Saxo 1.0i and VTR conversion questions?

10th June 2012, 18:19

Sorry in advance if the answers have already been posted guys.

Just bought my son 2 Saxo's, a solid S reg 1 ltr and an MOT faliure 1.6 VTR on the same year. What I wanna know is, are there any stud conversion kits so that I can put the VTR 4 studs onto the 3 stud 1ltr, if not, how easy would it be to swap hubs over, and would I need to swap the rear subframes over?

2, I have taken off the body kit off the VTR, whats the best way to fix it onto the 1 ltr?

and finally, I would like to swap the dash clocks over as the VTR has a temp gauge and rev counter, is this a big job? No haynes manual, so any tips before I get stuck in would be much appreciated guys.

Thanks in advance. :-)

Reegs

10th June 2012, 18:24

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Originally Posted by Reegs

Sorry in advance if the answers have already been posted guys.

Just bought my son 2 Saxo's, a solid S reg 1 ltr and an MOT faliure 1.6 VTR on the same year. What I wanna know is, are there any stud conversion kits so that I can put the VTR 4 studs onto the 3 stud 1ltr, if not, how easy would it be to swap hubs over, and would I need to swap the rear subframes over?

2, I have taken off the body kit off the VTR, whats the best way to fix it onto the 1 ltr?

and finally, I would like to swap the dash clocks over as the VTR has a temp gauge and rev counter, is this a big job? No haynes manual, so any tips before I get stuck in would be much appreciated guys.

Thanks in advance. :-)

Reegs

Body kit is a guide somewhere.
I'm pretty sure you can just change the hubs.
And just do an full loom swap including interior

10th June 2012, 18:26

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Originally Posted by wadoryu

Body kit is a guide somewhere.
I'm pretty sure you can just change the hubs.
And just do an full loom swap including interior

Guide for body kit
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55973

10th June 2012, 18:53

Why not put the VTr engine in the 1litre, and struts (& suspension & Brakes) and rear axle. Without putting a kit on so it'd be a sleeper

10th June 2012, 19:41

Are you doing a mk1 to mk2 dial conversion? You need to strip the loom out of the VTR and get some spade connectors, there is a guide for the wiring diagram, also you will need to hook the rev counter up, there is a guide for that too. As for the body kit you can take one of two routes:

1) Shit loads of tiger seal (that's what I did)
2) Get some clips from citroen and try to do it their way

I found the first way easier. Where abouts are you? I could give you a hand with the dials

10th June 2012, 20:58

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Originally Posted by lewismonteith

Are you doing a mk1 to mk2 dial conversion? You need to strip the loom out of the VTR and get some spade connectors, there is a guide for the wiring diagram, also you will need to hook the rev counter up, there is a guide for that too. As for the body kit you can take one of two routes:

1) Shit loads of tiger seal (that's what I did)
2) Get some clips from citroen and try to do it their way

I found the first way easier. Where abouts are you? I could give you a hand with the dials

Hi mate

We are in Norfolk.
No, both cars are mark 1's on an s reg...its just that the 1ltr dosent have a temp gauge on the dash as such, so thought I would try and swap them over if it aint too much of a job.
The Tiger seal job sounds good to me..;-)

11th June 2012, 08:54

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Originally Posted by Reegs

Hi mate

We are in Norfolk.
No, both cars are mark 1's on an s reg...its just that the 1ltr dosent have a temp gauge on the dash as such, so thought I would try and swap them over if it aint too much of a job.
The Tiger seal job sounds good to me..;-)

I did mk1 to mk2 so I had to change the wiring looms, if they're both mk1's I'm pretty sure the connectors are the same. Take the dials out and check, they should both be 5 long connectors instead of two smaller ones.

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=177153

^^ This is the guide I followed for the rev counter, sounds confusing but I'm a complete beginner when it comes to mechanics but I managed! As for the temp gauge I have no idea, I haven't found anything on here but I would love to know how!

I VT kitted about a month ago and only used tiger seal apart from the side skirts and all is well, nothing has peeled off and I do a lot of motorway driving, it's all do-able yourself man. Check out the guides on here they're really helpful!

I live in Portsmouth and I'm guessing thats really far from Norfolk

11th June 2012, 13:02

to convert to 4 stud you will use the struts/arb/wishbones off the vtr and simply bolt them on the 1.1, and for the rear, the disc beam will bolt straight on, you will also need to the use the vtr handbrake cables, might as well just fit the vtr engine while your at it, weekends job if you have the tools/know how

id also fit the vtr interior (more supportive seats)

id persionally keep the exterior standard and not fit the vt kit, flat arches can look really good with a few little touches

got any pics??

11th June 2012, 13:07

Don't the the OP will want his (i presume) 17 year old new driver, to have a illegal engine swap / extra power...

I assume he got the 1.1 as it's cheap on insurance / running cost's.. But liked the styling of the VT's.. So want's to swap it all over so it look's the part, but keeping cheap insurance.

11th June 2012, 13:39

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Originally Posted by saxova

Don't the the OP will want his (i presume) 17 year old new driver, to have a illegal engine swap / extra power...

I assume he got the 1.1 as it's cheap on insurance / running cost's.. But liked the styling of the VT's.. So want's to swap it all over so it look's the part, but keeping cheap insurance.

