pro's & conn's of a VTR Turbo

18th July 2012, 23:55

First off this may be in the wrong category, if it is , sorry.

basically i may be buying a vtr turbo, just wanted to know mainly do they blow up?
and also any other draw backs or problems they have.

any advice welcome.
thanks

19th July 2012, 00:12

Depends on how well it's been put together and the quality of the parts used and how "highly strung" the thing is.

Again drawbacks will depend on the above.

19th July 2012, 00:26

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Originally Posted by JamesR

Depends on how well it's been put together and the quality of the parts used and how "highly strung" the thing is.

Again drawbacks will depend on the above.

well the turbo kit cost him over a grand,
all parts brand new, hes a fully qualified mechanic who fitted it himself.
and had about £2500 spent on it aswell
from what i understand some of the internals have been up graded too.

19th July 2012, 07:50

sounds like it should be fine. though money doesnt always mean quality. for example, if hes spent near £3000 on a VTR engine why is he willing to sell it to you

19th July 2012, 08:07

tbh a lot of the turbo converted vtrs ive seen are low quality and run poorly

hes spent 3k on the whole thing
i spent 2k on just my ecu loom and mapping for my n/a car as an example of cost doing things properly

id say its piggyback.5th injector setup stock internals ect a proper build will cost a shitload more
if he was in the region of 5-6k id say hes done what he says
for a built motor second hand its cost me allmost 5 and thats without intercooler turbo dump valve wastegate ect ect

get some pics of the engine bay and add them here

blackie might be good for input here his vtr turbo was done well
iirc 218 hp out of a 8v

19th July 2012, 08:41

Like any car in the world. "will it blow up" is an open ended question...

If you park it in the garage and never drive it, no. Never.
If you take it to 7500rpm from cold and hold it on the limiter whilst stationary, yes. Probably after about 2 minutes.
If you drive like a grandma and it never sees boost, good chance it'll last a long time.
If you race in asda carparks doing reverse donuts, less so.

Post up a proper spec list and we'll go from there. As has been pointed out above, spending money doesn't insure quality by any stretch!

19th July 2012, 10:50

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Originally Posted by m4tt274

sounds like it should be fine. though money doesnt always mean quality. for example, if hes spent near £3000 on a VTR engine why is he willing to sell it to you

its just what he does, i had a corsa off him he had converted it to a 1.7 turbo and sold it me for only £700, 6 month later he had owned 3 diferent cars.

19th July 2012, 10:59

il try and get a spec list regarding parts. all i know is it has the 5th injector, up graded internals(not to super race standards) new clutch, cam belt, rear axle, all welding done, the turbo its self has been rebuilt, new drive shafts. other little bits and bobs
selling for £1,400.

reason for sale "iv made it go fast , now i want a new project"

19th July 2012, 12:32

He must have money to burn if he goes through cars that quick! Spending 3k on a car to make it 'go fast' and selling with a loss of over 50%. What a lunatic.

19th July 2012, 12:59

i have spent in total on my vtr turbo around 1500 and i still need a standalone ecu and remap. all adds up but like i say do it properly the 1st time then you wont have to keep fixing it. dont get me wrong you will come across problems . next stage is buy another engine and then go fully forged but thats ermmmmm expensive lool

19th July 2012, 21:38

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Originally Posted by AlexB

blackie might be good for input here his vtr turbo was done well
iirc 218 hp out of a 8v

is that it ?? he musnt of been tyring very hard

19th July 2012, 21:45

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Originally Posted by tweeqd

is that it ?? he musnt of been tyring very hard

im pretty sure his wasnt on forged internals though i meant to add that lol

this is where he wasnt and i look a plank as per

19th July 2012, 21:47

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Originally Posted by Forbes_VTR

up graded internals(not to super race standards)

you either uprate internals or you dont
theres no real grey area of mid spec parts theyre forged or they arent

so "not to super race standards" means hed probably done a bodge job like turn out the piston to lower compression or something
low comps and rod bolts is the minimum if you were too so the only way over that is rods aswell

