6 block in with all the 1.4 parts onto it.

ALSO looked at the injectors yesterday and they seem to be black, My friends vtr has blue injectors which makes me think they are different flow rates?

AND put a magnet on the block and it didnt stick so must be a 1.4

makes no sense mate, you contradicted yourself lol.

1st January 2012, 22:27

The rapid powarrr must be in your head dude, my bet is that is a 1.4

Who would fuck about sticking a 1.6 head on a 1.4 block or vice versa, waste of time for no gain. Unless the person who owned it before you was a tard.

It's clear from peoples comments that you can't identify what engine it is from the airbox or inlet though...

1st January 2012, 22:41

Yeah I know that was exactly my thinking. You'd have to be clinically insane to piss about with that haha. Well thing is i've driven several 1.4s and this is far faster. As i also said it did beat my friends mk2 vtr as well. I find it hard to believe that just a short ratio'd gearbox can make up for a 23bhp difference between a 1.4 furio 75bhp and 1.6 mk2 vtr 98bhp

1st January 2012, 22:43

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Originally Posted by mlawlan69

makes no sense mate, you contradicted yourself lol.

Yeah sorry about that I wrote the first bit, went away for a while did the magnet test and then came back and forgot I had written the previous. I'm putting it down to a lack of sleep from last night!!

1st January 2012, 22:43

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Originally Posted by Simon0014

Yeah I know that was exactly my thinking. You'd have to be clinically insane to piss about with that haha. Well thing is i've driven several 1.4s and this is far faster. As i also said it did beat my friends mk2 vtr as well. I find it hard to believe that just a short ratio'd gearbox can make up for a 23bhp difference between a 1.4 furio 75bhp and 1.6 mk2 vtr 98bhp

off the line it will, quite easy vtr box's are meant to be fairly poor.

just get on a nice stretch of private land and try top it out lol.

1st January 2012, 22:47

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Originally Posted by mlawlan69

off the line it will, quite easy vtr box's are meant to be fairly poor.

just get on a nice stretch of private land and try top it out lol.

Yeah my car tops out at about 70mph.... (actually 110mph it runs out of revs) if I go flat out for agesssss But we got upto about 80ish and I was still the same distance ahead before we had to brake. We did this test numerous times.

2nd January 2012, 17:07

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Originally Posted by Simon0014

Well it is slightly quicker than my mates mk2 vtr. The inlet was a 1.4 and the ecu is also a 1.4. I've now fitted a vtr inlet and also tried a vtr ecu but it didnt run to well so put the old ecu back on.

No mate its a 3 plug. It is an x reg orginally so yeah I imagine its a crossover. That was my thinking behind it all. Currently I'm thinking they just put a 1.6 block in with all the 1.4 parts onto it.

ALSO looked at the injectors yesterday and they seem to be black, My friends vtr has blue injectors which makes me think they are different flow rates?

AND put a magnet on the block and it didnt stick so must be a 1.4

ah right well i can tell you hen if it's a 3 plug that just looking at the ecu's you will be able to tell the furio (or mine atleast) has a sagem s2000 and is big and square. a vtr one is about half the size.

2nd January 2012, 19:33

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Originally Posted by f13sta

ah right well i can tell you hen if it's a 3 plug that just looking at the ecu's you will be able to tell the furio (or mine atleast) has a sagem s2000 and is big and square. a vtr one is about half the size.

Yeah mine is the same. Looks identical to my brothers old quiky ecu and all other 1.4 i've seen. Thats what had added to my confusion. I did try a vtr ecu and it ran alright..ish only problem it had a few flatspots but still seemed to get up to speed alright. Just lacked power down low.

The biggest thing that confuses me is that my car was quicker than a vtr that was rr'd at 102.4bhp. I really cant believe that a short ratio'd box could make up for such a power gap. I hope to get my car rr'd this month or next to see if its standard or not.

3rd January 2012, 00:10

Can you find the engine number?

3rd January 2012, 00:22

what box is it running for it to top out at 70mph?

it must do 0-60 in like 4 seconds lol.

put a standard box back on and it will feel like a 1.4 again, you may beat the vtr off the line, but only because of the box.

