Furio/westy engines

1. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

   #1 24th June 2012, 13:40

   Are they all the same, ie all have the same ally 1400 bottom ends or did they differ like the 1600 8v's..?
   
   Im looking at putting my s1 106 rallye head onto a ally 1400 bottom end if my rings are shot.
2. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

   #2 24th June 2012, 14:13

   to my knowledge i "think" they are all the same mate, no difference in them at all tbh! that would be a good setup that your planning aswell!
3. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

   #3 24th June 2012, 14:27

   Yeah I've just been looking at one on eBay and the dipstick and oil filter are in different places, iirc you can move those though so I'd hope to fit my Rallye items..?
4. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

   #4 24th June 2012, 14:53

   im pretty sure your rallye items will fit mate! i have a furio lump and im looking into the rallye head and so on!
5. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

   #5 24th June 2012, 15:44

   Keep things easy and look for a weary or early furio lump mate, from a single
   
   Or quicky lump, or Saxo auto
6. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

   #6 24th June 2012, 15:45

   Does that make a difference if I'm only going to use the bottom end..?
   
   Imguessing I can just put all my stuff and look onto it..?
7. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

   #7 24th June 2012, 16:02

   You could yeah, but the dipsticks on the newer engines run are bigger I think, I tried to fit one to my engine and it would need the block drilling out iirc??
   
   Someone will know
8. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

   #8 24th June 2012, 16:08

   the pistons and rods are flat top in the 1.4 alloy blocks so c/r is not sas high but the difference is negligible. The 1.4 bottom end with the 1.3 top end stuff Matt should see you around 115-125bhp and better torque with the usual breathing mods did this few years back but using xsi stuff made 109bhp.
9. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

   #9 24th June 2012, 16:09

   if thats true sophia_bush im on that straight away!
10. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

    #10 24th June 2012, 16:15

    Why does 100cc add so much bhp, ESP with less comp ratio..?
11. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #11 24th June 2012, 16:15

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jayline if thats true sophia_bush im on that straight away!

    Yeh its true.
    
    This used to be like the normal sort of thing to do a few years ago.
    
    Take a look at Chris' rallye engined westocast. Cant remember his username now though, was a few years ago. Was quite a good build.
12. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #12 24th June 2012, 16:17

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mochachino Yeh its true. This used to be like the normal sort of thing to do a few years ago. Take a look at Chris' rallye engined westocast. Cant remember his username now though, was a few years ago. Was quite a good build.

    im guessing to do it you need the 1.3 head, inlet, throttle bodie, loom, ecu? anything else?
13. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #13 24th June 2012, 16:22

    Thats basically it.
    
    Westcoast bottom end and an XSI head is meant to be a better combo aswell.
    
    S1 head on the XSI bottom end is the common one.
14. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #14 24th June 2012, 16:27

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mochachino Thats basically it. Westcoast bottom end and an XSI head is meant to be a better combo aswell. S1 head on the XSI bottom end is the common one.

    well i have a furio bottom end so what would be best? also if this is done would my car see 120bhp? as ive been told otherwise on my thread! sorry gibbo for the thread hijack (always wanted to do what you are doing)
15. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

    #15 24th June 2012, 16:57

    I'm dubious tbh.. Id of guessed 105, maybe 110 with breathing mods but 120.... Dunno
16. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

    #16 24th June 2012, 16:57

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mochachino Thats basically it. Westcoast bottom end and an XSI head is meant to be a better combo aswell. S1 head on the XSI bottom end is the common one.

    Xsi dosent rev as high as the Rallye, why's the head better..?
17. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #17 24th June 2012, 17:11

    tbh i didnt think that it would get them figures! but if there true your 205 would be quite rapid id imagine!
18. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #18 24th June 2012, 17:12

    It runs the same cam profile or very similar
    
    But the port work is a lot better, the 1.3 head is really poorly machined/shaped in standard form
    
    I was quite shocked when I put it next to a standard vtr head
19. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

    #19 24th June 2012, 17:13

    Thats surprising as the Rallye head is meant to be really good (in theory, getting 100hp out of a 1300) lol..
20. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #20 24th June 2012, 17:15

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jayline well i have a furio bottom end so what would be best? also if this is done would my car see 120bhp? as ive been told otherwise on my thread! sorry gibbo for the thread hijack (always wanted to do what you are doing)

    Not sure if you would see them figures, I cant remember now
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MiniGibbo Xsi dosent rev as high as the Rallye, why's the head better..?