Exactly what I did with mine, declaring the mods is far cheaper than engine swapping or having a VTR/S. About 3 grand cheaper

11th June 2012, 14:33

wouldnt it be easier to just drop the 1ltr into the vts?

however i suppose its down to what state th vtr is?

15th June 2012, 13:18

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Originally Posted by lewismonteith

I did mk1 to mk2 so I had to change the wiring looms, if they're both mk1's I'm pretty sure the connectors are the same. Take the dials out and check, they should both be 5 long connectors instead of two smaller ones.

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=177153

^^ This is the guide I followed for the rev counter, sounds confusing but I'm a complete beginner when it comes to mechanics but I managed! As for the temp gauge I have no idea, I haven't found anything on here but I would love to know how!

I VT kitted about a month ago and only used tiger seal apart from the side skirts and all is well, nothing has peeled off and I do a lot of motorway driving, it's all do-able yourself man. Check out the guides on here they're really helpful!

I live in Portsmouth and I'm guessing thats really far from Norfolk

Thanks for all the info mate, I really appreciate it. yeah Portsmouth is a tad too far. :-/

15th June 2012, 13:21

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Originally Posted by jeffchiz

to convert to 4 stud you will use the struts/arb/wishbones off the vtr and simply bolt them on the 1.1, and for the rear, the disc beam will bolt straight on, you will also need to the use the vtr handbrake cables, might as well just fit the vtr engine while your at it, weekends job if you have the tools/know how

id also fit the vtr interior (more supportive seats)

id persionally keep the exterior standard and not fit the vt kit, flat arches can look really good with a few little touches

got any pics??

That info was very handy..thanks. Yeah all the VTR is there, but seems to have rust on just about every hard to get to part of the car lol, plus the insurance is about £500 more for the VTR for my son, so all show and no go is the way to go for now me thinks. :-)

15th June 2012, 13:52

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Originally Posted by jeffchiz

to convert to 4 stud you will use the struts/arb/wishbones off the vtr and simply bolt them on the 1.1, and for the rear, the disc beam will bolt straight on, you will also need to the use the vtr handbrake cables, might as well just fit the vtr engine while your at it, weekends job if you have the tools/know how

id also fit the vtr interior (more supportive seats)

id persionally keep the exterior standard and not fit the vt kit, flat arches can look really good with a few little touches

got any pics??

Sorry, forgot to add pics.

The 2 cars togeather.

Rear of the 1 ltr...yeah I know about the index number, Ive already ripped the wee wee out of the boy about it. lol

More pics of the VTR

Interior shots of the 1 ltr

Interior shot of the VTR, just needs a clean, but drivers side bolster is in pretty good nick. Paid £250 for the VTR with half a tank of petrol. Vame with them Lexus style lights..bonus.

Got the boy a mark 2 tail gate with spoiler off ebay for a quid lol which was local.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s...mum26/tom7.jpg

Rear VTR bumper is on.

A mate of mine is gonna help me fit the sun roof using the VTR roof as a template, that will be fun cutting that off lol

Anyways, over the boys tomorrow to fit the interior from the VTR. Also bought him an aero fuel cap (2nd hand) off eBay for a tenner, good steering wheel, and headlight masks...it'll come togeather in the end. :-)

16th June 2012, 12:32

Find a local college and get some 2nd/3rd years to spray it cheap. I had a few mates that did it and they came out fine

16th June 2012, 19:17

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Originally Posted by lewismonteith

Find a local college and get some 2nd/3rd years to spray it cheap. I had a few mates that did it and they came out fine

Good thinking Batman! Funny you say that, as he's got his induction in mechanics at college shortly. :-)

16th June 2012, 19:20

Well, got the front bumper off. To do that I had to remove the water bottle to get better clearence, the thing is, I pushed down on the filler and the hole thing dropped out, the inner wing was that rusty! :-)

Changed over interior, and replaced the naffed steering wheel with another, however the airbag light is now on, I did however forget to connect up the passenger side seat belts restraint tensioner, could it be that whats causing the light to come on?

16th June 2012, 23:36

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Originally Posted by Reegs

Well, got the front bumper off. To do that I had to remove the water bottle to get better clearence, the thing is, I pushed down on the filler and the hole thing dropped out, the inner wing was that rusty! :-)

Changed over interior, and replaced the naffed steering wheel with another, however the airbag light is now on, I did however forget to connect up the passenger side seat belts restraint tensioner, could it be that whats causing the light to come on?

There's a little yellow cable under the seats, try that. If not take the led behind the airbag light out or cut the wire

17th June 2012, 07:41

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Originally Posted by lewismonteith

There's a little yellow cable under the seats, try that. If not take the led behind the airbag light out or cut the wire

Cheers, I'll give that a go :-)

22nd June 2012, 17:43

Ive bought one tube of U-Pol Tiger Seal off ebay for like £6 which is £6 cheaper than from Wilco. Am I being ambitious thinking it will be enough for the kit, or do you guys think I need more. I also bought 20 new clips for the kit, and will be using the original front wings...any info from others who have done the job would be much appreciated? :-)

22nd June 2012, 17:47

personally i would throw the lexus lights away or whack them on ebay and make some more of your money back, standard ones look much better, also you want to fit he vtr sunroof? most peole on here would give their right arm to get rid of the sunroof for a non-sunroof skin and alot of people do change the roof skins to get rid of them, just one more place for water to get it and new seals are £60 from citroen

but a bargain for £250!

