do you reckon this would put out 210 bhp?

  1. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2009 maidstone Posts: 702 saxo vtr
    #1
    basically im having this disscussion/ argument with this boy who claims his 106 s2 rallye with the 1.6 8v engine with "forged pistons, bigger valves, gasflowed head, race cams and throttle bodies" puts out 210 bhp????

    what you reckon its really putting out?
  2. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 Someones Bumhole Posts: 5721 Mk2 16v Desire
    #2
    Never seen that power from an 8v before

    show him this. 206 bhp N/A 1.6 16v

    http://www.106owners.co.uk/forums/sh...hlight=sven106
  3. Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 937 NA
    #3
    Not 210bhp that's for sure...
    If he was actually serious he would give the model of cam and not just 'race camshaft'. One other thing which makes me thing he's barking up the wrong tree is the fact he says 'cams'. Rallye engines only have 1 camshaft.
  4. Established Member Joined: Jun 2011 Hertfordshire Posts: 1574 '07 Saab 93 Vector Sport - '79 Citroën Dyane
    #4
    Play a little dumb and ask him where he got his two cams from and how much...
  5. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182
    #5
    That guy on here has a 1.6 8v with 157bhp. Anymore than that as NA form and I think thats pushing the limits of whats possible with an 8v
  6. Established Member Joined: Jan 2010 Bournemouth/Surrey Posts: 2458 Mk2 VTR
    #6
    Blackies 8v turbo with all those mods is only like 220?

    So I'd say he's a lying cunt
  7. Saxperience Addict Joined: Oct 2008 Plymouth, Fiddling - under a two poster ramp Posts: 14064 Audi
    #7
    id say, its more around 212bhp.
  8. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #8
    No chance.
  9. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.
    #9
    To the op I think the guy your having the debate with is just talking big trying to show off.Ask to see his car get him to lift the bonnet & ask him where`s the missing cam?
  10. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2006 Maidstone Posts: 8210 Golf TDI
    #10
    Not in this lifetime
  11. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172
    #11
    not unless failroader has tuned it
  12. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2006 Maidstone Posts: 8210 Golf TDI
    #12
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mandyslover70 View Post
    not unless failroader has tuned it
    What happened to him? Banned for being a cnut?
  13. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172
    #13
    i believe so, or maybe he has blasted himself into hyper-space in his standard 1.4,whilst inventing high-tech componentry for Mercedes
  14. Saxperience Addict Joined: Oct 2008 Plymouth, Fiddling - under a two poster ramp Posts: 14064 Audi
    #14
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mandyslover70 View Post
    not unless failroader has tuned it
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by devilsadvocate View Post
    What happened to him? Banned for being a cnut?
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mandyslover70 View Post
    i believe so, or maybe he has blasted himself into hyper-space in his standard 1.4,whilst inventing high-tech componentry for Mercedes
    i miss my failroader
  15. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172
    #15
    he was my speshul fwend and i wanted his babeezz
  16. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2002 United Kingdom Posts: 8390
    #16
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by stevo67 View Post
    To the op I think the guy your having the debate with is just talking big trying to show off.Ask to see his car get him to lift the bonnet & ask him where`s the missing cam?
    There are 8 cams on a camshaft. Hence cam-shaft.
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  17. Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2011 Thorne+Grimsby Posts: 717 S2GTi / Megane cc
    #17
    Suggest to him he joins you for a power run at a local dyno? Then watch him squirm for excuses why he won't do it
  18. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 Someones Bumhole Posts: 5721 Mk2 16v Desire
    #18
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gabbastard View Post
    There are 8 cams on a camshaft. Hence cam-shaft.
    finally.....
  19. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B
    #19
    HAHA, funny, i doubt even a super expensive stroked 8v could get 200bhp NA tbf?! anyone know any stroked 8v TB builds?


    and failaroader!! lol he made me laugh...we need a new failroader
  20. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172
    #20
    there'll be one along soon blackie, i'm sure
  21. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B
    #21
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mandyslover70 View Post
    there'll be one along soon blackie, i'm sure
    i hope...you get my pm?
  22. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172
    #22
    yes mate going to have a look later, btw throttle body arrived safe and sound cheers!
  23. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B
    #23
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mandyslover70 View Post
    yes mate going to have a look later, btw throttle body arrived safe and sound cheers!
    no worries on both counts
  24. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2008 The wrong carpark Posts: 5152 Xantia 1.9TD
    #24
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gabbastard View Post
    There are 8 cams on a camshaft. Hence cam-shaft.
    No, there are 8 cam lobes.
  25. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B
    #25
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by chinkostu View Post
    No, there are 8 cam lobes.
    cam lobe is still a cam mate, a cam by definition is shape that provokes movement in another part of a system

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cam
  26. Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2011 Stoke Posts: 101 52 plate saxo vtr, 10 plate i10 (the wifes)
    #26
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NismoSteve View Post
    Suggest to him he joins you for a power run at a local dyno? Then watch him squirm for excuses why he won't do it
    +1. see him go. lol
  27. Established Member Joined: Jun 2011 Hertfordshire Posts: 1574 '07 Saab 93 Vector Sport - '79 Citroën Dyane
    #27
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NismoSteve View Post
    Suggest to him he joins you for a power run at a local dyno? Then watch him squirm for excuses why he won't do it
    I would pay for the dyno for him, and invite anyone who has heard of him. It might be childish, but it would shut him up
  28. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #28
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by blackie_2k5 View Post
    HAHA, funny, i doubt even a super expensive stroked 8v could get 200bhp NA tbf?! anyone know any stroked 8v TB builds?


    and failaroader!! lol he made me laugh...we need a new failroader
    I've seen 8v race engines quoted as 170-180ish. No where near road legal, with a stroker you could say its pheasable.
  29. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B
    #29
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ryan View Post
    I've seen 8v race engines quoted as 170-180ish. No where near road legal, with a stroker you could say its pheasable.
    ive seen some 170s... didnt think the stroker would yield a whole 30bhp...but 20bhp sounds alot easier tbf

    still, unless this IS a stroker its not putting out anywhere near those figures
  30. Established Member Joined: Mar 2006 Farnham Surrey Posts: 1542 AX GT 16v turbo 6 speed with NOS 205 gti6 E 320
    #30
    anything less than 300bhp in an 8v is just not worth doing
  31. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #31
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by blackie_2k5 View Post
    ive seen some 170s... didnt think the stroker would yield a whole 30bhp...but 20bhp sounds alot easier tbf

    still, unless this IS a stroker its not putting out anywhere near those figures
    Well kam quote that a 708 specked engine on a stroker kit could easily reach 200 based on figures from the manufacturers, so much wilder cams in an 8v doesn't mean it's a total no.

    But obviously we are discussing another tangent.
  32. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B
    #32
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tweeqd View Post
    anything less than 300bhp in an 8v is just not worth doing
    now thats not entirely true is it martin ...but i still want 300bhp lots

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ryan View Post
    Well kam quote that a 708 specked engine on a stroker kit could easily reach 200 based on figures from the manufacturers, so much wilder cams in an 8v doesn't mean it's a total no.

    But obviously we are discussing another tangent.
    yeah ive read this, so wilder spec on less valves should still be do able with some headwork/valves...obvs there will be a clear handicap for the 8v in terms of flow..but still looks good on paper

    need someone rich enough to tune a rallye and keep it "original"
  33. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2009 maidstone Posts: 702 saxo vtr
    #33
    Yeah I didn't think it was anywhere near that. After talking to him and telling him you guys thought he was talking shit it then changed to 190 bhp with a vts engine that was forged and other bullshit. So that's where the convosation ended. Thanks anyway guys