Phase 1 or phase 2

1. nathan9279 L-plater Joined: Sep 2011 Ash/ Surrey Posts: 91 Saxo vtr Saxo vtr with 106 gti cammed

   #1 21st January 2012, 17:54

   Hi guys I know I'm in the wrong forum but any help would be appreciated, I have a vtr with a 106 gti conversion, how can you tell the difference between a phase 1 or phase 2? The owner who sold it to me said its aphasia 2 but I was told it may be a phase 1
   
   Cheers guys
2. nathan9279 L-plater Joined: Sep 2011 Ash/ Surrey Posts: 91 Saxo vtr Saxo vtr with 106 gti cammed

   #2 21st January 2012, 17:56

   The owner who sold it said it was a phase 2 *****
3. dolby20 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2011 Esholt - West Yorkshire Posts: 3113 Citroen Saxo VTR 2002

   #3 21st January 2012, 18:02

   Headlights are your biggest giveaway
   Tear drop shape for mk2
   More square shaped for mk1
   If the front Citroen badge lifts with the bonnet, I'd say it was mark 2!
4. devilsadvocate Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2006 Maidstone Posts: 8210 Golf TDI

   #4 21st January 2012, 18:05

   Phase 1
   
   
   
   Phase 2
   
   
5. f13sta Established Member Joined: Sep 2010 loughborough Posts: 2229 1988 ford fiesta mk2 1.4- 2001 black saxo furio (d

   #5 21st January 2012, 18:11

   ofcourse just looking at it doesn't mean anything to confuse you a little more.
   early mk2s had the mk1 engine and loom
6. devilsadvocate Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2006 Maidstone Posts: 8210 Golf TDI

   #6 21st January 2012, 18:16

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by f13sta ofcourse just looking at it doesn't mean anything to confuse you a little more. early mk2s had the mk1 engine and loom

   He has got a GTI engine so guessing he wants to just know the visual differences
7. nathan9279 L-plater Joined: Sep 2011 Ash/ Surrey Posts: 91 Saxo vtr Saxo vtr with 106 gti cammed

   #7 21st January 2012, 18:19

   I know the difference between a mk 1 and mk 2. I have amk 2 vtr and the engine is a 106 gti but not sure how to tell if the engine is phase 1 or phase 2, sorry of I confused you.
   It's just I'm looking at 4-1 manifolds and don't know if engine is phase 1 or 2
8. kennym1987 Established Member Joined: Sep 2007 Armadale, West Lothian Posts: 1230 flatty 16v sleeper and a regular vts

   #8 21st January 2012, 18:39

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by nathan9279 I know the difference between a mk 1 and mk 2. I have amk 2 vtr and the engine is a 106 gti but not sure how to tell if the engine is phase 1 or phase 2, sorry of I confused you. It's just I'm looking at 4-1 manifolds and don't know if engine is phase 1 or 2

   if your wanting to find out if your gti engine is earlier or later type look at the ecu. if its 1 plug its early, 3 plug later. later engines had an egr valve on the exhaust manifold and 2 lambda sensors
9. nathan9279 L-plater Joined: Sep 2011 Ash/ Surrey Posts: 91 Saxo vtr Saxo vtr with 106 gti cammed

   #9 21st January 2012, 18:47

   Are there any other visual signes because it's a 3 plug ecu but only has one lambda
10. devilsadvocate Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2006 Maidstone Posts: 8210 Golf TDI

    #10 21st January 2012, 18:58

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by nathan9279 Are there any other visual signes because it's a 3 plug ecu but only has one lambda

    The EGR valve on the front of the engine is usually an indication.
    
    Where is the lambda you can see?
    
    The second one is usually behind the manifold and it's hard to see without sticking a torch behind it.

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11. nathan9279 L-plater Joined: Sep 2011 Ash/ Surrey Posts: 91 Saxo vtr Saxo vtr with 106 gti cammed

    #11 21st January 2012, 19:02

    The only lambda is behind the manifold no others under the car that's the only one
12. devilsadvocate Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2006 Maidstone Posts: 8210 Golf TDI

    #12 21st January 2012, 19:06

    Has it been decatted or is the cat there?
    
    Has it got the EGR valve as in this pic?
    
    
    
    The EGR valve is the round black plasic part in front of the cam covers...looks like it's attached to the manifold heat shield
13. nathan9279 L-plater Joined: Sep 2011 Ash/ Surrey Posts: 91 Saxo vtr Saxo vtr with 106 gti cammed

    #13 21st January 2012, 19:10

    It's standard manifold decat and saxsport system and it hasn't got egr valve so its a phase 2 then?
14. nathan9279 L-plater Joined: Sep 2011 Ash/ Surrey Posts: 91 Saxo vtr Saxo vtr with 106 gti cammed

    #14 21st January 2012, 19:11

    I'll try and upload a pic of the engine
15. devilsadvocate Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2006 Maidstone Posts: 8210 Golf TDI

    #15 21st January 2012, 19:12

    Phase one by the sound of it.
    