22nd June 2012, 18:11

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Originally Posted by lewismonteith

There's a little yellow cable under the seats, try that. If not take the led behind the airbag light out or cut the wire

If you take out the airbag light then it`ll fail the MOT.

23rd June 2012, 06:10

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Originally Posted by jeffchiz

personally i would throw the lexus lights away or whack them on ebay and make some more of your money back, standard ones look much better, also you want to fit he vtr sunroof? most peole on here would give their right arm to get rid of the sunroof for a non-sunroof skin and alot of people do change the roof skins to get rid of them, just one more place for water to get it and new seals are £60 from citroen

but a bargain for £250!

I know what you mean about the lights, but my son likes them, and at the end of the day it's his project...so dad goes along with it. :-)

Yeah, on relection, the sunroof might not be worth the hassle, as you said, if they are prone to leaking, he's always got a window for air. :-)

23rd June 2012, 06:14

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Originally Posted by stevo67

If you take out the airbag light then it`ll fail the MOT.

Its because I didnt connect the passenger side seat, so I'll sort that out today. On my P reg Volvo V70 T5 (manual) CD, I had the ABS, service, and ECU lights come on now and again, so I just took out the bulbs and it passed the MOT no problem. The trouble with things like the ABS light, you could spend loads of wonga trying to rectify the fault and it will still come on, I think its only a speed ring sensor, but as long as the car stops Im not too worried about it. :-)

23rd June 2012, 06:16

Aldo gonna sell the engine and gear box from the VTR, its sweet as a nut, whats the realistic price they go for on eBay?

23rd June 2012, 18:16

Well got the grille on, will have a chrome VTR badge on the right hand side when I next go down to my sons. Changed the bonnet as its got less dents lol. Fitted the front arches back on the wings. Cut off the rear arches, just waiting to glue the original fitting brackets onto the trims, and good to go. Then it will be time to key up the car, tape it off, add primer, then spray it matt black...then swap over the running gear so the alloys will fit, change a few other bits, and the jobs a good'n. :-)

23rd June 2012, 18:17

Oh, and then add DTM cup mirrors. :-)

27th June 2012, 20:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffchiz

personally i would throw the lexus lights away or whack them on ebay and make some more of your money back, standard ones look much better, also you want to fit he vtr sunroof? most peole on here would give their right arm to get rid of the sunroof for a non-sunroof skin and alot of people do change the roof skins to get rid of them, just one more place for water to get it and new seals are £60 from citroen

but a bargain for £250!

Regarding the lexus lights, the boy has changed his mind, and will now use the originals, with a couple of licks of smoked tint..not too much however, to give the Rozzers a stiffy, but just enough to look less standard. :-)

28th June 2012, 18:19

Guys, in desperate need of 6 metal brackets for the near side rear VTR quarter panel (God knows where they have gone!) I need the ones marked in red. Sorry to the Mod's if I shouldnt be asking to buy anything on this thread...just desperate, as my son wants me to finish the kit, and without these brackets its gonna make my job a heck of a lot harder. :-/

I dont know what the forum rules are, but if anybody has these brackets, if they could please PM me with a price, I would very much appreciated it.

29th June 2012, 15:39

This is how it as at present. Just gotta put the off-side rear quarter panel on. add the skirts, then swap the rear beam, and front running gear over so we have alloys, and then time for prepping and spraying. :-)

29th June 2012, 15:46

car is coming along, did you sort the brakets out? i was at the scrappy yesterday ripping brackets off vtrs lol some other user needed some so i got some to sell to him, i missed this thread otherwise would have grabbed you some as well, what colour is the car going?

29th June 2012, 16:07

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Originally Posted by jeffchiz

car is coming along, did you sort the brakets out? i was at the scrappy yesterday ripping brackets off vtrs lol some other user needed some so i got some to sell to him, i missed this thread otherwise would have grabbed you some as well, what colour is the car going?

Hi,
Thats a bugger! yeah still need the brackets. :-/ God knows where the old ones have gone, unless they were not on there when we took them off (cant remember to be honest). In desperate need for them, or its like £25-30 odd quid for another quarter panel delivered. :-/

The boy wants it matt black, its the colour of the headlight masks and the grille. As I am spraying it, it wont be a brilliant paint job as ive never used a compressor before, but will tidy it up. :-)

29th June 2012, 16:33

Does anybody know what the engine and gearbox should be put up for on ebay? Think its due for a cambelt change, but apart from that both are in good working order.

29th June 2012, 16:40

if you included everything for a conversion (engine, box, loom and UNLOCKED ecu) you might get £150 on ebay on here you'll be lucky to get £100 noone really wnats them, this is why i would have just used it and put it some good use but you have your reasons etc id just put it at £50 starting bid and let it go for whatever

if you sell the einge/loom/ecu seperate to the box you might get more as the gearbox is probably worth £50 on its own

29th June 2012, 18:36

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Originally Posted by jeffchiz

if you included everything for a conversion (engine, box, loom and UNLOCKED ecu) you might get £150 on ebay on here you'll be lucky to get £100 noone really wnats them, this is why i would have just used it and put it some good use but you have your reasons etc id just put it at £50 starting bid and let it go for whatever

if you sell the einge/loom/ecu seperate to the box you might get more as the gearbox is probably worth £50 on its own

Ah right, it might be worth keeping it all then till my son gets a little older and the car aint rusted into nothing and drop it in when he has a bit more no claims then :-)

