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1. jamie1994 Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2012 Milton Keynes Posts: 196 saxo 1.1 desire, saxo vts, Subaru impreza

   #1 17th May 2012, 22:16

   i am new to the saxo community and need help, i have got a saxo 1.1 desire and want abit more power, i have read through some threads and say buy a vts or do a conversion. so i was thinking doing a conversion as 1.1's has a better chasis, so could someone help me?
2. Quick Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2003 United Kingdom (England) Posts: 7064

   #2 17th May 2012, 22:17

   Better off getting a Vts!
   
   Less hastle, easier to insure etc........
3. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

   #3 17th May 2012, 22:19

   1.1s have better chassis?
   
   Pretty sure they're all the same..
4. jamie1994 Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2012 Milton Keynes Posts: 196 saxo 1.1 desire, saxo vts, Subaru impreza

   #4 17th May 2012, 22:21

   thats what i was thinking as they are all pretty much the same cars, do you know how much it will be to insure a vts as im 18 years old?
5. Quick Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2003 United Kingdom (England) Posts: 7064

   #5 17th May 2012, 22:51

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by jamie1994 thats what i was thinking as they are all pretty much the same cars, do you know how much it will be to insure a vts as im 18 years old?

   No, as we have none of your details and are not meerkats!
6. Ali123 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt

   #6 17th May 2012, 22:52

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by jamie1994 thats what i was thinking as they are all pretty much the same cars, do you know how much it will be to insure a vts as im 18 years old?

   unless youve got your self 1 years ncb it will cost alot!
7. user_56440 Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2011 Bingley, West Yorkshire Posts: 190 GTI-6, Icelandic VTS

   #7 17th May 2012, 23:28

   Depends on where you live etc. I'm 23 and pay 1100 f/c with 4 years no claims but I am under a BD postcode which is a pretty bad area to get insured.
8. GeeDawg Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2012 Middlesex/Surrey Posts: 432 Saxo VTS MK1

   #8 18th May 2012, 07:04

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by jamie1994 thats what i was thinking as they are all pretty much the same cars, do you know how much it will be to insure a vts as im 18 years old?

   I think if your postcode is anywhere near a big city down south then your focked i pay 460 on a VTS and im 37 but i do live under a Croydon postcode so i get rinsed basically.
9. devilsadvocate Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2006 Maidstone Posts: 8210 Golf TDI

   #9 18th May 2012, 13:19

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Ali123 unless youve got your self 1 years ncb it will cost alot!

   And the rest.
   
   One years NCB will barely make a dent, cheap is sub £500.
10. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #10 18th May 2012, 13:33

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by devilsadvocate And the rest. One years NCB will barely make a dent, cheap is sub £500.

    aye im on 4 ncb and im 22 and its still nearly a grand
11. m4tt274 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2011 Doncaster Posts: 2627 Fabia VRS, mk1 fiesta + some others

    #11 18th May 2012, 14:18

    18 and a VTS is a no chance.
    VTR is only shy of a VTS but you could insure one.
    
    convert the 1.1 to a VTR.
    same year same parts as a rule. so what ever year your 1.1 is, find a VTR from the same thats had a rear smash or something and swap the front.
12. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

    #12 18th May 2012, 14:24

    Depends where you are and age though. I was 25 and insured a 182 with 0 ncb for £900
13. user_36198 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172

    #13 18th May 2012, 14:27

    we've been known to do the odd vts conversion here and there
14. jamie1994 Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2012 Milton Keynes Posts: 196 saxo 1.1 desire, saxo vts, Subaru impreza

    #14 18th May 2012, 17:52

    yeah i live in milton keynes what is quite a good area, its a 2003 car so its one of the newest ones
15. devilsadvocate Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2006 Maidstone Posts: 8210 Golf TDI

    #15 18th May 2012, 18:06

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mandyslover70 we've been known to do the odd vts conversion here and there

    Say whatttttt?
    
    Worth the drive to Jason, personal recommendation.
16. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

    #16 18th May 2012, 18:54

    best option would be to buy a cheap vtr engine - can be had for £50, take it to mandyslover to fit, dont bother telling insurance or dvla etc. as no one would ever know seeing as it looks identical to the standard engine.
    And then in a year or 2 when you build up a couple ncb, then buy a vts.
    