3rd January 2012, 00:43

he was joking about the 70mph thing im guessing as thats the legal limit....

Whats the engine code dude that will solve your question.

Its possible the vtr's are shit, were was it RR'd at 102?

3rd January 2012, 01:10

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Originally Posted by Tom5190

he was joking about the 70mph thing im guessing as thats the legal limit....

Whats the engine code dude that will solve your question.

Its possible the vtr's are shit, were was it RR'd at 102?

i fail, i only read up to the white writing, i didnt actually see it until i saw your post and went back to re read !!!

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Originally Posted by Simon0014

Yeah my car tops out at about 70mph.... (actually 110mph it runs out of revs) if I go flat out for agesssss But we got upto about 80ish and I was still the same distance ahead before we had to brake. We did this test numerous times.

3rd January 2012, 21:26

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Originally Posted by Gandi699

Can you find the engine number?

I found a code/number by the oil filter but it didn't seem to match anything on previous threads about engine numbers.

I will get it again when I get a chance so we can put it to rest!!

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Originally Posted by mlawlan69

what box is it running for it to top out at 70mph?

it must do 0-60 in like 4 seconds lol.

put a standard box back on and it will feel like a 1.4 again, you may beat the vtr off the line, but only because of the box.

Yeah man was taking the piss lol

I'm guessing based on ratio's i've read its possibly a 1.4 xsi box as the car sits pretty much on the red line at 110. Again I will get the code off this to check.

Could someone tell me where the code is on the box please??

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Originally Posted by Tom5190

he was joking about the 70mph thing im guessing as thats the legal limit....

Whats the engine code dude that will solve your question.

Its possible the vtr's are shit, were was it RR'd at 102?

I'm not sure some place gloucester way was RR'd by the previous owner. He's called Kris on 106 owners, pretty well known on there. Not sure if he's on here.

As you can imagine my mind struggles to believe that it can be quicker than a car with a considerable amount more power!

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Originally Posted by mlawlan69

i fail, i only read up to the white writing, i didnt actually see it until i saw your post and went back to re read !!!

No worries mate, happens to the best of us

3rd January 2012, 22:22

Right, here's a pic of my VTR engine bay. Looks pretty similar to yours, except I'm missing the ECU cover. Either you have a VTR or we both have VTRs that somebody has put 1.4 engines in!

3rd January 2012, 22:42

all 8'vs look practically the same though !!

please just get it on some rollers

3rd January 2012, 23:14

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Originally Posted by mlawlan69

all 8'vs look practically the same though !!

please just get it on some rollers

Yeah I'm hoping to this month, I will also see if I can get the engine number and gearbox code when I can be bothered to venture under my car again!!

3rd January 2012, 23:20

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Originally Posted by Tc24

Right, here's a pic of my VTR engine bay. Looks pretty similar to yours, except I'm missing the ECU cover. Either you have a VTR or we both have VTRs that somebody has put 1.4 engines in!

yours is different. yours is definatly a vtr, can tell by the inlet and standard air feed pipe.

on his engine he has the 1.4 inlet and the 1.4 standard airbox setup

3rd January 2012, 23:22

Get a video of its acceleration I'm intrigued to know what it is. Did you find the gearbox code by the way?

4th January 2012, 09:37

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Originally Posted by Gandi699

Get a video of its acceleration I'm intrigued to know what it is. Did you find the gearbox code by the way?

Ok I shall try and get one sorted in the next day or two

Hopefully it will stay dry!!
I havent had a chance to look, I'm back at my uni house so don't have a jack etc to look for it underneath

4th January 2012, 11:36

magnet no stick = alloy block which means 1.4 chances are you may have a 1.1 box on

4th January 2012, 11:43

What ever it is you have a fair few oil leaks =/

4th January 2012, 11:54

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Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush

magnet no stick = alloy block which means 1.4 chances are you may have a 1.1 box on

You may be right! I shall find out in the near future!! Also got all the sensors off and ready. I stupidly left them back in chippenham so can't post them till I next go home

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Originally Posted by Bikekid450

What ever it is you had a fair few oil leaks =/

Edited for you, this picture if from when I first got the car. Was just from the rocker cover gasket as it was knackered! Replaced and cleaned the block up now!