29th June 2012, 18:44

Maybe you can tell me, but are the VTR springs slightly lower than the flat arch, or is it because of the extra engine weight, as it does seem lower on the VTR than on the 1 ltr? A 40mm spring kit is about £40, I wont bother with it, if the existing VTR kit will make it look a little lower. I suppose the tyre size will make a bit of a difference too. :-)

29th June 2012, 20:38

To be honest I wouldn't know if a vtr spring is different to a 1.1, but yes the vtr engine will weigh it down a bit more, every vt kitted flat arch I've seen needs to be lowered as it looks stupidly high

29th June 2012, 20:52

I'm surprised that the vtr didn't have lowering springs or a lowered rear beam must be hard to find one in standard form height wise lol

30th June 2012, 19:09

Skirts are on...well kind of. Took advice from the previous blow by blow thread on here, about making sure the clip holes were not too big. the near side was OK, by the drivers side didnt work. Its on anyways, as I have screwed the underneath, filled the top with loads of Tiger seal, but dont think its gonna take due to having an issue clamping it shut. So in a couple of days, once its set, I'll run some P40 along the top, unless anybody else has a better suggestion? :-)

1st July 2012, 11:04

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Originally Posted by jeffchiz

To be honest I wouldn't know if a vtr spring is different to a 1.1, but yes the vtr engine will weigh it down a bit more, every vt kitted flat arch I've seen needs to be lowered as it looks stupidly high

Yeah it looks far too high on the front, almost like there is no engine in there. So when I try and change the front end for my son, I might aswell buy a set of 40mm lowing springs for 50 quid. Ive gotta change the off-side front wheel bearing too as there is a lot of play in it, is a press job do you know? :-)

Also I could KILL my old man, because my son parked his car near to the front door, my father and a friend was delivering some furniture to the house, and somehow managed to put a couple of small creases in the imaculate VTR bonnet in the middle, so will need to skim some filler in there...Grrrr!

1st July 2012, 13:49

Still a work in progress.

8th July 2012, 08:45

Well body kit is now on. Bought some Nato matt black paint £20 all in (Next day delivery) for 2.3 ltrs. Just gotta finish filling a couple of small dents and the holes where the Saxo badges were on the tail gate, and ready for the prep work before spraying. Next weekend will have a go at swapping the running gear, just gotta get some concrete blocks for both cars to sit on, and find some good metal so the blocks dont go through the floor lol, while I transfer the parts.

8th July 2012, 08:50

9th July 2012, 17:53

your son is lucky to have a dad willing to go to this much effort! lol when i had my wheel bearing done i bought one for £15 iirc and i took the strut off my self and a garage charged a tenner to press the new one in

9th July 2012, 21:54

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Originally Posted by jeffchiz

your son is lucky to have a dad willing to go to this much effort! lol when i had my wheel bearing done i bought one for £15 iirc and i took the strut off my self and a garage charged a tenner to press the new one in

Well, there was a year or so when I didnt get to see much of him or his older brother, so trying to make up for it. Plus its like being a boy racer again, helping him have a budget car that he would like. I am no mechanic by any means, but will have a go at anything. Had a few kit cars in the past and now have a trike based on a 1978 Toyota Starlet, (which I stripped down totally, and re-built), so like getting my hands dirty. :-)

10th July 2012, 23:13

More pics that my son just sent me.

10th July 2012, 23:14

The filler needs sanding, then ready for the prepping and spray job.

10th July 2012, 23:52

Get the stock wing mirrors back on!

11th July 2012, 00:04

tbf id get rid of the mirrors, light masks and the vtr badge on the grille but if your son likes it!

11th July 2012, 00:44

Need's the vtr alloys too

And maybe the rear beam if they still look lost =].

11th July 2012, 07:08

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Originally Posted by lewismonteith

Get the stock wing mirrors back on!

I can understand your purist feelings about the mirrors, but I actually think the DTM mirrors look OK on a 17 year olds car...I have seen some really stupid mods on Saxo's, but subtle changes are OK in my book, as long as they dont make the car look like its just ram raided Halford's. :-)

11th July 2012, 07:14

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Originally Posted by jeffchiz

tbf id get rid of the mirrors, light masks and the vtr badge on the grille but if your son likes it!

Im kinda torn here...I agree about the subtle mods being removed (thinking as a 39 year old), and leaving the body kit on....but on the other side thinking as a 17 year old, it looks good too. No stick on carbon fibre film, no fake plastic chequer plate floor mats, or no Sparco gear knob, pedal, and steering wheel set to be seen! So I think it wont look like a complete and utter Twat's car driving down the road.

I suppose its each to their own, but I can definitely see where you are coming from. :-)

11th July 2012, 07:15

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Originally Posted by saxova

Need's the vtr alloys too

And maybe the rear beam if they still look lost =].

Yeah swapping both front and rear running gear shortly...gotta get rid of these 3 stud steel wheels. :-)

11th July 2012, 19:22

oi i have a sparco gear knob haha it was the only mod that was doen to my car when i bought it always meant to change it but i grew an attachment to it plus it feels good to use and doesnt look that bad and it probably cost a small fortune being sparco lol

12th July 2012, 06:41

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Originally Posted by jeffchiz

oi i have a sparco gear knob haha it was the only mod that was doen to my car when i bought it always meant to change it but i grew an attachment to it plus it feels good to use and doesnt look that bad and it probably cost a small fortune being sparco lol

Just joking mate lol

Back in 89 when I was 17 I had a 1.1 mark 3 Escort. I stuck Cobra Clubman bucket seats in it, Knight Rider flashing lights on the grille, and disco lights on the dash lol....then went from that when I was 18 to a mark 4 Cortina 2.3 Ghia manual...couldnt handle the power and had a couple of accidents, one being an argument with a shop window...unfortunately I lost that one lol.