    Cant remember what the XSI or Rallye Rev up to now, im sure theyre both the same aint they?
    
    Which head being better? Rallye head is better, has a higher lift cam as standard for one. I cant remember the ins and outs of them now, but it will all be found with a search
21. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #21 24th June 2012, 17:15

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by blackie_2k5 It runs the same cam profile or very similar But the port work is a lot better, the 1.3 head is really poorly machined/shaped in standard form I was quite shocked when I put it next to a standard vtr head

    did you have to do any head work to the 1.3 to get it better or did you leave it?
22. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #22 24th June 2012, 17:16

    It's the cam profile and the fact the valves are the same size as vtr etc
    
    I done lots of reading about the best head to use on my turbo engine, but xsi heads are quite hard to find now
23. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #23 24th June 2012, 17:17

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by blackie_2k5 It's the cam profile and the fact the valves are the same size as vtr etc That's same as the xsi but doesn't rev as high, I done lots of reading about the best head to use on my turbo engine, but xsi heads are quite hard to find now

    what would you say was the best head for for a n/a 1.4?
24. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

    #24 24th June 2012, 17:19

    Surely for direct fit and the rev ability of 7250 it's got to be the s1 Rallye head.
25. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #25 24th June 2012, 17:23

    1.3 or 1.4 xsi, but both are becoming harder to find
    
    The xsi being the better of the two from what I've read, or even a blacktop vtr head but then you'd have to buy a decent cam to put in
    
    Best to do some reading if using a 1.4 engine and check piston type to make sure your mot going to get valve/piston contact, as I've never really looked at them, but should be ok
26. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #26 24th June 2012, 17:26

    Easiest one going by availability is the blacktop head on silvertops bottom end. Put a rallye inlet on it, cam that, s1 rallye gearbox or 1.4 xsi gearbox and I think the stock hatch cars put in VTS injectors too, must have a different spray pattern?
27. mlawlan69 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2010 leeds Posts: 4389 MCS R53 S/C 16v furiooo

    #27 24th June 2012, 17:31

    finding this interesting reading myself! so its just a straight swap for a different head, I'm guessing the biggest ball ache would be the fact that 3 plug furio bottom would have different plugs for the sensors? or are even those interchangeable?
28. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

    #28 24th June 2012, 17:32

    Does that go for me using the Rallye head as well.. That's the reason of this thread to see which one I need to be able to go with my head...
29. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

    #29 24th June 2012, 17:33

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mlawlan69 finding this interesting reading myself! so its just a straight swap for a different head, I'm guessing the biggest ball ache would be the fact that 3 plug furio bottom would have different plugs for the sensors? or are even those interchangeable?

    Are there any plugs on the bottom end..?
30. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #30 24th June 2012, 17:35

    Your bottom end only has a few sensors on it
    
    Knock sensor which will be the same
    Oil pressure light switch which may be diff should be straight forward to sort or just don't run one
    And crank sensor which will be the same I think, if not could change it
    
    Can't think off any more at the min
31. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #31 24th June 2012, 17:38

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MiniGibbo Does that go for me using the Rallye head as well.. That's the reason of this thread to see which one I need to be able to go with my head...

    Does what? The pistons? It does but I don't think it will ne an issue mate, I've just not looked into i
    
    Pretty sure unless your going for a wilder cam youll be fine, but someone else should confirm
    
    If I was you I'd just look for a single plug engine and all will be fine
32. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #32 24th June 2012, 17:40

    Have a read of this, he had a successful engine with the same idea of what you have and he was very knowledgeable with it all.
    
    Search his posts as well and you will find a wealth of info. If you need to know any more then hopefully he can remember lol, I starting to forget alot of saxo stuff now
    
    http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=213293
33. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #33 24th June 2012, 17:53

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mochachino Have a read of this, he had a successful engine with the same idea of what you have and he was very knowledgeable with it all. Search his posts as well and you will find a wealth of info. If you need to know any more then hopefully he can remember lol, I starting to forget alot of saxo stuff now http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=213293

    cheers for that link, now for a big read up well i've got the single plug furio lump just need the rallye bits lol!
34. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

    #34 24th June 2012, 17:59

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jayline cheers for that link, now for a big read up well i've got the single plug furio lump just need the rallye bits lol!

