remap on vtr

13th May 2012, 14:13

Hiya I have booked a mobile remap for my 1.6 8 valve vtr... Its 200 quid for the mobile remap where they come out to me! Is it worth the money and is it jus as good as being done on a rolling road? Also I am getting the limiter removed will this do damage becasue the engineer said it won't do any damage but I don't no what to think? Anyone??

13th May 2012, 14:19

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Originally Posted by littleblue1

Hiya I have booked a mobile remap for my 1.6 8 valve vtr... Its 200 quid for the mobile remap where they come out to me! Is it worth the money and is it jus as good as being done on a rolling road? Also I am getting the limiter removed will this do damage becasue the engineer said it won't do any damage but I don't no what to think? Anyone??

has it had any mods done to it that need mapped like a cam? other people may disagree but i dont think a remap alone will make big difference for the money, i may be wrong! im paying 300 for my map on a rolling road and timing done on my cams, as for the rev limiter not to sure, but someone on here will have an answer for you

13th May 2012, 14:24

I have an uprated cam 4-2-1 manifold, decat straight through exhaust, uprated fuel pressure regulator, air filter, stripped out, remap should I hope make a difference, I would put a vts in I but I'm pushing cammed vts/gti's :s wat else could I do to the little 8 valve engine?

13th May 2012, 14:26

When your saying your pushing Vts/Gti's cammed you mean that your sitting on there bumper when having fun?

13th May 2012, 14:27

a mobile remap will be a waste of money. it wont be specific to your engine, just a generic map loaded up. you'd be much better off getting it mapped on a rolling road

13th May 2012, 14:28

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Originally Posted by littleblue1

I have an uprated cam 4-2-1 manifold, decat straight through exhaust, uprated fuel pressure regulator, air filter, stripped out, remap should I hope make a difference, I would put a vts in I but I'm pushing cammed vts/gti's :s wat else could I do to the little 8 valve engine?

usually a map is needed after a cam is fitted, must be some vtr to keep up with a cammed s/gti

13th May 2012, 14:32

no word of a lie im sat next to them laughing at them. they take me after 100 coz my vtr slows down after 110 ish . u reakon it would be a waste of money tho? its jus easier than going somewhere due to me working everyday apart from sundays lool

13th May 2012, 14:33

Honestly i'am sat laughing at you.

13th May 2012, 14:42

cheers guys.

13th May 2012, 15:42

does the uprated regulator make much of a difference?? if so where and what is this off?

13th May 2012, 16:16

go somewhere to get it done and you might get some gains but mobile map wont take your mods into consideration so might not do anything. if u want more power then force induction or noz. looking between £1000-house deposit type of money depending on what u do really skys the limit with saxo's as they have been out for so long there is everything mod wise for them.

13th May 2012, 17:11

Pointless unless its custom to your car.
The fact you reckon your chasing down cammed Vts/Gti's is bollox. Even a 16v with breather mods would leave your vtr.

How much power do you reckon you have and will have?

Bare in mind my 8v cammed and bodies with headworked Rallye made 156bhp@7300rpm.

13th May 2012, 18:20

I'd definately take it to a Dyno to have it mapped, generic computer maps just aren't accurate enough. And I wouldn't remove the rev limiter, you would be much safer raising it to about 7k instead

13th May 2012, 18:25

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Originally Posted by littleblue1

Hiya I have booked a mobile remap for my 1.6 8 valve vtr... Its 200 quid for the mobile remap where they come out to me! Is it worth the money and is it jus as good as being done on a rolling road? Also I am getting the limiter removed will this do damage becasue the engineer said it won't do any damage but I don't no what to think? Anyone??

If you want to waste £200 then send me a cheque.

13th May 2012, 19:03

To be fair i had my Mk2 Vtr remapped, the only mods it has are a full 4-2-1 manifold and cda induction, i decided not to bother with fitting cams in the end. After having it remapped it felt more drivable and any niggling flat spots seemed to have gone. Went Santapod today and ran a 16.1 quarter mile which is pretty good for 8v id say. I wonder what it would run with some newmans ph3's fitted

13th May 2012, 19:41

I to am sitting here laughing at you

13th May 2012, 19:43

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Originally Posted by littleblue1

no word of a lie im sat next to them laughing at them. they take me after 100 coz my vtr slows down after 110 ish . u reakon it would be a waste of money tho? its jus easier than going somewhere due to me working everyday apart from sundays lool

13th May 2012, 20:27

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Originally Posted by jeffchiz

I to am sitting here laughing at you

Copy cat

Is funny though right?