13th July 2012, 14:44

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Originally Posted by Reegs

Just joking mate lol

Back in 89 when I was 17 I had a 1.1 mark 3 Escort. I stuck Cobra Clubman bucket seats in it, Knight Rider flashing lights on the grille, and disco lights on the dash lol....then went from that when I was 18 to a mark 4 Cortina 2.3 Ghia manual...couldnt handle the power and had a couple of accidents, one being an argument with a shop window...unfortunately I lost that one lol.

Nice looking car there mate.

Saxo(s) are coming on well too - at least if it gets bumped you'll be able to paint it up fairly cheap if you have some left over. Looks like it's all being done well though.

Would be tempted to give the struts/rear axle a refurb when you take them apart if I were you as these are notoriously awful on Saxos.

13th July 2012, 16:25

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Originally Posted by Tc24

Nice looking car there mate.

Saxo(s) are coming on well too - at least if it gets bumped you'll be able to paint it up fairly cheap if you have some left over. Looks like it's all being done well though.

Would be tempted to give the struts/rear axle a refurb when you take them apart if I were you as these are notoriously awful on Saxos.

Cheers, yeah sorry it was a bit off topic, but just wanted to share how I love fiddling about with cars.. Never had much money, so basically all done on a shoe string. Yeah I was thinking that too, about the struts and rear beam. A good wire brush down too and a good few coats of Hamerite I reckon. I know the nearside front wheel bearing needs sorting too.

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25th July 2012, 20:45

Well just finished taking the rear beam off the VTR, wire brushing it down (as it was a little rusty in places) painted it. Then took the beam off the 1 ltr and put the VTR beam onto it. Just gotta reconnect the two brake pipes and attach the VTR handbrake cables. Might have to get the nuts replaced on the brake pipes as I had to use mole grips to undo the buggers. :-)

Will probably re-furb the brakes while I am at it.

My two oldest sons helped with with it and it went pretty well.

Looks a bit shit at mo, as its sitting on axel stand wheels and tyres lol

Then the front end...I aint looking forward to that, that's for sure. lol

25th July 2012, 22:48

Get it slammed! .. and painted

26th July 2012, 07:30

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Originally Posted by lewismonteith

Get it slammed! .. and painted

What does "slammed" mean? lol

26th July 2012, 11:18

slammed - lowered suspension so that it sits on the floor

27th July 2012, 16:04

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Originally Posted by LSOfreak

slammed - lowered suspension so that it sits on the floor

Ahh I'm up to speed now lol

Body work now done. Just gotta sand down a couple of places around the wheel arches where the Tiger seal came out, and key up the rest of the car, then its spraying time! :-)

27th July 2012, 17:04

27th July 2012, 17:25

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Originally Posted by jeffchiz

to convert to 4 stud you will use the struts/arb/wishbones off the vtr and simply bolt them on the 1.1, and for the rear, the disc beam will bolt straight on, you will also need to the use the vtr handbrake cables, might as well just fit the vtr engine while your at it, weekends job if you have the tools/know how

id also fit the vtr interior (more supportive seats)

id persionally keep the exterior standard and not fit the vt kit, flat arches can look really good with a few little touches

got any pics??

Will I need the VTR anti roll bar, for the conversion, or just the link rods?
Thanks

28th July 2012, 09:14

Anybody got a spare VTR tow eye bumper cap? It was on the car when we put it on the back of the transit, but by the time we got home it was missing.

28th July 2012, 14:41

the droplinks connect to the anti roll bar so you will need both if you want to run a front antiroll bar. Nothing to stop you fitting the front suspension and just not fitting the antiroll bar/ droplinks

28th July 2012, 17:23

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Originally Posted by LSOfreak

the droplinks connect to the anti roll bar so you will need both if you want to run a front antiroll bar. Nothing to stop you fitting the front suspension and just not fitting the antiroll bar/ droplinks

Oh, so is this incorrect in your opinion?

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffchiz

to convert to 4 stud you will use the struts/arb/wishbones off the vtr and simply bolt them on the 1.1, and for the rear, the disc beam will bolt straight on, you will also need to the use the vtr handbrake cables, might as well just fit the vtr engine while your at it, weekends job if you have the tools/know how

id also fit the vtr interior (more supportive seats)

id persionally keep the exterior standard and not fit the vt kit, flat arches can look really good with a few little touches

got any pics??

I'm getting well confused.com (which aint that hard to be honest) lol :-)

29th July 2012, 10:05

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Originally Posted by lewismonteith

There's a little yellow cable under the seats, try that. If not take the led behind the airbag light out or cut the wire

Don't do this as you'll fail a mot as the light needs to light up on the ignition.

For the 4stud bits just remove the whole leg from the VTR and rear beam and just put them on the 1.0ltr a lot easier to do it that way than swapping hubs etc + you get rear disks then rather than gay drums.

