remap tomorrow

1. slimwiltaz Established Member Joined: Dec 2011 co durham Posts: 1150 cammed saxo vts(not any more) leon cupra

   #1 28th May 2012, 21:40

   yo, just thought i would hoy this thread up, as title, cars in for map, looking forward to the results before and after. will post pics up of graphs tomorrow good or bad
2. Gordzilla Established Member Joined: Mar 2007 Edinburgh Posts: 2369

   #2 28th May 2012, 22:22

   What ECU and what engine mods you running ?
3. devilsadvocate Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2006 Maidstone Posts: 8210 Golf TDI

   #3 29th May 2012, 07:38

   Who is mapping it?
4. slimwiltaz Established Member Joined: Dec 2011 co durham Posts: 1150 cammed saxo vts(not any more) leon cupra

   #4 29th May 2012, 10:04

   just the standard 3 plug ecu.... 4 branch mani, decat enclosed induction kit and cat cams 743. just basic really. its getting done at automarc at stoksley. he told me i wont get full power because i didn't use v power gutted now just didn't think it would make a huge difference.
5. Spuddy09 Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2011 Derbyshire Posts: 125 Saxo 1.6 VTS Blue

   #5 29th May 2012, 10:20

   How much bhp does a remap add to a VTS?
6. slimwiltaz Established Member Joined: Dec 2011 co durham Posts: 1150 cammed saxo vts(not any more) leon cupra

   #6 29th May 2012, 10:22

   not much. the mapping is mainly because of the cams ive had fitted, they need timed in and fueling ect set up
7. Spuddy09 Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2011 Derbyshire Posts: 125 Saxo 1.6 VTS Blue

   #7 29th May 2012, 10:24

   How much r cams? And wha bhp do they add. Just put a VTS engine into my saxo. Intreged on what to do next
8. slimwiltaz Established Member Joined: Dec 2011 co durham Posts: 1150 cammed saxo vts(not any more) leon cupra

   #8 29th May 2012, 11:15

   well the cams i got were the cat cams 743's which were 300pound http://www.kamracing.co.uk/citroen/c...s-1321743.html then getting them fitted costed 120, i also changed the cam belt and water pump at the same time. than after that the map is costing 300. its just a guessing game what bhp its going to be running, alot of people get different results
9. Tom5190 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 Someones Bumhole Posts: 5721 Mk2 16v Desire

   #9 30th May 2012, 11:42

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by slimwiltaz just the standard 3 plug ecu.... 4 branch mani, decat enclosed induction kit and cat cams 743. just basic really. its getting done at automarc at stoksley. he told me i wont get full power because i didn't use v power gutted now just didn't think it would make a huge difference.

   Dosent make a huge different with that spec really i wouldnt worry. What did it make?
10. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #10 30th May 2012, 12:40

    His figures are I be taken with a pinch of salt as his dyno is meant to over read a bit, but the quality/drive and feel of his work is highly reccomended
    
    But yeah, what did it make??
11. Tom5190 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 Someones Bumhole Posts: 5721 Mk2 16v Desire

    #11 1st June 2012, 02:49

    Come on man what did it make!?

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12. slimwiltaz Established Member Joined: Dec 2011 co durham Posts: 1150 cammed saxo vts(not any more) leon cupra

    #12 1st June 2012, 12:24

    yo, thanks to blackie recommending his work i can say he has done a good job going of the feel of the car. defo an increase in power and i have a nicer idle lol. but yeah blackie may be right in the rollers as it came out with 162.6bhp
13. sje00 Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 136 Peugeot 106 Rallye Turbo 385bhp

    #13 1st June 2012, 12:54

    I'd say realistically your looking at 155bhp there.
    Good to hear it idles an drives nicely! That's the difference between a good map and a bad map!
14. baker556 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2007 127.0.0.1 Posts: 4826 oem+ sax

    #14 1st June 2012, 13:04

    162 !
    
    Thats quick.
15. user_10176 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 Ramsey st marys, peterborough Posts: 8288 Saxo's, Corsa (Daily)

    #15 1st June 2012, 13:07

    main thing is how the power cuvres and torque cuvres look like than peak power, but seem a good result, any chance for a dyno graph? nice to see what it doing though the rev range.
16. MuZiZZle Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2011 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 7779 Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5

    #16 1st June 2012, 13:58

    I think I need a remap!
17. unreal106 Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 Dudley Posts: 1634 106 GTI

    #17 1st June 2012, 13:59

    get them graphs up!!!!!!!!!!!
18. MuZiZZle Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2011 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 7779 Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5

    #18 1st June 2012, 14:03

    Mine idles like my Subaru did!

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19. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #19 1st June 2012, 15:54

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by baker556 162 ! Thats quick.

    its also wrong lol not slating the guys car at all its been pointed out that the road over reads, people say northampton over reads where my car was dynod at 155bhp on 708's and jenveys, tom5190's car on 743's was dyno'd at 151bhp
    
    theres bugger all difference between our cars, mine just sounds the tits lol
    
    hope you enjoy driving the car mate you will love it whatever the bhp figure is
20. slimwiltaz Established Member Joined: Dec 2011 co durham Posts: 1150 cammed saxo vts(not any more) leon cupra

    #20 1st June 2012, 16:28

    thanks guys yeah im really happy with the car, felt good to have it back done, been waiting a while for it to be cammed and mapped. ill get some photos up for you, couple of mins.
21. slimwiltaz Established Member Joined: Dec 2011 co durham Posts: 1150 cammed saxo vts(not any more) leon cupra