13th May 2012, 20:48

Give Chipwizards a phone. Better than getting a mobile remap but at a price.

13th May 2012, 22:36

Can i remap my new tyres?

Hoping for good grip lines, guys!

Cheers.

14th May 2012, 05:49

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Originally Posted by SnakeVTR

To be fair i had my Mk2 Vtr remapped, the only mods it has are a full 4-2-1 manifold and cda induction, i decided not to bother with fitting cams in the end. After having it remapped it felt more drivable and any niggling flat spots seemed to have gone. Went Santapod today and ran a 16.1 quarter mile which is pretty good for 8v id say. I wonder what it would run with some newmans ph3's fitted

I ran 14.6 on concrete. Which is roughly a second slower than Santa Pod.

14th May 2012, 07:23

You keep up with cammed gti? What a load of bollocks. Give jeffchiz a race or tom5190 if you think you can keep with cammed 16vs. Dick.

14th May 2012, 09:30

To be fair.. When I had my 8v engine in, I had a race upto a ton with my mate who had 106 GTI / pt51 cams / full system remapped and built by PUG1OFF.

And he pulled 2-3 car length's 0-100mph.. He was as surprised as I was.. But he had full interior...

Mine was gutted..

Last time I mentioned this, All I got was 'must of been fucked' 'he wasn't trying' etc.

When it wasn't fucked - and he definitely WAS trying.

Now I've got a 16V in my car.. Yes it's abit faster - but not a whole world faster - If You put them at the side of each other, your talking a few second's difference - Which doesn't look that much.

But if trying to knock second's off a 1/4 mile time - it would take quite abit..

people here claiming they got 16 sec's etc in a 8v.. a half decent time for a 16v is 14-15.. So your talking 1-2 sec's difference over 1/4 mile / upto 80-90..

It's not a world of difference is it?

So I can easily see how people say they can keep with 16vs etc.

But if they was to mod their 8v to overtake a 16v.. It would take alot more than they think. (no boost.)

14th May 2012, 17:06

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Originally Posted by saxova

To be fair.. When I had my 8v engine in, I had a race upto a ton with my mate who had 106 GTI / pt51 cams / full system remapped and built by PUG1OFF.

And he pulled 2-3 car length's 0-100mph.. He was as surprised as I was.. But he had full interior...

Mine was gutted..

Last time I mentioned this, All I got was 'must of been fucked' 'he wasn't trying' etc.

When it wasn't fucked - and he definitely WAS trying.

Now I've got a 16V in my car.. Yes it's abit faster - but not a whole world faster - If You put them at the side of each other, your talking a few second's difference - Which doesn't look that much.

But if trying to knock second's off a 1/4 mile time - it would take quite abit..

people here claiming they got 16 sec's etc in a 8v.. a half decent time for a 16v is 14-15.. So your talking 1-2 sec's difference over 1/4 mile / upto 80-90..

It's not a world of difference is it?

So I can easily see how people say they can keep with 16vs etc.

But if they was to mod their 8v to overtake a 16v.. It would take alot more than they think. (no boost.)

You sure it was built by us with kent cams ?

2 seconds over 1/4 mile is alot. you can see 14 seconds with a lightweight saxo/106 with around 165-170hp.

a 206hp lightweight 106 we built gets 13's, thats only a second quicker.

I think 2 seconds difference on a 1/4 mile is a huge amount i was 2 seconds quicker than a corsa and it was a long way behind.

14th May 2012, 17:32

2 seconds over a 14 second quarter is approximately 15%. id call that a pretty significant amount

14th May 2012, 22:31

You can get about 135bhp from an 8v if you know how!

14th May 2012, 22:45

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Originally Posted by littleblue1

I have an uprated cam 4-2-1 manifold, decat straight through exhaust, uprated fuel pressure regulator, air filter, stripped out, remap should I hope make a difference, I would put a vts in I but I'm pushing cammed vts/gti's :s wat else could I do to the little 8 valve engine?

Deffo need a remap then.