Looms as mentioned above the best thing would be to just swap then complete looms around to save you the hassle of making wires up to fit the oil temp etc. Are you not going to transplant the VTR engine if no then you mighT be worth finding the sensors for the VTR and using them on the 1.0 so it all matches. (not sure why you wouldn't want to transplant as its a lot easier/better)

Best thing for the body kit is to follow the guide in the link above and use tiger seal on all the bits that need it like the edges of the door panels, door edge of the rear panel etc

29th July 2012, 18:00

[QUOTE=rorz_vts;6040517]Don't do this as you'll fail a mot as the light needs to light up on the ignition.

It must be here in Norfolk thats different mate, as the MOT guys never check to make sure the bulb works, they would only fail it if it comes on... :-)

Yeah the rear beam is now fitted, just gotta link up the handbrake cable and put the two brake lines back onto the beam.

Cant really transplant the VTR engine as my son will never be able to afford to insure it, its pretty high as it is being just a 1ltr. :-)

Body kit is all on, and now the car has been keyed ready for shit loads of coats of Nato matt black.

Well the front legs are just about off, just leaves the steering rack joint on one side, the bugger is just turning...God knows how to undo that now. lol

29th July 2012, 18:02

Airbag - It's part of the new regs mate only reason I mentioned it

Rear beam/engine - take it he's declaring the rear beam/bodykit aswel if so ok but if not then why not bang in the engine looks exactly the same as a 1.0 if the worst happens.

Which bit of the steering racks the problem, have you removed all the interior gear that goes with it?

29th July 2012, 18:38

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Originally Posted by rorz_vts

Airbag - It's part of the new regs mate only reason I mentioned it

Rear beam/engine - take it he's declaring the rear beam/bodykit aswel if so ok but if not then why not bang in the engine looks exactly the same as a 1.0 if the worst happens.

Which bit of the steering racks the problem, have you removed all the interior gear that goes with it?

I know if the air bag light is on it will fail, but like with other yellow bulbs like ABS lights and stuff, if you remove the bulb then it cant fail lol Anyways, its down to me not connecting up the passenger side seatbelt tensioner cable, for some reason I disconnected it, and couldnt find where it connected back in on the seat before refitting lol

Yeah, will have to declare the change of running gear for sure, it will still be cheaper than my 17 year old trying to insure a real VTR, as it is, as he's on a provisional its like £1.400 TPFT without the declaration of the mods.

What I'll do with the track rod end is try and lift up the rubber and see if i can get a spanner in there, as the nut is just turning on one side. The other end is unbolted but wont give even after a few hard smacks with a hammer, will try and put the jack under it and see if that will push it up. :-)

Well, all interior swapped apart from the cluster at the mo, and apart from the front door cards, as the 1 ltr is wind you down windows, and didnt really fancy trying to do the wiring to convert it to leccy..might get a mate to help with that at a later point. :-)

29th July 2012, 21:27

Arr I see where you mean now, to sort the track rod end get a big pair of grips on it lock the top with the lower end and it should stop turning or give the top a good belt to lock it in place as it has a gripping point to stop it spinning. There's a thread up in the suspension section ATM that should help give you ideas on how to sort it

Can you not just swap the whole interior loom along with the doors and jobs a goodun

29th July 2012, 21:37

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Originally Posted by rorz_vts

Arr I see where you mean now, to sort the track rod end get a big pair of grips on it lock the top with the lower end and it should stop turning or give the top a good belt to lock it in place as it has a gripping point to stop it spinning. There's a thread up in the suspension section ATM that should help give you ideas on how to sort it

Can you not just swap the whole interior loom along with the doors and jobs a goodun

Thanks for the info. :-)

I did think about swapping the doors, but they have some outwards dents, plus tried getting the passenger side off, top hinge was tight but undid, but the bottom one wont budge tried everything! So will probably adapt the original doors to fit leccy windows later on down the line mate. :-)

30th July 2012, 17:08

Well the legs, anti-roll bar, and wishbones are all off now. Had a few minoir set backs, but nothing I couldnt handle after a bit of swearing and a couple of re-thinks. lol Couldnt turn the nut on the hubs, so took the drive shafts out with it.

30th July 2012, 18:14

should have just bought a vtr man looking good though

30th July 2012, 20:01

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Originally Posted by webbcrai04

should have just bought a vtr man looking good though

I bought a VTR for him, so we could swap everything over apart from the engine...far too much for him to insure at the mo. :-)

3rd August 2012, 18:07

All front running gear is now off the 1ltr (one of the hub nuts was very hard to crack! But got it off in the end. Got the antirole bar from the VTR on the 1 ltr, along with one of the legs. The other leg is having the vbear relaced in the hub. Then just gotta order some new drop links and wishbones are most of the rubbers are split. Then its time to put it all back on, and get the bugger sprayed! :-)

23rd August 2012, 21:26

hows the project going mate?

24th August 2012, 21:46

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Originally Posted by jeffchiz

hows the project going mate?

Glad you asked pal, was gonna do an update anyways lol

Well the wheel bearing is done, leg now on. Ordered the new wishbones and drop links (as some of the rubbers were split), and also ordered new front hoses, as I had to cut the old ones to get the legs off.

