Turbo manifold problems ! :(

1. clubbz Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2009 Shropshire Posts: 454 Black Saxo VTR

   #1 29th May 2012, 15:41

   Well Recently ive bought a cituning turbo manifold as i thought the t2 would just fit straight on and sit correctly then all i would have to do is have a downpipe made and that would be it but as i went to get it made today as we lifted the manifold up with the turbo on it there seems to be no space if you have it on the way most people have it with the downpipe on the left hand side the actuator arm hits the gear box and wont even sit completely against the head and the other way there is no way youd get a down pipe in there and the actuator is sitting so close to radiator. My last hope that i can see is possibly spinning the turbo around to see if i can get the actuator to miss the gearbox?
   Ill try get pictures in a minute as i go out and try and turn it around...
   Sorry if this doesnt make sense :s
   Any advice help will be much appreciated!
2. user_35090 Established Member Joined: Jun 2009 west mids (dudley) Posts: 1201 cammed 106 flatty

   #2 29th May 2012, 16:18

   Dont panic mate there are solutions which will work.
   
   Firstly you can buy a 106/saxo diesel radiator. this allows you to move the rad closer to the front bumper, Giving you more space. but means having the turbo the opposite way. it is doable and wont affect much, especially if your having custom D/P made up.
   
   The easier and cheaper option is going to be to alter the actuator bracket. you can undo the bolts that hold the bracket onto the turbo, then modify the bracket. i.e make it shorter or bend it etc so it clears the gearbox.
   
   be careful if you bend the actuator bracket though, as you will have to cut the actuator rod down to suit as it might affect how the turbo holds the boost in.

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3. clubbz Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2009 Shropshire Posts: 454 Black Saxo VTR

   #3 29th May 2012, 23:11

   Cheers for the reply mate! And it just gets frustrating when you think your buying something to cause you self less problems then it just causes new ones! I've been looking at it tonight I'm going to get my dad to fabricate a custom actuator bracket of somewhere and extend the arm looks like turboing really is as hard as it looks!!
4. e8_pqck Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2010 Midlands Posts: 2530 AX 16v Turbo

   #4 29th May 2012, 23:51

   First of many issues! Its fun working through the problems. On my first turbo engine I had to go to scrappys and find a smaller alternator then fab up a bracket and find a smaller belt to fit. Just measure twice and cut once!

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5. clubbz Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2009 Shropshire Posts: 454 Black Saxo VTR

   #5 30th May 2012, 00:30

   Was that to get the downpipe to fit?
6. user_35090 Established Member Joined: Jun 2009 west mids (dudley) Posts: 1201 cammed 106 flatty

   #6 30th May 2012, 01:13

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by e8_pqck First of many issues! Its fun working through the problems. On my first turbo engine I had to go to scrappys and find a smaller alternator then fab up a bracket and find a smaller belt to fit. Just measure twice and cut once!

   
   Indeed and the only way to learn is to do it yourself. problems are gunna crop up during the build. Just have a very good think and consider every option you have, then go from there.
7. NismoSteve Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2011 Thorne+Grimsby Posts: 717 S2GTi / Megane cc

   #7 30th May 2012, 05:51

   You even get problems like this on cars that came with turbos as standard, aftermarket manifolds and huge turbos call for new solutions for creating space. Used to get it all the time with nissans and toyotas, you just have to be creative really.

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8. xxo0pko0xx Established Member Joined: May 2009 cleethorpes, Lincolnshire Posts: 1830 Astra 2006 (55) 1.9 cdti 150 sri 192hp 322ftlb

   #8 30th May 2012, 06:40

   as steve said pal. personally id do both. youll need extra cooling running boost
9. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

   #9 30th May 2012, 07:44

   won't work with that turbo unless you get the flange cut off offset on an angle of 45 degrees so the turbo clears the gearbox even then you will need to rotate the cartridge so it is straight for the oil feed and return to be level.
   
   
   Will need a saab fittment turbo with the usual 4 bolt top mount flange and 3 bolt down pipe flange that will; fit fine, been there done that found this out 5 years ago

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10. NismoSteve Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2011 Thorne+Grimsby Posts: 717 S2GTi / Megane cc

    #10 30th May 2012, 08:59

    So are those cituning manifolds no good for larger applications, something like a GT28RS?
11. user_35090 Established Member Joined: Jun 2009 west mids (dudley) Posts: 1201 cammed 106 flatty

    #11 30th May 2012, 09:12

    ive just thought how the cituning mani throws the turbo over more to the right, rather that in the middle where there is space between mani and the block. bit of a fucker that
    
    looks like a new turbo then clubbz.
12. clubbz Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2009 Shropshire Posts: 454 Black Saxo VTR

