Vtr to vts conversion answered

22nd June 2012, 00:45

There's lots of people doing this conversion. But as with me, I wasn't 100% sure as to what was needed. But, after 2 days doing the conversion, It is in and running. So I though I'd save others the same pain and torture as I suffered.

Step one: the time
Don't for one second think that the conversion will be a doddle, unless you have every tool you need, your pants will be pulled down. Best thing is to arrange 2 if not 3 days off to compensate for any issues that might crop up.

Step 2: the engine
This Is the Probably the most important part of the conversion. Because, let's face it, you don't want to go buying an engine willy nilly just to find it is bollocksed. I bought my engine from eBay, looking for an engine, you do the same as a car. Least mileage and lowest price. Although, couple things to be careful on, beware of middleman sellers, someone whos selling for a friend. Also make sure you know exactly what your buying. If it's just engine, or full on engine, box, loom and ecu.

Step 3: the wishlist
If your going to convert this engine. You might as well give it a good service. If your not sure, this is what you'll need.
-cam belt
-aux belt
-oil filter
-fuel filter
-spark plugs (super 4's recommendation)
-engine oil
-gearbox oil
-new vts throttle cable
-an extra length bit of pipe for the return.
I believe that's all I had to buy for my car. With all those bits, it's better be safe than sorry.

Step 4: the conversion
If your doing this conversion. I'll assume you have everything you need, and that you'll be ready to do make the swap. It isn't very hard so i'll just cover the main points.
-battery off, and ecu out, loom is easier to handle without the wright flapping about.
-wheels off, driveshafts out, drain g.box oil.
-clutch cable off, vtr throttle cable off.
-disconnect loom from fuse box in engine bay. It's a green and yellow clip on underside.
-remove exhaust, bottom rad hose, top rad hose, gear selectors.
Then should be time to put the engine on a crane. So get your old lump strapped up, and undo those mounts!
I'll post more up in next few days

22nd June 2012, 01:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richardabarnes

There's lots of people doing this conversion. But as with me, I wasn't 100% sure as to what was needed. But, after 2 days doing the conversion, It is in and running. So I though I'd save others the same pain and torture as I suffered.

Step one: the time
Don't for one second think that the conversion will be a doddle, unless you have every tool you need, your pants will be pulled down. Best thing is to arrange 2 if not 3 days off to compensate for any issues that might crop up.

Step 2: the engine
This Is the Probably the most important part of the conversion. Because, let's face it, you don't want to go buying an engine willy nilly just to find it is bollocksed. I bought my engine from eBay, looking for an engine, you do the same as a car. Least mileage and lowest price. Although, couple things to be careful on, beware of middleman sellers, someone whos selling for a friend. Also make sure you know exactly what your buying. If it's just engine, or full on engine, box, loom and ecu.

Step 3: the wishlist
If your going to convert this engine. You might as well give it a good service. If your not sure, this is what you'll need.
-cam belt
-aux belt
-oil filter
-fuel filter
-spark plugs (super 4's recommendation)
-engine oil
-gearbox oil
-new vts throttle cable
-an extra length bit of pipe for the return.
I believe that's all I had to buy for my car. With all those bits, it's better be safe than sorry.

Step 4: the conversion
If your doing this conversion. I'll assume you have everything you need, and that you'll be ready to do make the swap. It isn't very hard so i'll just cover the main points.
-battery off, and ecu out, loom is easier to handle without the wright flapping about.
-wheels off, driveshafts out, drain g.box oil.
-clutch cable off, vtr throttle cable off.
-disconnect loom from fuse box in engine bay. It's a green and yellow clip on underside.
-remove exhaust, bottom rad hose, top rad hose, gear selectors.
Then should be time to put the engine on a crane. So get your old lump strapped up, and undo those mounts!
I'll post more up in next few days

its nice you took the time to post up

but why new throttle cable?
no new water pump?
best to get a loom ecu and engine that match for a start, not always possible but saves hassle
super 4s are no better then normal plugs

and you done alot of that in what id consider a backwards order, but i suppose thats down to preferance

22nd June 2012, 01:08

Imo the conversion is easy 90% of the time people can not get them started.

22nd June 2012, 01:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cam

Imo the conversion is easy 90% of the time people can not get them started.

due to ecu or earths

22nd June 2012, 01:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackie_2k5

due to ecu or earths

Thats where i come in handy

if the ECU is locked that is...

22nd June 2012, 09:35

also will need 16v top hose,ecu engine mount bracket change fuel filter and make sure black immobiliser box is removed before connecting the battery and a vts throttle cable is a must really due to the tb connecter being different plus you will need the exhaust downpipe

22nd June 2012, 11:14

Cheers for this list!
I'm still unsure as to what I should do to my VTR, but this definitely helps the thought.

23rd June 2012, 00:35

Where the f**k is the black box??? Cuz it is still flashing On my dash constantyl

23rd June 2012, 00:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richardabarnes

Where the f**k is the black box??? Cuz it is still flashing On my dash constantyl

Steering column on 106, assuming same on Saxo?

23rd June 2012, 01:17

its up behind the glove box

23rd June 2012, 08:44

Aaahahahaa!!!!!!!! That mother f**kers been hiding from me... Thanks!

23rd June 2012, 15:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richardabarnes

Aaahahahaa!!!!!!!! That mother f**kers been hiding from me... Thanks!

lol no probs took me ages to find it though ha

1st July 2012, 11:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by sam_16v

make sure black immobiliser box is removed before connecting the battery

It starts and runs ok with it just disconnected? I.e. it doesnt need anything plugging back into it

9th July 2012, 21:26

.....?

9th July 2012, 23:35

no you dont need to plug anything in just make sure its unplugged before you connect your unlocked ecu otherwise it wont be an unlocked ecu anymore lol

10th July 2012, 17:52

ok cheers

6th August 2012, 11:39

I'm using a GTI unlocked ecu, with the pin removed to prevent it from being locked out again.

Should the little immobiliser light come on on the dash with it that little box and the thing around the key fob disconnected?

As with it plugged in, the light comes on, then flashes continually. If I unplug it, it doesnt come on at all with ignition lights. Also disconnected the transponder from around the ignition barrel, dont know it its required to be plugged in or not.

thanks

6th August 2012, 11:42

Only need to remove immob box

It not flash at all with it gone

If your Remove the pick up ring you may lose your power steering, as I've seen this in the past

6th August 2012, 19:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackie_2k5

Only need to remove immob box

It not flash at all with it gone

If your Remove the pick up ring you may lose your power steering, as I've seen this in the past

This box, its the same sort of size and shape as the fuel relay which plugs in under the ECU, yes? Disconnected that and taken it out, EML doesnt come on at all with it unplugged. With it plugged in the EML comes on with ignition, and then flashes.

Engine turns over but wont fire at all. Everythings plugged in where it should be ect. Only thing I havent done yet is run the fuel return to the tank, its plumbed at the engine side though.

NOTE: Im running a single plug gti engine and loom onto a saxo vtr which was previously 3 plug loom. Looms were sent off to Frenchsport Tuning and spliced correctly so I wouldnt say its a wiring issue.

7th August 2012, 01:29

to be fair

if anyones even contemplating doing a conversion, i'm pretty sure everything written in the first post is a given, and they would already know it??

ive never even done a conversion before and i could tell you all that lol