14th May 2012, 22:49

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Originally Posted by harry289

You can get about 135bhp from an 8v if you know how!

or 160+ with the right cam, map and bodies - theres an engine on here that proves this. I'd reckon even 120 is stuggling though on standard injection setup depending on cam

14th May 2012, 22:55

Yeah. 1600cc Mk2 bottom, mk1 head, vts injectors, omex 600 ecu, panel filter exhaust system, sees around 133bhp. That's stock hatch spec. Not bad for 8v

14th May 2012, 22:59

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Originally Posted by harry289

Yeah. 1600cc Mk2 bottom, mk1 head, vts injectors, port and polish, omex 600 ecu, panel filter exhaust system, sees around 133bhp. That's stock hatch spec. Not bad for 8v

On the standard vtr cam? must be really good mapping and a top P&P job!

14th May 2012, 23:05

Yeah standard cam, Kent pulley.

14th May 2012, 23:07

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Originally Posted by harry289

You can get about 135bhp from an 8v if you know how!

Just like any engine you can get a shit load more than that out of an 8v tweeqd has 260+bhp out of his vtr'd ax

Dosent mean the op isnt a bit dillusional though

14th May 2012, 23:09

Im quite surprised at that figure though consider the stock hatch regulations and so on, wouldnt have thought they'd run that kind of power

14th May 2012, 23:13

Yeah they run just over 111bhp at the wheels.

14th May 2012, 23:20

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Originally Posted by harry289

Yeah. 1600cc Mk2 bottom, mk1 head, vts injectors, port and polish, omex 600 ecu, panel filter exhaust system, sees around 133bhp. That's stock hatch spec. Not bad for 8v

This is the stuff stock hatch teams dont let out and pass info around on lol. Hollow out the cat too so it looks like it has a cat for regs but flows freely. Its the blacktop head they use with the mk2 bottom end.

14th May 2012, 23:26

Why do they use the mk2 bottom end? Surely the 1.6 xsi one would be a better choice with its domed pistons to make a bit more compression. Saying that though the rallye s2 has slightly dished ones which I find strange

15th May 2012, 06:05

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Originally Posted by harry289

Yeah. 1600cc Mk2 bottom, mk1 head, vts injectors, port and polish, omex 600 ecu, panel filter exhaust system, sees around 133bhp. That's stock hatch spec. Not bad for 8v

Mine was near on 160bhp!

15th May 2012, 07:15

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Originally Posted by harry289

You can get about 135bhp from an 8v if you know how!

How? Lol throttle bodies and forged bits?

15th May 2012, 08:25

Just told you how lol. Read up

15th May 2012, 08:29

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Originally Posted by Mochachino

This is the stuff stock hatch teams dont let out and pass info around on lol. Hollow out the cat too so it looks like it has a cat for regs but flows freely. Its the blacktop head they use with the mk2 bottom end.

Well it's all on madmattracing 's stock hatch progress blog as well mate

yeah most use black top head on the 98bhp bottom end. Some don't.

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Originally Posted by Fish333

How? Lol throttle bodies and forged bits?

No lol

15th May 2012, 08:30

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Originally Posted by sje00

Mine was near on 160bhp!

But you have cams and bodies?

15th May 2012, 08:36

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Originally Posted by Fish333

How? Lol throttle bodies and forged bits?

Cammed and bodied with head work. A well set up engine.

15th May 2012, 08:40

Stock hatch rules state no removal of head material in the ports . you can skim the head and have 3 angle seat valves but thats all

manic

15th May 2012, 10:31

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Originally Posted by Karlb1

You keep up with cammed gti? What a load of bollocks. Give jeffchiz a race or tom5190 if you think you can keep with cammed 16vs. Dick.

You say this but when I had my GTI all it had was a full stainless steel with decat and it would sit on the ass of RX8's and Astra GSI's till around 90, I think sometimes you get those engines that are for some reason quick in comparison to others

15th May 2012, 13:13

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Originally Posted by Brettles1986

You say this but when I had my GTI all it had was a full stainless steel with decat and it would sit on the ass of RX8's and Astra GSI's till around 90, I think sometimes you get those engines that are for some reason quick in comparison to others

Well aren't you proving him right by saying how quick they are?

I had a little play with a wrx sti the other day when he was in front he couldnt pull away when i was in front he couldn't get in front of me that's probably the first car in 5 years if driving that I've played with that's worth mentioning

He must have felt gutted showing off the to girl in his passenger seat that I was on his tail in my saxo the first time he booted it off and every other time after that lol as I went past him I looked over and he just nodded at me, first time in a while I thought I'm not sick of my car

15th May 2012, 17:18

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Originally Posted by jeffchiz

Well aren't you proving him right by saying how quick they are?