    #21 1st June 2012, 16:42

    
    
    
    
22. slimwiltaz Established Member Joined: Dec 2011 co durham Posts: 1150 cammed saxo vts(not any more) leon cupra

    #22 1st June 2012, 16:44

    in case any ones wondering the 2 orange lines (the ones lower down) is the bhp before and after the map, and the others the torque.
23. m4tt274 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2011 Doncaster Posts: 2627 Fabia VRS, mk1 fiesta + some others

    #23 1st June 2012, 17:20

    its ALOT more grunty! wow
24. JoshB Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Pontefract Posts: 4007 2010 E92 320i MSport

    #24 1st June 2012, 17:40

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jeffchiz its also wrong lol not slating the guys car at all its been pointed out that the road over reads, people say northampton over reads where my car was dynod at 155bhp on 708's and jenveys, tom5190's car on 743's was dyno'd at 151bhp theres bugger all difference between our cars, mine just sounds the tits lol hope you enjoy driving the car mate you will love it whatever the bhp figure is

    To be fair, it looks about 145bhp "before", which ain't too far out for a cammed 16v, about 5bhp. So knock 5bhp off the "after", 157bhp. Which I'd say is about right for a well mapped VTS. Which automark have a good reputation.
    
    Maybe the guy you and Tom took your cars to just isn't that good at mapping? Just food for thought.
25. MuZiZZle Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2011 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 7779 Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5

    #25 1st June 2012, 19:01

    My Cammed, unmapped VTS made 141 on the rollers at XO in cramlington and they're supposed to be quite accurate, so that could be right
26. slimwiltaz Established Member Joined: Dec 2011 co durham Posts: 1150 cammed saxo vts(not any more) leon cupra

    #26 1st June 2012, 19:45

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MuZiZZle My Cammed, unmapped VTS made 141 on the rollers at XO in cramlington and they're supposed to be quite accurate, so that could be right

    are you going to get yours in for a map matey?
27. MuZiZZle Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2011 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 7779 Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5

    #27 1st June 2012, 20:29

    Yeah I think do mate
    
    Might as well get it running to its best potential!
    
    You need to take me out in yours!
    
    Mini meet somewhere?
    
    You going to FCS?
28. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #28 1st June 2012, 20:49

    There's a big meet at dalton park near end of month, youse should pop down
    
    I'll be going down like, Leeroy and few others as well, nemm anniversary meet or something lol
29. unreal106 Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 Dudley Posts: 1634 106 GTI

    #29 1st June 2012, 21:49

    nice figures
    
    were did you get it mapped have you got there details ?
30. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #30 1st June 2012, 22:09

    http://www.automarkuk.com/index.php
31. Tom5190 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 Someones Bumhole Posts: 5721 Mk2 16v Desire

    #31 1st June 2012, 22:24

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JoshB To be fair, it looks about 145bhp "before", which ain't too far out for a cammed 16v, about 5bhp. So knock 5bhp off the "after", 157bhp. Which I'd say is about right for a well mapped VTS. Which automark have a good reputation. Maybe the guy you and Tom took your cars to just isn't that good at mapping? Just food for thought.

    Ours were mapped at different place's we just have a power graph from northampton to compare. Troy is an excellent mapper, that £20million odd ferrari from goodwood that the pink floyd drummer owns was on there rolling road not so long ago, they charge over £100 an hour lol!
    
    What were you wheel figures matey? fly figures are pretty pointless, theres a kid on here had his reading 165hp but only 122whp which is obviously outrageous.
    
    Bhp figures are a constant bitch and as andy said its all about the curve/area under that curve (however peak figures that are inaccurate do mess that around) but most of all its about the drive. Hope you enjoy it matey i have heard good things about the quality of that place
    
    Edit: whats going on with the revs looks like standard limit?? and your peak is at 6755rpm
32. MuZiZZle Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2011 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 7779 Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5

    #32 1st June 2012, 23:23

    What is the standard limit?
33. Tom5190 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 Someones Bumhole Posts: 5721 Mk2 16v Desire

    #33 1st June 2012, 23:23

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MuZiZZle What is the standard limit?

    7250rpm
34. user_43898 Established Member Joined: May 2010 leicester Posts: 1446 Clio 182 Inferno

    #34 2nd June 2012, 00:01

    im begining to think that bhp doent mean anything, my vtr read out at 105bhp and 135nm torque on dyno but the power curve was very nice all the way to 5500rpm then it dips off, but still beat a few vts down santapod, whether its down to the driver, i would have thought a vts would pull past a vtr regardless
35. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #35 2nd June 2012, 13:28

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JoshB To be fair, it looks about 145bhp "before", which ain't too far out for a cammed 16v, about 5bhp. So knock 5bhp off the "after", 157bhp. Which I'd say is about right for a well mapped VTS. Which automark have a good reputation. Maybe the guy you and Tom took your cars to just isn't that good at mapping? Just food for thought.

    LOL have you ever seen Northampton motorspt? They are very good at what they do, on a side note you can eat your dinner off their floors the place is immacclate as tom said I paid £108 per hour there for mapping, I know there hourly rate and cleaniliness dosent have to mean they are good but there is a reason why they are expensive, all of pug1off builds go there for mapping, and the amount of ridiculously priced cars they work on there is good indication that they are trustworthy! It's not just some dyno in a shed like some roads..