Fingers crossed, I should be spraying the car Tuesday (as long as its the correct conditions). I have it under a tent at the mo, will tape the car up either the day before or early that morning. So stay tuned. :-)

24th August 2012, 21:50

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Originally Posted by Reegs

Glad you asked pal, was gonna do an update anyways lol

Well the wheel bearing is done, leg now on. Ordered the new wishbones and drop links (as some of the rubbers were split), and also ordered new front hoses, as I had to cut the old ones to get the legs off.

Fingers crossed, I should be spraying the car Tuesday (as long as its the correct conditions). I have it under a tent at the mo, will tape the car up either the day before or early that morning. So stay tuned. :-)

PS and new track rod ends, as the old ones are just turning when I try and tighten up the nuts. :-)

26th August 2012, 09:52

Well off round the boys in a bit (20 odd miles away) to start tapeing it up ready for spraying hopefully Tuesday, hopefully weather permitting. We have the Saxo in a tent, so hopefully the masking tape and newspaper wont get too damp before then. I'll see how it goes, gotta try and get the headlight masks off so I can tape the headlights off and take off the indicators, used Tigerseal so wish me luck lol.

I'll keep you guys posted. The new track rod ends came yest, just waiting for the wishbones droplinks and brake hoses now. Then we will be on the hunt for a good back box (cheaper the better). Will paint the alloys by hand the same colour as the car (boys request not mine), and put the inner splash guards back on..still plenty to do. :-)

26th August 2012, 09:54

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Originally Posted by Reegs

PS and new track rod ends, as the old ones are just turning when I try and tighten up the nuts. :-)

Clamp them to the strut. They always spin..

Also your a legend for doing all this for your lad! - hope he appreciates it

26th August 2012, 10:01

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Originally Posted by saxova

Clamp them to the strut. They always spin..

Also your a legend for doing all this for your lad! - hope he appreciates it

Will do bud. Thought I'd get new ones anyways as they were like £9.00 for the pair, so the threads were nice and clean.

To finish it off gotta get him White Saxperience Sticker Design B, as the screens on these cars are a little high, this will break it up just right.

Yeah, he appreciates it. I enjoy doing it too, as I have always tarted up projects I have had, and I am always learning. :-)

26th August 2012, 10:04

Aye for sake of £9.. you might as well change them - least you know to clamp them next time you take them off

Good to hear, he's a lucky lad! - look forward to the final pic's / paint

26th August 2012, 10:20

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Originally Posted by saxova

Aye for sake of £9.. you might as well change them - least you know to clamp them next time you take them off

Good to hear, he's a lucky lad! - look forward to the final pic's / paint

Well it wont be a pro job, but good enough...got 2.5 ltrs of the nato matt black, so plenty of spare paint if I f*&% it up. lol ;-)

26th August 2012, 17:03

Well, due to the odd shower didnt get as much done as I had hoped. As the car was really dusty I washed it, and dried it off as best I could under the tent. Didnt tape anything off, will do this Tues morning so it has time for the moisture in all the nooks and krannys to dry as best as it can. EARLY Tues morning I'll run the car over with a rag and thinners, then tape off what needs tapeing off before spraying. Not gonna use primmer, as I have 2.5 ltrs of paint, there is plenty for any mistakes...watch this space guys. :-)

29th August 2012, 08:42

Well the Sax is almost done. Had a few issues during the day. Borrowed the brother-in-laws compressor, as I have never used one before I had no idea about mixing the paint and thinners and stuff. He told me to mix it 50/50, but my friend later told me it should have been 2-1. I used the whole 2.5 ltrs of military matt black on the car, and it was only the final coat, where it looked even. It still needs a few more coats now, and have to sort out a couple of runs, so ordered some more paint. The compressor kept blowing all the fuses in the leads, when the comprssor got hot, so changed the plug and it was fine after that. New wishbones and droplinks are also here, so will fit them when I next go down.

29th August 2012, 10:18

that is awesome!!! just need tinted front lights and indicators

29th August 2012, 14:52

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Originally Posted by jayline

that is awesome!!! just need tinted front lights and indicators

Thanks for the feedback mate..I aint no pro, but it will do
. :-)

30th August 2012, 17:10

Well fought through the hard rain and got the new wishbones and drop links on! Just waiting for the new front hoses and paint, and then just waiting for a nice day to finish off the paint job.

31st August 2012, 08:04

A few more coats and sorted. The only down side with matt paint is that it scuffs very easy. :-/

31st August 2012, 21:29

31st August 2012, 21:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reegs

Paint was still wet, hense the streaky look. :-)

1st September 2012, 11:38

That looks awesome, what colour you going to spray the alloys?

1st September 2012, 17:08

Getting there....it aint no pro job, but still not bad for a low budget first car for the boy. :-)

5th September 2012, 18:00

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Originally Posted by lewismonteith

That looks awesome, what colour you going to spray the alloys?

Same colour as the car maybe mate..well that's what the boy wants...will have to have a good hard think about it first. :-)

5th September 2012, 18:02

I might buff it up with some fine finishing paper later on, if the paint will take it. :-)

5th September 2012, 18:04

Its gotta have a white saxperience sun strip sticker on the screen that's for sure, plus maybe a couple of the smaller white saxperience stickers on the skirts near to the back wheel to finish it off. :-)

13th September 2012, 07:34

Went to put a new hose on the front drivers side and found the end that attached to the inner wing was rusted to buggery. Tried using mole grips on it for about an hour but no joy. Also found the caliper on that side was shagged, so gotta find the boy another cheap but good condition caliper. :-/

23rd September 2012, 07:16

Got rid of the headlight masks, looks much better without them. :-)

18th February 2013, 22:06

Any updates on this mate?