I had a little play with a wrx sti the other day when he was in front he couldnt pull away when i was in front he couldn't get in front of me that's probably the first car in 5 years if driving that I've played with that's worth mentioning

He must have felt gutted showing off the to girl in his passenger seat that I was on his tail in my saxo the first time he booted it off and every other time after that lol as I went past him I looked over and he just nodded at me, first time in a while I thought I'm not sick of my car

Sam mate, I really dont think it was a WRX STI or he wasnt giving it his all.

A WRX STI has a 0-100 time of 12.9
A Standard VTS has a 0-100 time of 22.4

0-100 is the better stat to go by than a 0-60 as majority of people know.

Even though you have throttle bodies, it only mapped out at 155bhp max right? And even though midrange will have improved I dont think it would challenge a WRX STI. How much does your car weigh?

Toads light weight 106 was 785Kgs and 185bhp and that did a 0-60 in 5.2seconds which is only just on par with the wrx sti and that was with a huge spec!

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Originally Posted by Toad

Engine / Transmission:
1.4 XSi gearbox
Quaife ATB differential
Fully re-built TU5JP4 lump
Low friction big ends
Re-bored to 80mm
80mm Wossner Hi-Comp pistons (running 12.3:1 cr)
Forged conrods and ARP rod bolts
Modified head to accept bigger valves
Newman uprated valve springs
Newman 280 degree PH4 camshafts
AT Power iTBs with 90mm trumpets
Emerald management - 185bhp @ 7650rpm - 140lb/ft @ 6600rpm
306 GTi6 injectors
Peugeot Sport GrpA engine mounts
Helix Lightweight aluminum flywheel - 2.9kgs
Lightweight aluminum crank pulley
Mocal 13 row oil cooler
Lightweight fan
Autoglym catch tank - high performance

Puegeot Sport 2" exhaust system
Supersprint 421 manifold

15th May 2012, 17:27

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Originally Posted by Mochachino

Sam mate, I really dont think it was a WRX STI or he wasnt giving it his all.

A WRX STI has a 0-100 time of 12.9
A Standard VTS has a 0-100 time of 22.4

0-100 is the better stat to go by than a 0-60 as majority of people know.

Even though you have throttle bodies, it only mapped out at 155bhp max right? And even though midrange will have improved I dont think it would challenge a WRX STI. How much does your car weigh?

Toads light weight 106 was 785Kgs and 185bhp and that did a 0-60 in 5.2seconds which is only just on par with the wrx sti and that was with a huge spec!

Believe me if you saw the way he was driving he was going for it undertaking cars around round abouts when i was in front of him trying to drive sensibley he came flying up my rear with the dump valve singing with both went for it after a round about i pulled in to the slow lane to give him chance to pass he couldnt get past if anything it was him trying to get me to race, they have a power to weight ratio of 177bhp/tonne mine is 176bhp/tonne there is 1bhp per/tonne in it, i wouldnt have believed it myself, from what ive seen there is a non turbo and a 2 turbo versions; 215bhp and 261 bhp, the non turbo is vtr power so i would have dicked all over it so that rules that model not to mention you could hear the dump vavle from a mile away, it had to one of the others, even if it was a 215bhp model considering it has 4 wheel drive and just the fact its an imprezza i was impressed with how my saxo performed against it, but the facts are he WAS going for it, it Was a turbo model and it looked like an sti with the large boot spoiler as the wrx's have the little one, the badge on the back said sti lol when i pulled up by the side of him he just nodded at me as if to say well done lol

i suppose you could say it was down to him not being a good driver or not giving its full (but you can tell when some one is going for it, and the way he was driving he was going for it) but we were on a duel carridge way in a straight line there isnt much skill envovled in it, saying that i got around the round abouts quicker than him

oh it wieghs 880kgs and imprezza is 1475kg

also you got to remember we were already driving we weren't going from a standing start (which correct me if im wrong this is where the imprezza would have benefitted), so considering our power to weight is pretty much exactly the same, we were already travelling along at about 40/50mph and it was a dry day so even my car with shit tyres wouldnt have any problem accelerating, i wouldnt have thought there would be much in it

either way we'll leave it at that dont get me wrong i to am abit dubious about it all, im just saying what i saw lol

15th May 2012, 23:13

Got to admit I sat next to a bug eye wrx and an astray VXR on way to Atspeed one day. 50 to double. Shocked the feck out of me let alone the other drivers. Scoobies gf was a munter!

24th April 2014, 22:44

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Originally Posted by sje00

Scoobies gf was a munter!

haha critical information