    #12 30th May 2012, 09:59

    This makes me sad
13. clubbz Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2009 Shropshire Posts: 454 Black Saxo VTR

    #13 30th May 2012, 10:08

    Cheers for all the help guys before i buy a new turbo though im going to get some one to cut the flange off and twist it as gav said as this a lot easier an cheaper than going turbo hunting again Thankyou for the help again guys
14. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #14 30th May 2012, 13:44

    cituning manifolds can't take the usual fittment turbos NismoSteve BUT you can the usual spec turbos built into the right housings to suit the manifold if that makes sense td04s/5s can be had easy enough

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15. user_35090 Established Member Joined: Jun 2009 west mids (dudley) Posts: 1201 cammed 106 flatty

    #15 30th May 2012, 14:07

    Pretty sure theres a td05 for sale on here.
16. NismoSteve Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2011 Thorne+Grimsby Posts: 717 S2GTi / Megane cc

    #16 30th May 2012, 14:09

    I think sexy_gt was selling one off his scoob for £100 if I remember right?
17. dannygti Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 dudley United Kingdom (England) Posts: 6790 106 gti/ SEAT LCR

    #17 30th May 2012, 14:29

    td05 is a pretty hefty turbo for a 1.6. make sure the rest of the spec is up to the job or its pointless. no good fitting a 360hp turbo if your going to run low boost and 180bhp lol.
    
    i doubt VERY much youd fit a gt28rs or similar in with the cituning manifold as it will hit the box.

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18. NismoSteve Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2011 Thorne+Grimsby Posts: 717 S2GTi / Megane cc

    #18 30th May 2012, 14:32

    Yeah its getting a bit serious that really isn't it. Probably nice and laggy too. Sorry to hijack but whose manifold would recommend for a 28rs Danny?
19. user_35090 Established Member Joined: Jun 2009 west mids (dudley) Posts: 1201 cammed 106 flatty

    #19 30th May 2012, 14:52

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NismoSteve I think sexy_gt was selling one off his scoob for £100 if I remember right?

    yea i was thinking of him when i wrote it. big turbo though as danny says.
    
    personally id fit a gt17, it fits right on, and you can get the cituning downpipe for £165.00 better than faffing around with a custom job as i found out - unless you can weld yourself or can get a mate to do it. its alot of aggro.
20. clubbz Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2009 Shropshire Posts: 454 Black Saxo VTR

    #20 30th May 2012, 19:40

    I was looking at the TD turbo but i thought surely that would only cause me problems on a low boost setup as id have lag and im not sure if it would force to much pressure through my car when it hits boost ? So im going to try and adapt the flange as gav said and if this doesnt work i think ill save and go for a bigger build but hopefully i can get my smaller build working!
21. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #21 30th May 2012, 20:01

    What Gav means is there is tdo4 at gt17/gt25 variant turbos that are designed the same as the cituning type 3 bolt turbo
    
    Mostly found on saabs tbh
    
    But lots of cars run them, obviously all spec are diff, by there are plenty turbos out there to fit your manifold
22. e8_pqck Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2010 Midlands Posts: 2530 AX 16v Turbo

    #22 30th May 2012, 21:12

    I run a td04, excellent low boost turbo, instant response and cheap as chips. They are a little small for the scoobys but are a good size for a 1.6. Very strong too.
23. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #23 30th May 2012, 21:43

    The tdo4 that's in the fitment for his set up won't be the same spec as those
    
    But still be a decent turbo for a vtr
24. clubbz Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2009 Shropshire Posts: 454 Black Saxo VTR

    #24 30th May 2012, 22:30

    blackie out of curiosity you were running a t25 right ? how much more pressure could you of pushed out of it or was it running pretty high duty?
25. NismoSteve Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2011 Thorne+Grimsby Posts: 717 S2GTi / Megane cc

    #25 30th May 2012, 22:36

    My first Nissan s13 had a t25 as stock, fmic and upped the boosted to 17psi with fuel cut removed. It loved it. That's about maxed though.
    I loved that car pre facelift, cheap as chips mods and could blow much more expensive and classier machinery.
26. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #26 31st May 2012, 08:35

    I ran t25 from an s13
    
    Those t25's run 7-10psi standard... Can be pushed to 17/18, but that's high boost, supposed to get a 360 degree thrust bearing fitted if you want to run them that high
    
    I never like, just means you'll kill the turbo sooner then you would have
    
    
    If you eBay Saab gt17 or gt25.., find some with pics, the exhaust housings must have a three bolt type flange, those should fit a cituning manifold and downpipe, job done