    Sell me your furio engine and put the money towards a 16v, it's pointless tuning a 8v
35. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #35 24th June 2012, 18:02

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MiniGibbo Sell me your furio engine and put the money towards a 16v, it's pointless tuning a 8v

    haha ive just installed the engine lol! sell me your rallye gear and use the money on a 16v, its pointless tuning a 8v
    
    EDIT: in that link above i just saw that he sold that car for £1250, someone got a bargain!
36. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #36 24th June 2012, 18:38

    gibbo did you get the link i sent ya, might help ya out a bit!
37. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

    #37 24th June 2012, 20:26

    I did thanks.
38. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #38 24th June 2012, 20:28

    could you use a 1.1 bottom end and get similar gains?
39. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

    #39 24th June 2012, 20:30

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jayline could you use a 1.1 bottom end and get similar gains?

    I doubt it as its less cc. May as well get another 1300 bottom end.
    
    I "might have" found my self a 1400 xsi bottom end with domed pistons..
40. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #40 24th June 2012, 20:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MiniGibbo I doubt it as its less cc. May as well get another 1300 bottom end. I "might have" found my self a 1400 xsi bottom end with domed pistons..

    fair play if you want a 1.1 single plug engine to try with your setup i have one for £20 here lol! oh very nice, ive found myself an xsi box and a s1 box that are ok priced just need the rallye head and other parts lol!
41. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #41 24th June 2012, 23:02

    would a 1.4 xsi head and furio bottom end be a good combo as ive found the head inlet loom and ecu for sale cheap?
42. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

    #42 25th June 2012, 22:13

    I'm being told the 1400 xsi blocks are cast iron..?
43. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #43 26th June 2012, 12:02

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MiniGibbo I'm being told the 1400 xsi blocks are cast iron..?

    i never knew that? dont the xsi lumps push 100bhp standard?
44. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

    #44 26th June 2012, 12:10

    Yes the xsi lumps are cast. The 1.3 rallye made just over 100 bhp with an alloy block, cant see why using the 1400 alloy block would be too much of a problem providing you use the right gasket
45. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #45 26th June 2012, 12:55

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gandi699 Yes the xsi lumps are cast. The 1.3 rallye made just over 100 bhp with an alloy block, cant see why using the 1400 alloy block would be too much of a problem providing you use the right gasket

    so would you say this setup would work: 1.4 xsi head with rallye inlet and cam on a furio bottom end? would this see 100bhp?
46. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

    #46 26th June 2012, 12:59

    It should work yes, difficult to say what figures it'll make though due to ECU and map differences etc from the xsi to furio. Not sure if the 1400 xsi had higher compression domed pistons either, I dont think it did - also its Z cam is slightly different to the rallye J cam but not by much
47. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #47 26th June 2012, 13:01

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gandi699 It should work yes, difficult to say what figures it'll make though due to ECU and map differences etc from the xsi to furio. Not sure if the 1400 xsi had higher compression domed pistons either, I dont think it did - also its Z cam is slightly different to the rallye J cam but not by much

    hmmm, i'd get both ecu's xsi one and rallye! and try them both! i thought of the "j" cam as ive heard it's a really good cam to use if your on a budget!
48. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

    #48 26th June 2012, 13:11

    you'll need the rallye/xsi looms and mods to you body loom to accept it
49. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #49 26th June 2012, 13:58

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gandi699 you'll need the rallye/xsi looms and mods to you body loom to accept it

    so get both looms aswell!
50. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

    #50 26th June 2012, 14:52

    let me know how you get on with the splicing, I want to do it to mine in future but I cant find an s2 loom and ecu for non-silly money
51. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #51 26th June 2012, 14:54

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gandi699 let me know how you get on with the splicing, I want to do it to mine in future but I cant find an s2 loom and ecu for non-silly money

    will do matey, got raise funds first, might do the xsi head on furio bottom end with rallye cam and inlet using the xsi loom and ecu!
52. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

    #52 26th June 2012, 15:02

    is it going in saxo?
53. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #53 26th June 2012, 15:03

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gandi699 is it going in saxo?

    yh my mark 1 flat arch! go on my progress thread thats at the bottom of this and we can talk on there as this is gibbos thread lol!
54. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

    #54 26th June 2012, 17:21

    So the kid is correct saying his 1400 xsi block is cast.... thats a pain. means i cant have domed pistons if i want to keep an ally bottom end.
    
