C2 vts hdi lump in my saxo vts

1. Tsaxovts Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2010 Basingstoke Posts: 735 Cammed Mk 1 Vts

   #1 15th February 2012, 02:12

   Right here me out.!
   
   Basicly wont to do something different with the saxo fed up with everyone saying its just a saxo.!
   
   Soo c2 vts hdi yes hdi are 110 bhp and 192Ib torque
   Now with a map and maybe a bigger blower surely it would be a tasty dieseal ?
   
   Now as there in c2's surely there would be not many issues getting in the saxo ?
   Surely there based around the same block as the tu jp4s ?
   
   So im guessing ill need
   
   Engine
   Loom
   Ecu
   Diseal fuel pump
   Diseal tank
   
   How hard would the loom be to wire into the orginal intieor loom ?
2. user_29491 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Lancs Posts: 4124 JP4S'd R.

   #2 15th February 2012, 02:21

   I presume the mounts wouldn't line up?
   
   Otherwise there would be loads already done, mustn't be worth the price of custom this and that.
3. saxo_singh Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2009 Birmingham Posts: 4289 02 VTR'd Furio, 07 Audi A4 Avant S Line

   #3 15th February 2012, 02:45

   I'd think it could work, but may have to start with a saxo diesel tho.
4. Ben_SaxoForte Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2009 Stoke-on-trent Posts: 2640 Mk5 Golf GTTDI Mk2 VTR Project

   #4 15th February 2012, 03:11

   sounds like it could be alot of work and money to me just for a diesel saxo
5. xsi16v Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2006 Ilkeston, Derbyshire Posts: 469 374 bhp Supercharged 205 GTI, Passat Estate

   #5 15th February 2012, 08:25

   multiplex wiring = no chance!!
   
   Go with a 2.0 hdi if you feel the need for a DIEsel
6. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

   #6 15th February 2012, 09:07

   Looked into it briefly years ago when I had my 1.5D.
   c2 VTS HDi is a 1.6 is it not?
   
   The 1.4HDi is a better bet since it's more compact, lighter engine and capable of 110 hp if you bung an intercooler on it and a remap. Which will be more than enough for a saxo - especially given the amount of torque that thing will be shoving out.
   
   The 1.4 HDi on the 206 uses the MA gearbox with a combination of VTR FD, a 1st-4th ratio cluster specific to the 1.4, and a unique 5th gear combo. In theory drive shafts and struts wouldn't need changing assuming the MA box sits in the same position as it does on the saxo.
   
   Certainly the Lower and Gearbox mount are in the same/similar position as vehicles found on the 206 - not sure about the ECU mount, that might need to be custom.
   
   The problem as mentioned above is the multiplexed nature donor car.
   From what I recall, the engine won't function unless the ECU is happy and the ECU won't be happy unless it has the BSI (which is like the car 'brain') in place, which means you need to fully rewire the entire vehicle to support the BSI. This means dash, front fascia, locks, keys etc all need to be donored over...!
7. Tsaxovts Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2010 Basingstoke Posts: 735 Cammed Mk 1 Vts

   #7 15th February 2012, 10:57

   Yes c2 vts hdi's are 1600.
   
   I could source a donnar car for fairly cheap, and getting the mounts made up would be a problem either.!
   Guessin id have to run the full c2 wiring witch would be a ball ache.!
   Rekon it would be worth it tho as it would be bloody quick.!
   
   A mate of mine is currently building a mk1 golf with a 300bhp pd diesal lump
   Engines all built hes just making up the mounts but it will be a monster
8. kennym1987 Established Member Joined: Sep 2007 Armadale, West Lothian Posts: 1230 flatty 16v sleeper and a regular vts

   #8 15th February 2012, 11:00

   i think its quite a good idea. would love to see how this turned out. as you said its done to old golfs so why not a saxo
9. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

   #9 15th February 2012, 11:09

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Tsaxovts Yes c2 vts hdi's are 1600. I could source a donnar car for fairly cheap, and getting the mounts made up would be a problem either.! Guessin id have to run the full c2 wiring witch would be a ball ache.! Rekon it would be worth it tho as it would be bloody quick.! A mate of mine is currently building a mk1 golf with a 300bhp pd diesal lump Engines all built hes just making up the mounts but it will be a monster

   That will be mint, I'd love to see more hotDieselHatches rocking about.
   
   I just remembered one other thing. The HDi have the intake system mounted to the top of the engine which is integral to the camcover (not sure on the 1.6 16v HDi though, I think it means height wise the bonnet needs to have a dodge ram-eskque mound in it. Otherwise it's just too high, I suppose though with a project like this you could always put together an non-integral intake system like on the standard saxos.
10. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #10 15th February 2012, 12:10

    As mentioned, only sensible option would be standalone and a clever man
    
    Or swap the whole wiring system
    Over, whic wouldn't be took h of an issue as
    The cars are
    Similar in size