PH3 Cams without remap

1. TimWesty L-plater Joined: Jul 2011 Conwy Posts: 78 VTS

   #1 20th February 2012, 19:36

   Hi, I'm thinking of getting these cams soon for my VTS..
   http://www.kamracing.co.uk/citroen/c...-saxo-vts.html
   
   It states in there that the cams would need a remap. What would be the implications without getting a remap? I know the car would run a lot better etc with a remap but that would be done at a later date.
   
   Thanks in advance
2. user_27192 Saxperience Addict Joined: Sep 2008 Suffolk Posts: 11590 ITB'd Saxo VTS & Mazda 6 MPS

   #2 20th February 2012, 19:38

   it will idle like shit and probably stall a lot if you don't give any revs when pulling away
3. scottie_436 Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 449

   #3 20th February 2012, 19:40

   lumpy or even non exsistent idle and wont release full potential of the cams. Probally be ok until you can get a remap thou
4. TimWesty L-plater Joined: Jul 2011 Conwy Posts: 78 VTS

   #4 20th February 2012, 19:40

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Chr15 it will idle like shit and probably stall a lot if you don't give any revs when pulling away

   Okay thanks for the quick reply! How much does a remap generally cost?
5. user_27192 Saxperience Addict Joined: Sep 2008 Suffolk Posts: 11590 ITB'd Saxo VTS & Mazda 6 MPS

   #5 20th February 2012, 19:53

   are you using the standard ecu or standalone?
   
   the cost of the mapping will vary on where you go to
6. TimWesty L-plater Joined: Jul 2011 Conwy Posts: 78 VTS

   #6 20th February 2012, 19:56

   I'll be using the standard ecu yeah. Ahh right will look around for remapping then.
7. user_43898 Established Member Joined: May 2010 leicester Posts: 1446 Clio 182 Inferno

   #7 20th February 2012, 20:01

   Price will be somewhere in the region of £200-£400 on average if taken somehwere reputable, possibly the higher end of the estimate though
8. user_27192 Saxperience Addict Joined: Sep 2008 Suffolk Posts: 11590 ITB'd Saxo VTS & Mazda 6 MPS

   #8 20th February 2012, 20:05

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by TimWesty I'll be using the standard ecu yeah. Ahh right will look around for remapping then.

   if you end up going to chipwizards, it'll be 160bhp
9. TimWesty L-plater Joined: Jul 2011 Conwy Posts: 78 VTS

   #9 20th February 2012, 20:10

   Is there cams that wouldn't need a remap? Or would the remap be a lot more beneficial for performance reasons? Just weighing up my options lol.
   Cheeers
10. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

    #10 20th February 2012, 20:11

    IIRC, Newman recommend retarding the inlet cam 2 degrees for a better idle with the standard ECU. Don't think you'll have any problems running it without a new map for a while - I know a few people who never bothered getting theirs mapped at all and seen slight gains. In the ideal world, you will want one though.
11. Tom5190 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 Someones Bumhole Posts: 5721 Mk2 16v Desire

    #11 20th February 2012, 20:20

    Main reason for the map is the idle, mid range power/torque and the extra revs so you can use all the power you get from the cam's. You can install them and run without but it gets a pain in the arse stalling all the time at junctions etc. (i ran mine for 2 weeks without a map.)
    
    Id just wait until you can afford a map and do them together
12. TimWesty L-plater Joined: Jul 2011 Conwy Posts: 78 VTS

    #12 20th February 2012, 20:24

    Okay, I'll just wait and do both the same time then. Cheers people!
13. goldies L-plater Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 44 MK2 VTR, Golf 4Mo, Bora TDI

    #13 25th February 2012, 21:52

    What cams are people running in VTSs to get decent power increases, make and profile and what is the standard cam profile??