    At 18 years old, a vts will be expensive. Also i wouldnt want to do a vts conversion becuase:
    
    1) it'll still look turd as it wont have the vt bodykit/interior.
    2) i wouldnt want to risk driving around an undeclared 16valve engine incase you have an accident
    
    The only positive point about a conversion is that it'll make a good sleeper tbh
    also, they're all the same chassis lol

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17. jamie1994 Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2012 Milton Keynes Posts: 196 saxo 1.1 desire, saxo vts, Subaru impreza

    #17 18th May 2012, 21:43

    thanks mate how much will they charge me to fit? and i thought vtr's and vts's are pretty much the same?
18. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

    #18 18th May 2012, 21:59

    nope, vts is 16valve so more quicker, expensive on insurance, more on fuel, more on road tax
19. jamie1994 Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2012 Milton Keynes Posts: 196 saxo 1.1 desire, saxo vts, Subaru impreza

    #19 18th May 2012, 22:47

    ahh cheers mate so there is no point in me modding my 1.1, may aswell just buy a vts and mod that instead
20. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

    #20 18th May 2012, 22:54

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jamie1994 ahh cheers mate so there is no point in me modding my 1.1, may aswell just buy a vts and mod that instead

    Its all down to what you can afford which is why people go for the 1.4s, vtrs.
    
    Only thing is the vts can be thirsty on a good hoon, tax is and insurance may be abit
    
    ive got no points, crashes and 4ncbs and im paying 1k still...
21. saxo_singh Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2009 Birmingham Posts: 4289 02 VTR'd Furio, 07 Audi A4 Avant S Line

    #21 18th May 2012, 23:04

    I would just get the same engine out a peugeot 307 or 206 (1.6 16v) and tell insurance, will be way cheaper then telling them its a vts.
    
    Insurance figures for saxos put me of a few weeks ago.
    
    I'm 20
    1 ncb
    Average area
    3years driving
    £1550 fully comp on a audi a4 2 litre tdi s line avant, group insurance 29/50.
    My old saxo 1.4 was £1200 fully comp, can see now why I moved on from saxos.
22. jamie1994 Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2012 Milton Keynes Posts: 196 saxo 1.1 desire, saxo vts, Subaru impreza

    #22 18th May 2012, 23:21

    i might just go for a vtr then can i still put a vts engine in a vtr at a later date?
23. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

    #23 18th May 2012, 23:24

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jamie1994 i might just go for a vtr then can i still put a vts engine in a vtr at a later date?

    Yes you can.
24. jamie1994 Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2012 Milton Keynes Posts: 196 saxo 1.1 desire, saxo vts, Subaru impreza

    #24 18th May 2012, 23:29

    thats good as i will want a bigger engine, what about in a 1.4?
25. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

    #25 18th May 2012, 23:30

    i wouldnt spend money modding a 1.1 tbh or if you do, i wouldnt throw alot of money at it!
    
    may aswell start on a faster, better looking, better equipped base
    
    wait to get a 1.4 or 1.6 vtr and go crazy on that
26. jamie1994 Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2012 Milton Keynes Posts: 196 saxo 1.1 desire, saxo vts, Subaru impreza

    #26 18th May 2012, 23:34

    im thinking of a furio as they are not too expensive and i have the money saved up already, but can i put a vts engine in it as an when i want?
27. jamie1994 Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2012 Milton Keynes Posts: 196 saxo 1.1 desire, saxo vts, Subaru impreza

    #27 19th May 2012, 00:05

    i will upgrade to a 1.4 then if you can put a vts engine in it
28. saxo_singh Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2009 Birmingham Posts: 4289 02 VTR'd Furio, 07 Audi A4 Avant S Line

    #28 19th May 2012, 00:15

    You sound so desperate to run a vts engine lol believe me there not as quick as people say, unless you spend money on cams, mapping, throttle bodies etc then they will be quick.
29. jamie1994 Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2012 Milton Keynes Posts: 196 saxo 1.1 desire, saxo vts, Subaru impreza

    #29 19th May 2012, 00:23

    yeah people make them sound amazing
30. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

    #30 19th May 2012, 00:29

    Tbh the first week/2 i went from a 1.0 16v car. i grinned like nothing! seriously i blipped the throttle i had a seizure. fun!
    
    nearly 6 months on it feels slow but thats like anything, you get used to its power. get it passed 4 to 6.5k and its whips a smile on. does me anyway
31. jamie1994 Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2012 Milton Keynes Posts: 196 saxo 1.1 desire, saxo vts, Subaru impreza

    #31 19th May 2012, 00:32

    yeah i just want a decent pretty fast car to have fun instead of a 1.1
32. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

    #32 19th May 2012, 00:39

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jamie1994 yeah i just want a decent pretty fast car to have fun instead of a 1.1

    
    
    they are snail slow like haha.
33. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

    #33 19th May 2012, 01:28

    i had a vtr as my first car at 17
    i was a hero compared to everyone else with 1.1's and 1.2's lol
    
    oh those were the days ....
34. KrazyDayz L-plater Joined: Oct 2011 Liverpool Posts: 87 182 cup - 1.1 clio - saxo VTR - Aprilia