    So the question is domed pistons and ally block
    
    or
    
    ally block and flat pistons..
55. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #55 26th June 2012, 17:25

    why dont you build a furio bottom end with rallye parts i.e pistons etc... would this work? as on ebay someone has basically stripped a whole rallye engine down! so parts are at a good price?
56. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

    #56 26th June 2012, 17:28

    That was my original plan but if i can get a bottom end with domed pistons it would be "better"..
    
    Its currently however confusing the shit out of me lol.
57. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #57 26th June 2012, 18:04

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MiniGibbo That was my original plan but if i can get a bottom end with domed pistons it would be "better".. Its currently however confusing the shit out of me lol.

    same mate, i dont have the best knowledge of engine so i dont know what are good matches and so on.... what engines have domed pistons as im always online atm looking for work and bargains to buy so i can message you if i find any that you might want!
58. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

    #58 26th June 2012, 20:37

    Sandy replied to my thread on drivers, I'll copy it over as its as you'd expect detailed and bound to be gospel lol..
    
    
    
    "It's more like 23kg between alloy and iron 8v TU. XSi 1.4 and AX GTI blocks are iron. The 16v TU is barely any different in weight to alloy XU 16v and the 1800 16v EW is slightly lighter than 16v TU."
59. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

    #59 27th June 2012, 17:44

    Am i right in thinking my rallye ccc is 1360..
    
    I was looking on ebay at some engines and they state the furio/quicky engines as 1360, surely thatll give me no gain..?
60. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #60 27th June 2012, 17:45

    nope they are a 1294cc
    
    http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/review...ack-1991/8572/
61. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

    #61 27th June 2012, 17:46

    I could of not been a lazy fuck and found that my self LOL..
62. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #62 27th June 2012, 17:48

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MiniGibbo I could of not been a lazy fuck and found that my self LOL..

    haha, i always wondered if they were more cc than they were classed at so had a butchers lol
63. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #63 27th June 2012, 18:50

    gibbo id stick with an ally block..see how you get on..the weight diff will be notable in a car this light
    
    you could skim the head a little to raise the CR..or run a smaller gasket..which will do as domed pistons would
    
    BUT you must check with someone like sandy (or read up) on how much you can go if fitting a rallye head/cam..as you may get valve/piston contact if you go too much
64. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

    #64 27th June 2012, 18:59

    I'm tempted by his iron xsi block if I'm honest for the domed pistons.
    
    Another two lads have offered me 205 xs engines which I'm unsure are ally or iron..?
    
    Edit: I've always been against skimming heads but that's a good idea dude.
65. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #65 27th June 2012, 19:04

    skimming heads is good
    
    dont the 3 plug R engines run domed pistons as well? (not sure as i didnt think they did..but sure i read that not long back)
    
    would be able to pick a full low mile engine up for peanuts if you wanna go cast block
66. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

    #66 27th June 2012, 19:15

    Yeah I read (probably the same thread as you lol) that late vtr's have domed pistons but I'm unsure if the bottom end would be plug and play loom wise..
67. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #67 27th June 2012, 21:12

    as posted on the other page mate
    
    there is only a few sensors on the block..one is oil pressure switch..you can use your own
    other is knock sensor..they were all the same..but could use your own
    and crank sensor..were all same irrc..but can used your own..
    
    thats the only 3 i can think of
    
    rest are on head and inlet/tb/box
68. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

    #68 27th June 2012, 21:16

    205 xs full engine with manifolds, gear box, shafts and all extras with under 100k
    
    £50.
    
    
    Bazinga.
69. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #69 27th June 2012, 21:19

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MiniGibbo 205 xs full engine with manifolds, gear box, shafts and all extras with under 100k £50. Bazinga.

    what a steal!
70. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #70 27th June 2012, 21:24

    may aswell at that price tbh
71. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

    #71 27th June 2012, 21:28

    It's a 1360 ally block and I can weigh the rest I don't use in..