22nd February 2013, 22:01

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Originally Posted by jeffchiz

Any updates on this mate?

Had massive probs finding bleed nips for the front calipers as they are massive, luckily had help from Tommy a fellow forum member sold me a set of Pug calipers, which sorted that. Got new pads front and back. So all thats left to do, is to make up a back pipe with a reducer to fit the 4" back box. Fit front calipers and a replacement rear caliper, get two new bleed nips for front, replace handbrake cables which we already have. As far as the front foggies are concerned, whats the rules for MOT, if they are fitted do they need to work?

22nd February 2013, 22:28

I don't know what to think about this tbh. In ways I think well done for been bothered to do that to a 1.1 but then I think the stickers flaps and silver wheels ruin it. It needs lowering and would have looked better in cammo green and slammed on its arse its only a tiny engine so would better be to go slammed for looks because there is deffo going to be no go.

Nice work though mate.

Hope you dragged him out to help you.

22nd February 2013, 22:37

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Originally Posted by Bedford126

I don't know what to think about this tbh. In ways I think well done for been bothered to do that to a 1.1 but then I think the stickers flaps and silver wheels ruin it. It needs lowering and would have looked better in cammo green and slammed on its arse its only a tiny engine so would better be to go slammed for looks because there is deffo going to be no go.

Nice work though mate.

Hope you dragged him out to help you.

It's a 1ltr mate, not a 1.1 lol

Well, I can kinda hear what your saying about the stickers and flaps. It looks higher than it is, I think its because of the sloping drive. You think this looks bad, you should have seen my 1.1 Mrk 3 Escort when I was my sons age, it looked like a f8cking Christmas tree with the amount of flashing LED gizmos I had on it lol...so the apple hasnt fallen far from the tree. I think it looks OK for a lads car, Ive seen much worse to date. lol

I also hear ya on styling, youve gotta remember its gonna take time. My son dont live with me, and he has no money what-so-ever, and I am very limited on funds, so we just do a bit at a time. Yeah, he's been a trooper! Ive done the majority of the work, but he's helped quite a bit with some of the stuff too. Although its caused me some trouble and cost me a fair bit in petrol and bits, its been worth it, as its been a project we have done togeather, and Ive actually looked forward to doing it with him. You gotta remember like most, I aint done much of this kinda thing before, so it was a learning experience for us both..mainly not to have started it in the first place!!!...only kidding, :-)

22nd February 2013, 22:51

I'm not saying anything wrong with the car at all mate I like it for what it is. Just think that the stickers and the flaps need to go. Seriously look into lowering it you can lower it for a couple of quid on second hand springs and the standard parts. With what you have done so far on the car the rear shouldn't be a problem following the guide.

Also I totally get what you are doing with your son and why when I was 16 me and my dad built a fiesta RS turbo and it was my first car but was more the experience of doing something with my dad than the car.

P.s GET RID OF THE FLAPS!!!!!

22nd February 2013, 22:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bedford126

I'm not saying anything wrong with the car at all mate I like it for what it is. Just think that the stickers and the flaps need to go. Seriously look into lowering it you can lower it for a couple of quid on second hand springs and the standard parts. With what you have done so far on the car the rear shouldn't be a problem following the guide.

Also I totally get what you are doing with your son and why when I was 16 me and my dad built a fiesta RS turbo and it was my first car but was more the experience of doing something with my dad than the car.

P.s GET RID OF THE FLAPS!!!!!

LOL dont worry, didnt take it to heart. I appreciate the feedback TBH.

Yeah, slamming it might be the next thing. So its rear torsion bar adjusting, and different springs on the front?

As far as the flaps are concerned, I think they will stay for a little while, as they will be the only flaps he will be getting on/in the car for quite a while! lol lol lol :-)

3rd March 2013, 16:48

Well got the front calipers on today, and hand painted the inside of the doors with some of the left over matt black NATO paint.

Got a custom made exhaust reducer off ebay for connecting the back box to the exhaust system. Will borrow my mates pipe bender and use the other exhaust off the VTR to make it all fit, as to get the back box straight and square and to join up with the mid section will need to re-route the mid section. Then just gotta fit the replacement back caliper bleed the brakes and the jobs a good'n. There a few other little bits to do, but we can put the car back on to all 4 wheels. :-)

11th August 2013, 18:20

Well, the boy got some Morette lights from ebay for about £50, so we fitted them today. The two white clips on the front need replacing as the threads on the plastic wont bit at the end as you tighten the bolts, so cant lift and adjust the bumper so there is a gap between the bumper and the lights and grille, does anybody know what these white brackets are called, coz I cant find them on ebay?

11th August 2013, 18:32

12th August 2013, 10:44

16th August 2013, 09:51

Managed to snap one of the locking bolts on the front nearside. When I put the front wheels on a while back, as they had been off for so long, they were hard to tighten. Anyways, just went to undo the nut and it snapped! So I guess if I take the disc off, there should be enough nut to get a pair of stilsons on there. :-/

22nd November 2014, 19:00

Finally got MOT'd today.

My boy passed his test first time the other week, so just insurance and tax and he's on the road.

22nd November 2014, 19:09

Do a progress thread in the right section bud. Attract more interest