19th July 2012, 21:47

nahh im not forged..only a dinky turbo too

still pretty good power for what it is

19th July 2012, 21:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexB

tbh a lot of the turbo converted vtrs ive seen are low quality and run poorly

hes spent 3k on the whole thing
i spent 2k on just my ecu loom and mapping for my n/a car as an example of cost doing things properly

id say its piggyback.5th injector setup stock internals ect a proper build will cost a shitload more
if he was in the region of 5-6k id say hes done what he says
for a built motor second hand its cost me allmost 5 and thats without intercooler turbo dump valve wastegate ect ect

get some pics of the engine bay and add them here

blackie might be good for input here his vtr turbo was done well
iirc 218 hp out of a 8v

If you look out for bargains and second hand parts you can get it done a lot cheaper. I bought a Hydra nemesis for around £350 which was a grands worth of ECU and it wouldnt have been any better if i bought a branny spanky one.

19th July 2012, 21:52

id never fit second hand parts in an engine though

ecu yea ok you can get a second hand one and save costs but i wouldnt touch anything like turbos ect second hand

there are ways to save but still at 3500 quid hes done a fair bit of bargain hunting

19th July 2012, 21:54

mine was supposed to be budget build that was done to a fair standard..but most of my parts where either new or reconditioned before fitting..

only things that werent new were the manifold..downpipe and turbo

even had a new diff exhaust made to the one that was with the "turbo kit"

19th July 2012, 22:13

Op is this VTR turbo a blue 52 plate Mk2 with a smoothed boot?

19th July 2012, 23:23

To be fair to blackie though with the setup hes got running, if he kills the bottom end he can easily source another fit his decomp and off he goes again. Forging the bottom end is ideal but with the price of VTR engines as it stands I think it offers good value for money as in power to cost ratio

19th July 2012, 23:30

sad thing is spent alot of money on my car but took word from here that the white springs in the vtr head would be fine if i ran the OE rev limit

ill admit i shouldnt have revved the car the way i did..causing it to drop a valve

but still if id have replaced the valve springs my car would still be running as was..... no issues

since then ive been sold 2 fucked cylinder heads..and possibley a 3rd pending the outcome of the current probs

its really annoying lol..but ran without fault for a year untill i was a silly billy

19th July 2012, 23:55

To be fair valve springs isn't much of a problem as you say, you've just had bad luck with sub standard replacement bits. How many miles did you run it in turbo spec for Blackie?

20th July 2012, 00:26

no idea mate..but i built it to be abused..and by god as soon as it was warmed up properly it did get abused (its been looked after well though)

so its done very well!!

these engines are bullit proof

( to an extent of course)

20th July 2012, 01:06

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Originally Posted by Forbes_VTR

il try and get a spec list regarding parts. all i know is it has the 5th injector, up graded internals(not to super race standards) new clutch, cam belt, rear axle, all welding done, the turbo its self has been rebuilt, new drive shafts. other little bits and bobs
selling for £1,400.

reason for sale "iv made it go fast , now i want a new project"

hmmm they are very vague specs you have there. No one here can give you any firm opinions without a proper spec list or pictures

20th July 2012, 03:25

Pros of a VTR turbo is you show up bigger cars

20th July 2012, 09:28

cons, you might never get it running right

20th July 2012, 16:42

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Originally Posted by sam_16v

Op is this VTR turbo a blue 52 plate Mk2 with a smoothed boot?

yes and no, 2001 i belive

20th July 2012, 17:02

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Originally Posted by LSOfreak

hmmm they are very vague specs you have there. No one here can give you any firm opinions without a proper spec list or pictures

i know, sorry its only been in the early stages of buying, but the sale of my car has fallen thru so i wont be buying the vtr turbo anymore

20th July 2012, 17:13

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Originally Posted by Gandi699

To be fair valve springs isn't much of a problem as you say, you've just had bad luck with sub standard replacement bits. How many miles did you run it in turbo spec for Blackie?

was a problem for me

Wrong springs. 9mm max before binding, with 11mm cams fitted. Whoops.

21st July 2012, 06:26

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Originally Posted by Forbes_VTR

yes and no, 2001 i belive

is it this one?
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=428848

22nd July 2012, 03:11

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Originally Posted by sam_16v

is it this one?
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=428848

cant acsess , post a pic?