    #34 19th May 2012, 10:58

    a VTR costs more to insure than my 172 and my 182 cup..
    
    i pay £160pm on a VTR and £111/£120 on the clio's
    
    dd40*
    
    an the 1.1 has rear drum brakes.
35. Beaniemoo Established Member Joined: Oct 2008 Milton Keynes Posts: 1210 Yellow 106 Rallye

    #35 19th May 2012, 11:04

    We are in Milton Keynes and do a few engine conversions.
    Also have a Vts up for sale

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36. Mikehardy-vtr L-plater Joined: Nov 2011 Kendal Posts: 36

    #36 19th May 2012, 11:57

    Im 19 and paying 1300 on a vtr/s and iv had declared the engine swap, i just havent got the money to declare the throttle bodies i just put on just yet so at the moment if i get pulled and the police check the car over i will probably get shafted
    
    if you really want to do the conversion take it to someone on here as pretty much everyone that offers it has a very good knowledge of what they are doing
37. jamie1994 Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2012 Milton Keynes Posts: 196 saxo 1.1 desire, saxo vts, Subaru impreza

    #37 19th May 2012, 15:03

    yeah because im 18 and only just passed so vts and vtr is out of the question really so 1.4s are my only option
38. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

    #38 19th May 2012, 15:49

    a 1.4 westcoast or furio is definitely a better option than a 1.1
    has the vt bodykit and sometimes better interior too (if its a later furio)
39. A_Whit Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2010 Ilkley Posts: 119 citroen c2 vts

    #39 19th May 2012, 15:59

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LSOfreak best option would be to buy a cheap vtr engine - can be had for £50, take it to mandyslover to fit, dont bother telling insurance or dvla etc. as no one would ever know seeing as it looks identical to the standard engine. And then in a year or 2 when you build up a couple ncb, then buy a vts. At 18 years old, a vts will be expensive. Also i wouldnt want to do a vts conversion becuase: 1) it'll still look turd as it wont have the vt bodykit/interior. 2) i wouldnt want to risk driving around an undeclared 16valve engine incase you have an accident The only positive point about a conversion is that it'll make a good sleeper tbh also, they're all the same chassis lol

    But if you do crash and insurance checks and does discover a 1.6 8v conversion you will get distroyed
40. mlawlan69 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2010 leeds Posts: 4389 MCS R53 S/C 16v furiooo

    #40 19th May 2012, 16:18

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by A_Whit But if you do crash and insurance checks and does discover a 1.6 8v conversion you will get distroyed

    this is true, BUT they are practically identical only the airboxes look different IIRC they are hardly going to RR it to check its power
41. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

    #41 19th May 2012, 16:53

    they look literally identical
    how would an assessor know its a 1.6 or 1.1 lol
42. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

    #42 19th May 2012, 16:56

    Or they could look at the code on the side of the engine?
43. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

    #43 19th May 2012, 17:50

    chances of that are quite slim from what ive seen though. It is a risk yeah but from my experience, the assessor usually only opens the bonnet to see if the chassis legs bent...
44. jamie1994 Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2012 Milton Keynes Posts: 196 saxo 1.1 desire, saxo vts, Subaru impreza

    #44 19th May 2012, 23:15

    il just buy a furio as that seems the cheaper and easier option do you know if the furio has a vt bodykit?
45. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #45 19th May 2012, 23:19

    Yes it dose
46. jamie1994 Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2012 Milton Keynes Posts: 196 saxo 1.1 desire, saxo vts, Subaru impreza

    #46 19th May 2012, 23:28

    thats good just need to save my pemmies now
47. jamie1994 Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2012 Milton Keynes Posts: 196 saxo 1.1 desire, saxo vts, Subaru impreza

    #47 19th May 2012, 23:28

    i meant pennies
48. user_55309 Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2011 milton keynes Posts: 164 saxo vtr (mk 2)

    #48 21st May 2012, 01:51

    vtr is a good engine and being 18 you would so put a vts into a wall to be honest mate drop a furio in the its easy as anything if u need it done pm me
49. Cam Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2010 Kent Posts: 8439 Gen 7 Celica 190.

    #49 21st May 2012, 03:01

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hobers4 vtr is a good engine and being 18 you would so put a vts into a wall to be honest mate drop a furio in the its easy as anything if u need it done pm me

    Be a waste of time a money..
50. user_55309 Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2011 milton keynes Posts: 164 saxo vtr (mk 2)

    #50 22nd May 2012, 18:18

    yea just buy a vtr when u have a years ncb lol mine costs 1600 for my vtr with 1 year ncb