306 GTi-6 Snapped Cambelt - Help Please!

1. 9Freedman9 Established Member Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1997

   #1 25th December 2011, 19:42

   Hi guys, I am buying, or shall we say in the process of buying a cambelt snap 306, for £200, the car itself is mint with subtle mods, it's easily worth the money in parts but seeing as it's such a clean shell I would like to fix the problem.
   
   My question is how much does it cost? Other than the valves bending what else can damage? Guides? I am not too sure as i'm a novice when it comes to head work!
   
   Not too sure whether this was the right forum to post in. The 306oc is always dead and I know a few owners on here have a GTi-6 so was just wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction! Thanks.
2. user_38699 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2009 Torquay Posts: 2930 MK2 saxo vtr

   #2 25th December 2011, 19:45

   Depends what damage has been done.
   
   Could be fked valves, pistons, conrods ect.
   
   Might be easier just putting a different engine into it.
3. 9Freedman9 Established Member Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1997

   #3 25th December 2011, 19:53

   How much would that be though? I think he was pulling away slowly in first, even so it doesn't really make a difference.
   
   The engine was put in that car about 5 years ago, a fully refurbished one from Pug Preformance costing a fair amount of cash!
4. saxo_singh Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2009 Birmingham Posts: 4289 02 VTR'd Furio, 07 Audi A4 Avant S Line

   #4 25th December 2011, 19:58

   I would personnally rebuild it. No point breaking a decent car because of a cambelt. Same engines in the xsara, should be cheap enough to buy another engine for parts.
5. user_30431 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2009 Button Moon Posts: 3129 306 gti6

   #5 25th December 2011, 20:03

   Only trouble is engines are not cheap like vts engines.
6. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

   #6 25th December 2011, 20:05

   Is this the red one that was on gumtree few weeks back with a real vague description?
   
   Engines are penny's theirs four on 205drivers ATM iirc.. Looking at circa £350 for one.
7. saxo_singh Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2009 Birmingham Posts: 4289 02 VTR'd Furio, 07 Audi A4 Avant S Line

   #7 25th December 2011, 20:06

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Rob-6 Only trouble is engines are not cheap like vts engines.

   True that.
   
   Cheapest I could find on ebay:
   
   http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/peugeot-30...item4ab18aba81
8. 9Freedman9 Established Member Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1997

   #8 25th December 2011, 20:09

   No, it was a friends, I was going to buy it but he wanted £1650 for it, I said i'd give him £1400 because the cambelt needed doing, he wouldn't have it, sold it to another friend and it went caput on it, the car is mint though, it's easily worth the money in the parts, amps and sound stuff is all coming with the car! I don't want to strip it though, i'd like to repair it and drive it, as it's such a clean example.
   
   I would rather repair the engine in it, as I know it doesn't smoke/rattle etc, where as I could buy a different engine to find it smokes, taps what ever! How much would be the most to pay? I'd like it done fairly cheap but not so it goes again in 5k or what ever!
9. 9Freedman9 Established Member Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1997

   #9 25th December 2011, 22:28

   TTT???
10. user_34645 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2009 Rack City, Isle of Man Posts: 4127 GS300, MK1 VTS, Katy M 1190

    #10 25th December 2011, 22:29

    Take the Head off and see whats what. Only way you're going to see what needs replacing. You may have got lucky with no damage, or just a couple of Valves.
11. 9Freedman9 Established Member Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1997

    #11 25th December 2011, 22:34

    Indeed, if it was just the valves that had bent how much would it cost to replace all of them?
12. user_34645 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2009 Rack City, Isle of Man Posts: 4127 GS300, MK1 VTS, Katy M 1190

    #12 25th December 2011, 22:36

    I've no idea to be honest for the price of Valves.
    
    Quick search of ebay I found saxo Valves are around 8quid each.. tbh, I'd hazard a guess at something around that figure?
13. 9Freedman9 Established Member Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1997

    #13 25th December 2011, 22:45

    I can't imagine they'd be that much more then! Even at a tenner, 16 valves would be £160, so how much would they be to fit?
14. user_54407 Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2011 Swindon Posts: 577 MGB Sebring Track (WIP), Saxo

    #14 25th December 2011, 23:12

    If your able to do the work yourself, then wouldnt be too bad, a new engine that will plug and play and your good.
    
    If your going to be paying labour, then you wil be looking at a lot of money!
15. Mieran Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2007 Newcastle Posts: 6719

    #15 26th December 2011, 01:09

    wack a new belt on it and see if it works
16. Spudgun_mk Newbie Joined: Oct 2010 Milton Keynes Posts: 24 52 plate saxo vts

    #16 26th December 2011, 09:33

    i had a cambelt slip a couple of teeth on a mates one we just changed the engine as people say a lot easier got an engine with about 80000 miles for 175. have a look on http://www.pug306.netto see if any one is breaking one or for some general advice
17. axsaxoman Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2003 Scotland Posts: 3380

    #17 26th December 2011, 09:40

    stop messing about
    if you are repairing it ,
    you need to remove head to see damage
    +if you are fitting dif engine you need to remove it ,
    so lift the head + remove cma s etc check valves +guides etc
    and then you will know which is best way to proceed .
18. user_16747 Banned Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 4328

    #18 26th December 2011, 17:53

    have a look on the 306gti6 forum!
    
    
    they can suffer alot of damage from thwe belt going, the valve guides can be damaged and even if the valves look bent they may of damaged the valve head itslef!
    
    many people have had the same damage, reapired the top end to find it has caused damage to the bottom which has gone a few miles later
    
    only a few people in the country have the experiance and skills to rebuild one of these heads correctly and make sure it doesnt tap afterwards,
19. saxovtrjar Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2011 wiltshire Posts: 261 Saxo VTR phase 1 (sold), Saxo VTR phase 2

    #19 27th December 2011, 10:31

    contact carl at c.g cars of leicester he supplied my mate with a fully rebuilt engine for around 400 i think
20. col101 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 York Posts: 768 VTR

    #20 27th December 2011, 21:54

    Different car (obviously...) but I had an old xr3i cambelt let go whilst sat in traffic. Took every valve, 1 piston and 1 conrod. I scrapped it.

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21. Alex16v L-plater Joined: May 2011 Walsall, West Midlands Posts: 50 106 GTI

    #21 29th December 2011, 17:43

    Take it to carl at CG cars.
22. josh_hanks Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2011 Bristol Posts: 129 2002 Saxo VTS

    #22 29th December 2011, 18:33

    Try the club306 forums, I think it's £10 - £15 for the year but it's really good for 306's
23. Manu Saxperience Addict Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 11714 A6 Le Mans tuned/A3 TFSI tuned

    #23 29th December 2011, 19:07

    Snapped a cambelt once, it wasn't worth repairing so I scrapped the car.
    
    My guess is that it will cost you more to inspect and fix rather than replace the engine. All valves + cambelt + F knows what else + labour will cost you more than 400 unless you carry out the work yourself. Then there's no guarantee the bottom isn't damaged. Sounds easier to sourse a xsara vts or 306gti engine from somewhere and do the transplant.
24. Gabbastard Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2002 United Kingdom Posts: 8390

    #24 30th December 2011, 12:18

    As a couple have said, you need to get the head off it, its pointless us guessing. Worst case scenario, new engine required so budget 400 for an engine plus fluids if youre fitting it yourself.