acceleration

  1. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2012 Wirksworth Posts: 198 Saxo VTR mk2 2003.
    #1
    right got a pretty much standard saxo vtr i want acceleration brilliant but i don't want top speed killing. What options have i got?
  2. Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2011 Derbyshire Posts: 278 Peugeot 106 Quiksilver
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    Originally Posted by Beech36 View Post
    right got a pretty much standard saxo vtr i want acceleration brilliant but i don't want top speed killing. What options have i got?
    Diffed series 1 rallye box! :-)

    But seriously it depends how much and what you're looking to gain as people could be here all night throwing suggestions at you.
  3. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2012 Wirksworth Posts: 198 Saxo VTR mk2 2003.
    #3
    diffed series one rallye box? Would 1.1 saxo box be just as good? Name some main things. I want her to be a monster hhaha
  4. Established Member Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 1368
    #4
    gti or vts box with a vtr/diesel 5th gear
  5. Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2011 Derbyshire Posts: 278 Peugeot 106 Quiksilver
    #5
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Beech36 View Post
    diffed series one rallye box? Would 1.1 saxo box be just as good? Name some main things. I want her to be a monster hhaha
    Name a budget and I don't think anything will compare to that, unless you pick your own gear ratios and own final drive etc! :-)
  6. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2012 Wirksworth Posts: 198 Saxo VTR mk2 2003.
    #6
    doesn't vts kill top speed on vtr tho?
  7. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2012 Wirksworth Posts: 198 Saxo VTR mk2 2003.
    #7
    errrrrm i wud spend roughly 500 total on acceleration maybe more depending on how much it wud help. Accept from turbo
  8. Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2011 Derbyshire Posts: 278 Peugeot 106 Quiksilver
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Beech36 View Post
    errrrrm i wud spend roughly 500 total on acceleration maybe more depending on how much it wud help. Accept from turbo
    I'm unsure what to suggest apart from a manifold, good induction kit and a nice flowing exhaust, strip it out and there's a start :-)
  9. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2012 Wirksworth Posts: 198 Saxo VTR mk2 2003.
    #9
    got most of that coming. What about gearbox wise? So many people tell me different things. I want a gearbox to increase acceleration bt that won't drain top speed
  10. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5
    #10
    Dear god..

    id 16v it for that instead.
  11. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2012 Wirksworth Posts: 198 Saxo VTR mk2 2003.
    #11
    haha insurance wud be issue then lol. What gearbox is better? Vts or 1.1?
  12. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 chester Posts: 612 VTR mk 2
    #12
    Strip out what you don't need that can be a very cheap way to do it? Hah decent intake and exhaust
  13. Saxperience Addict Joined: Sep 2008 Suffolk Posts: 11590 ITB'd Saxo VTS & Mazda 6 MPS
    #13
    fail thread is fail
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  14. Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2011 Derbyshire Posts: 278 Peugeot 106 Quiksilver
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Beech36 View Post
    got most of that coming. What about gearbox wise? So many people tell me different things. I want a gearbox to increase acceleration bt that won't drain top speed
    S1 rallye box will help a lot acceleration wise and are widely wanted hence the price tag they generally carry, and in all fairness I shouldn't imagine you'd notice the final drive?
    Unless you often drive at 130+ mph.
  15. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182
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    Originally Posted by Daz_Kez View Post
    S1 rallye box will help a lot acceleration wise and are widely wanted hence the price tag they generally carry, and in all fairness I shouldn't imagine you'd notice the final drive?
    Unless you often drive at 130+ mph.
    105 mph max from a VTR with 6250 rpm rev limit when an s1 rallye box fitted. Makes it a hoot to drive though
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  16. Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2011 Derbyshire Posts: 278 Peugeot 106 Quiksilver
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    Originally Posted by Gandi699 View Post
    105 mph max from a VTR with 6250 rpm rev limit when an s1 rallye box fitted. Makes it a hoot to drive though
    Agh I forgot 8v! :-(
    Thanks for correcting XD
  17. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 Posts: 4857
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Beech36 View Post
    right got a pretty much standard saxo vtr i want acceleration brilliant but i don't want top speed killing. What options have i got?
    turbo charge the engine. that or get a vts.
  18. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2012 Wirksworth Posts: 198 Saxo VTR mk2 2003.
    #18
    how much does turbo charging cost i may just start savin
  19. L-plater Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 53 VTR two-tone,Ibiza sport,Corsa,VTS Two tone
    #19
    Your looking about £4k in new parts or can do it budget for about £2k down the 5th injector route
    im having my car booked in for a turbo build , not as simple as a turbo on exhaust job done, read into it and then you get the understanding of it all
  20. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 Derbyshire Posts: 770
    #20
    LMFAO, Vts it, "insurance would be a issue then" Might turbocharge it Oh and insurance wouldnt be a greater issue then...
  21. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2008 Down't road from Sheffield Posts: 4641 Was:16v 106 XS ..... Now: Import 1.8 MX5
    #21
    You don't want to lose top speed, but want better acceleration? Considering a VTR will do what? 120mph flat out? A VTS box is still to do 122mph on with a 6200 rev limit. And a 1.1 box is geared for 125mph...


    Why don't you want to sacrifice top speed though? Doing those kinds of speeds on a road is just downright stupid TBH, and it's extremely unlikely you'll get to them on a track in a relatively standard VTR.


    I put a 1.1 box on my old 8v, never topped it out, and it accelerated quicker than any other 8v I came across. (Except for a mate's S2 engine'd S1 Rallye with an S1 box, that fucker went like stink).

    Other option, is to strip the car, less weight = more go.
  22. Established Member Joined: May 2010 leicester Posts: 1446 Clio 182 Inferno
    #22
    Another point you dont want to over look is that a 1.1 gearbox on a vtr is under extra load i.e more torque and horsepower than the gearbox was rated for, and if your gonna be thrashing the gonads of it because you like the acceleration it probably wont last very long. I have seen this happen many times, people think the gearboxes are the same exept for ratios but they are not, the sun/planet gears and bearings are not as strong as vtr/vts gearboxes , a Rallye box on the otherhand should be able to cope as they are from a car with similar power as the vtr
  23. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2008 Down't road from Sheffield Posts: 4641 Was:16v 106 XS ..... Now: Import 1.8 MX5
    #23
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    Originally Posted by SnakeVTR View Post
    it probably wont last very long
    My 1.1 box lasted for over a year on a VTR engine, and over a year on a 16v, and that was used on track and 1/4 miles, lots. Was still fine at the end of that too, AFAIK, the only reason it didn't go longer was because I took the car off the road and broke it for spares, otherwise, i've no doubt it'd still be going now.


    With mechanical sympathy, they're not as weak as people make out.
  24. Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2011 Thorne+Grimsby Posts: 717 S2GTi / Megane cc
    #24
    Yes acceleration is nice to have, I think even the vts box is really low geared, I have a 50mile commute to work, mostly motorways and to sit at (a true) 75mph its revving at just over 4200rpm.
    My old pug 406 2.0 8 valve turbo would be sitting just under 3K at a true 80mph.
    I'll have to see what its like with the BE box when I get round to that.