    EGR valve is phase 2 iirc
    Single lambda is phase 1 iirc
16. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

    #16 21st January 2012, 19:20

    
    
    Yeah same as the pic above.
    
    Check over...
17. nathan9279 L-plater Joined: Sep 2011 Ash/ Surrey Posts: 91 Saxo vtr Saxo vtr with 106 gti cammed

    #17 21st January 2012, 19:24

    Cheers guys
18. Quick Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2003 United Kingdom (England) Posts: 7064

    #18 22nd January 2012, 17:02

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by devilsadvocate Phase one by the sound of it. EGR valve is phase 2 iirc Single lambda is phase 1 iirc

    Its 2001+ that gained the EGR valve & 3 plug ecu & 2 lambda on the Vts ( and seat airbags) Euro III emissions.
19. devilsadvocate Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2006 Maidstone Posts: 8210 Golf TDI

    #19 22nd January 2012, 17:04

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Quick Its 2001+ that gained the EGR valve & 3 plug ecu & 2 lambda on the Vts ( and seat airbags) Euro III emissions.

    So phase 2?
    
    Mine is a phase 2 and has all of the above.
20. RyanSaxo Established Member Joined: Jul 2007 Midlandzzz Posts: 1613 The 'S

    #20 22nd January 2012, 17:42

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by devilsadvocate So phase 2? Mine is a phase 2 and has all of the above.

    I don't think it necessarily means it's a phase 2 car....
    
    because the initial phase 2 cars used the older engines? presumable the x/y reg ones that came in before 2001 that were still phase 2? :s
    
    If i've read the above correctly...

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21. tweeqd Established Member Joined: Mar 2006 Farnham Surrey Posts: 1542 AX GT 16v turbo 6 speed with NOS 205 gti6 E 320

    #21 22nd January 2012, 18:26

    yours is a single plug nathan
22. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

    #22 22nd January 2012, 19:17

    i thought the egr valve and 2 lambdas were on later 16valve engines?
    
    what if its an early phase 2 engine?
    seeing as 3 plug is phase 2
23. tweeqd Established Member Joined: Mar 2006 Farnham Surrey Posts: 1542 AX GT 16v turbo 6 speed with NOS 205 gti6 E 320

    #23 22nd January 2012, 20:15

    the engine is from a p plate GTI
24. Quick Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2003 United Kingdom (England) Posts: 7064

    #24 22nd January 2012, 20:53

    P plate git will be single plug, pug swopped over also in 2001!
25. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

    #25 22nd January 2012, 21:00

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tweeqd the engine is from a p plate GTI

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by nathan9279 Are there any other visual signes because it's a 3 plug ecu but only has one lambda

    why does the op think its a 3 plug?
26. tweeqd Established Member Joined: Mar 2006 Farnham Surrey Posts: 1542 AX GT 16v turbo 6 speed with NOS 205 gti6 E 320

    #26 22nd January 2012, 21:39

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Quick P plate git will be single plug, pug swopped over also in 2001!

    i know this
    
    im not sure why the OP thiks its a 3 plug, his saxo was a 3 plug vtr but now has a single plug 16v from a P plate 106, i know this cos i put the engine in
27. nathan9279 L-plater Joined: Sep 2011 Ash/ Surrey Posts: 91 Saxo vtr Saxo vtr with 106 gti cammed

    #27 23rd January 2012, 00:06

    I'm still thinking I've the 3 plug, my mistake I realised when I looked for the egr valve Sorry guys
28. PUG1OFF Regular Poster Joined: Jul 2009 chorley lancashire pr7 Posts: 401 106 s2 gti turbo,46k quicky,caddy van vr6, and a w

    #28 24th January 2012, 10:16

    isnt the oil filter on a phase 2 in a diffrent place than on a phase 1 or is that just on vtr i cant remember for some reason ,
29. RichSaxoVTR Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2018 Birmingham Posts: 112

    #29 20th April 2019, 19:59

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by devilsadvocate Phase 1 Phase 2

    Isn't that MK2 2 and MK 1. Phase 2 and 1 are differences in engine/bhp. For example when I got my 01' Saxo VTR last year before I modded and remapped it, it was a phase 2 100bhp. Phase 1 have 90bhp.