S1 xsi to 16v conversion

  1. Established Member Joined: Aug 2007 Turin, Italy Posts: 2238 Fiesta ST-2, Saxo VTS ph2
    #1
    Ok done some reading up on doing this conversion as i may have a 106 xsi lined up!

    So from what i can gather if i have an early 106 gti conversion its basically plug and play. But a saxo set up is different and a 3 plug set up is just a nightmare! So i would need to splice the xsi and saxo loom together....or send it off to French Sport Tuning to get done.

    But i have the single plug loom and ecu from my W reg saxo vts. Would that work?

    Everything else conversion wise is self explanatory (shafts and mounts wise)

    Any help please?
  2. Established Member Joined: Sep 2007 Armadale, West Lothian Posts: 1230 flatty 16v sleeper and a regular vts
    #2
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Maxwell View Post
    Ok done some reading up on doing this conversion as i may have a 106 xsi lined up!

    So from what i can gather if i have an early 106 gti conversion its basically plug and play. But a saxo set up is different and a 3 plug set up is just a nightmare! So i would need to splice the xsi and saxo loom together....or send it off to French Sport Tuning to get done.

    But i have the single plug loom and ecu from my W reg saxo vts. Would that work?

    Everything else conversion wise is self explanatory (shafts and mounts wise)

    Any help please?
    if you use a gti loom you wont need to splice
  3. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #3
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kennym1987 View Post
    if you use a gti loom you wont need to splice
    you need to make up looms to fit 16v's in to s1 106's theres loads of info on the rallye reg about it their fuse boxes and fuel cut off switches are all different there isnt a loom which makes it plug and play
  4. Established Member Joined: Aug 2007 Turin, Italy Posts: 2238 Fiesta ST-2, Saxo VTS ph2
    #4
    So technically im better off sending away my 2000 saxo loom and the xsi loom, to get done!?
  5. Established Member Joined: Dec 2009 near manchester Posts: 1190 vtr'd FURIO....
    #5
    W reg looms are only really ok for w reg cars they have 2 plugs that go to the engine bay fuse box , it would be easier and cheaper to just get the gti loom.
  6. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #6
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by boony View Post
    W reg looms are only really ok for w reg cars they have 2 plugs that go to the engine bay fuse box , it would be easier and cheaper to just get the gti loom.
    ive just siad there isnt a loom which will make it plug and play so having a gti one will make no difference my house mate has done a 16v conversion on both a 1.4 and a 1.6 xsi, he made his first loom up him self and he bought a pre made loom for his 1.6 the looms are compeltely different in a s1 106

    maxwell if you dont know what your doing leave it to the pros is my advise also if you get one made up it will look nice and neat

    but like i said there is a whole section on the rallye reg on 16v'ing xsi's and rallyes or any s1 106 for that matter im sure its all in there
  7. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #7
    http://www.106rallyeforum.com/forum2...play.php?f=110
  8. Established Member Joined: Aug 2007 Turin, Italy Posts: 2238 Fiesta ST-2, Saxo VTS ph2
    #8
    The only thing im not sure about is the loom. As i have been pointing out - am i better getting the two looms spliced because i know its not plug and play!! My chum is 16v'ing a s1 rallye....but its on an emerald and bodies...so loom will be different anyway!

    Just wish i hada stuck at turboing my old vts!
  9. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #9
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Maxwell View Post
    The only thing im not sure about is the loom. As i have been pointing out - am i better getting the two looms spliced because i know its not plug and play!! My chum is 16v'ing a s1 rallye....but its on an emerald and bodies...so loom will be different anyway!

    Just wish i hada stuck at turboing my old vts!
    my last message wasnt aimed at you btw, i really dont know where to start with s1 106 looms compleltely out of my comfort zone lol how much are they charging to do a loom?

    now and again 16v s1 looms pop up on the rallye reg for sale between £50-100 but yea you would splice the two together but after that im lost
  10. Established Member Joined: Aug 2007 Turin, Italy Posts: 2238 Fiesta ST-2, Saxo VTS ph2
    #10
    Supposedly "French Sport Tuning" can splice the looms for £100. And as for a neat finish....guy next door to my friends unit, is a northern ireland distributor for "Flexicon" who supply electrical conduit

    I done the entire engine bay of my fiesta rs turbo with the stuff! So thats no issue. Im just wanting to have as little hassle as possible otherwise. But i know about the top engine mount mod, top rad hose etc!
  11. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 Someones Bumhole Posts: 5721 Mk2 16v Desire
    #11
    What you said is what you need doing, you need the loom ends from the original engine splicing onto the 16v loom. You will need to wire the fan switch in also but thats simple. £100 is an ok price
  12. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #12
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tom5190 View Post
    What you said is what you need doing, you need the loom ends from the original engine splicing onto the 16v loom. You will need to wire the fan switch in also but thats simple. £100 is an ok price
    i thought it was harder than that as i dont htink they have fuel cut off switchers and if you look at lukes bay he has one medium sized fuse box and we have one big one and one small one
  13. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 Someones Bumhole Posts: 5721 Mk2 16v Desire
    #13
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jeffchiz View Post
    i thought it was harder than that as i dont htink they have fuel cut off switchers and if you look at lukes bay he has one medium sized fuse box and we have one big one and one small one
    Lukes loom is just spliced onto a 106 plug end with the 4 extra wires which im sure are fan related and possibly something else. Cut off is engine loom based it dosent go into the chassis loom.

    Oh actually thinking about the colors ones a alt light and ones either the perm live to coilpack/injectors/vss or the one to the main relay
  14. Established Member Joined: Aug 2007 Turin, Italy Posts: 2238 Fiesta ST-2, Saxo VTS ph2
    #14
    Bump up for an old question!

    I need as much info and contacts (for the engine loom splicing in particilar) as possible for doing this conversion, as i have actually bought the 106 xsi i mentioned in post #1.
  15. Established Member Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 1368
    #15
    what else do you need to know?

    looms will need splicing, drivers mount will need adjusting, that is basically about it to a conversion.

    many people 'apparently' find that the fuel pump doesn't flow enough, so may find that a gti fuel pump needs fitting
  16. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #16
    if you pm tom5190 and send him your loom if he isnt too busy im sure he can do it for you, hes done plenty of looms for conversions, including his owm loom is a spliced single plug loom in his three plug car
  17. Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 449
    #17
    I did my own...

    1994 1.4 xsi / 1997 gti

    Had to splice gti loom onto xsi plug. Theres afew wires have no where to go.. Imobiliser wires and comms port.

    Imobiliser wires i insulated and left inside the loom.. Comms port i fitted one from a gti inside the engine bay.

    Also, depending on whever you want to use a gti speedo or not you will need to run a wire from the speed sensor to the dash to run the speedo
  18. L-plater Joined: Feb 2004 Italy Posts: 41
    #18
    Hello guys
    Seeking complete wiring for conversion

    106 s1 1.3 rally to the 1.6 16v

    thanks
  19. L-plater Joined: Feb 2004 Italy Posts: 41
    #19
    hello guys, I also try, wiring for converting from s1 1.3 rally in 16v. can you give me a hand?