Road Cams

  1. Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2012 New Ross Posts: 202 Saxo VTS/Xantia HDI
    #1
    well folks, just a few quick question's, which would be the best, if there are any differences between Newman ph3, catcam 708's and Piper 285's or would they all be roughly the same? And i know a remap is needed to get the best from them but would they run without the map while i got the cash together for it or would i need to wait and get it all done at once? Is the standard ECU suffice to be mapped for them and would you have a rough idea of expected gains from a set of these cams with the usuall breathing mods?
    Oh and do these cams need anything else for fitting or ok to go in on there own?
  2. Established Member Joined: Jun 2011 Bridgnorth (Shropshire) Posts: 2001 Jdm Dc2 Integra
    #2
    They're all roughly the same even though I think Catcam 743's are the cheapest, all run without remap but a bit rough, it's advised that you change the cambelt when changing cams but no need to change anything else, and they all work fine on standard ecu
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  3. Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2012 New Ross Posts: 202 Saxo VTS/Xantia HDI
    #3
    oh yeah id do the belt alright, but theres no need for different springs or lifters no?

    And would they be ok set on the standard timing marks with the standard cam pulleys?
  4. Established Member Joined: Jun 2011 Bridgnorth (Shropshire) Posts: 2001 Jdm Dc2 Integra
    #4
    Oh yeah I forgot about the springs lol, I think you should be ok on standard springs but you could change them just to be safe. And they will work fine on standard pulleys and timing marks
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  5. Established Member Joined: Jul 2007 Midlandzzz Posts: 1613 The 'S
    #5
    743's dont require any other modifications (same as 708's (older version) and ph3's etc)

    it's recommended to get a remap and timing adjusted though it will run (lumpy, stall in the cold a lot, with worse fuel burn etc) without.

    I dont know much about mapping the standard ecu... personally I'd get the predator one and get it mapped.
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  6. Established Member Joined: Jun 2011 Bridgnorth (Shropshire) Posts: 2001 Jdm Dc2 Integra
    #6
    I personally don't think there is much point getting a standalone ecu for just a set of fast road cams mate, standard ecu with a remap will work just fine
  7. Established Member Joined: Dec 2011 co durham Posts: 1150 cammed saxo vts(not any more) leon cupra
    #7
    ive just got 743's fitted this week, im booked in for a map next month, i changed the water pump and cam belt that is all
  8. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Pontefract Posts: 4007 2010 E92 320i MSport
    #8
    You can run them on standard timing marks, but it's better run them on the timing given by the manufacturer if you're not getting the car remapped.
  9. Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)
    #9
    on an otherwise standard engine run 1321743's on standard timing marks.
  10. Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2012 New Ross Posts: 202 Saxo VTS/Xantia HDI
    #10
    Thanks for the replies lads
    i will get a remap alright just a bit tricky over here in ireland, ive only managed to find one place that can map the standard ecu
    will the cams loose some power lower down the rev range as ive seen a few people say it? As it is my car takes off pretty quick and pulls really good up to around 3rd gear then thats where it seems she could use some extra horses

    @slim, do yo notice much difference now without the map?
  11. Established Member Joined: Dec 2011 co durham Posts: 1150 cammed saxo vts(not any more) leon cupra
    #11
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    Originally Posted by Monkgti View Post
    Thanks for the replies lads
    i will get a remap alright just a bit tricky over here in ireland, ive only managed to find one place that can map the standard ecu
    will the cams loose some power lower down the rev range as ive seen a few people say it? As it is my car takes off pretty quick and pulls really good up to around 3rd gear then thats where it seems she could use some extra horses

    @slim, do yo notice much difference now without the map?
    wish i could tell you mate my clutch arm snapped and my clutch broke the day before the cams were getting fitted so that's getting sorted now, haven't had a go of it yet
  12. Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2012 New Ross Posts: 202 Saxo VTS/Xantia HDI
    #12
    always somthing breaks just as you get somthing else done

    sure if you get a run of it before the remap give quick post here to tell what you think of it if you get a chance
  13. Established Member Joined: Dec 2011 co durham Posts: 1150 cammed saxo vts(not any more) leon cupra
    #13
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Monkgti View Post
    always somthing breaks just as you get somthing else done

    sure if you get a run of it before the remap give quick post here to tell what you think of it if you get a chance
    yeah mate no bother ill hopefully get it back on Thursday as i am away tomorrow, my remap isnt until the 29th of may so ill have 4 weeks to test it lol
  14. Established Member Joined: Jul 2007 Midlandzzz Posts: 1613 The 'S
    #14
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    Originally Posted by slimwiltaz View Post
    yeah mate no bother ill hopefully get it back on Thursday as i am away tomorrow, my remap isnt until the 29th of may so ill have 4 weeks to test it lol
    I'd be really interested to hear the outcome of performance without a map...

    If you could get a video of how it idles as well you would be a god.

    I have been putting off getting them until I can afford a map but if it's useable maybe I'll get them in sooner rather than later.
  15. Established Member Joined: Dec 2011 co durham Posts: 1150 cammed saxo vts(not any more) leon cupra
    #15
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by RyanSaxo View Post
    I'd be really interested to hear the outcome of performance without a map...

    If you could get a video of how it idles as well you would be a god.

    I have been putting off getting them until I can afford a map but if it's useable maybe I'll get them in sooner rather than later.
    yeah i will do, i rang the guy to ask how its idling he said its lumpy, there alright to drive on until the map tho
  16. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2009 Kent Posts: 4207 Mango cammed furio vts
    #16
    i have gmc ultimate road cams. When i didnt have a map i found it really annoying stalling and coughing on idle alot. With the map you can definatley feel the cams whereas without a map there wasnt a great difference to standard. Idles alot better now also.
  17. Established Member Joined: Dec 2011 co durham Posts: 1150 cammed saxo vts(not any more) leon cupra
    #17
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    Originally Posted by rich112 View Post
    i have gmc ultimate road cams. When i didnt have a map i found it really annoying stalling and coughing on idle alot. With the map you can definatley feel the cams whereas without a map there wasnt a great difference to standard. Idles alot better now also.
    does it ever cut out since the map?
  18. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 Someones Bumhole Posts: 5721 Mk2 16v Desire
    #18
    Ive had both 708's and 743's running mapped and un-mapped

    There both pretty much the same in terms of idle etc. It will cut out a fair bit when your slowing down to junctions etc when its not mapped. mine didnt like idling cold at all, infact it didnt idle cold, when it was warm it would idle but was abit rough.

    Map raised my idle limit to 1050rpm thats a fair bit over standard. After the map it idles perfect but obviously higher.

    Power felt increased on both cam's un mapped however without the raised rev limit you really dont get to see the power much at all.
  19. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2009 Kent Posts: 4207 Mango cammed furio vts
    #19
    yeah does sometimes mate, think the map isnt quite right to be honmest but it gets the power down, need it rolling roaded.

    Heres a video before i had a map:
    Here