vtr to vts engine

9th August 2012, 16:16

Hi guys!
There's a little problem from a big russia )))

I have a VTR saxo, 2000 year, and a pity thing has happend.
The heart of car, engine, have a little hole near a water pump, so when i'm stop the engine, the pressure knock out about 2 litres of coolant in a few seconds, by this hole ((

And then the question arises... what should i do?

i try'd to search same cylinder block, but in russia it's a biiiiig problem.
and i decided to buy aftermarket engine.

but what engine? NFZ like i have now... or something else with more power?
what can i fit in my saxo with a minimum changes (cuz its costs a lot of money here) and using my gearbox, ECU, and etc.? or just go straight and buy a vts engine? what do i need for these swap and what setting will be need?

There's a lot of peugeot 206, but only a few saxo's, 106 and 306.

I will be glad for all kind of opinions and help!
And sorry for my english )))
Cheers!

9th August 2012, 17:45

Hi Kabuki.

Would it be possible for you to find another VTS engine?
It would be the easiest thing for you to do, i doubt you will be able to fix it if it has a hole in the block.
There are no other conversions which are as simple as the VTS engine, unless you want to do lots of work to make them fit.

PS. your English is great.

9th August 2012, 18:00

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Originally Posted by jasonmayall

Hi Kabuki.

Would it be possible for you to find another VTS engine?
It would be the easiest thing for you to do, i doubt you will be able to fix it if it has a hole in the block.
There are no other conversions which are as simple as the VTS engine, unless you want to do lots of work to make them fit.

PS. your English is great.

You didn't understand it that well though

He has a VTR with a hole in the block, and is asking what should he do with minimal changes as part's are expensive.

How much do the VTR 8V engines sell for over there compared to the VTS 16v?

Just swapping the bare engine for another working 8v would be the easiest / cheapest.

That way you keep all your loom + ecu + exhaust etc.

9th August 2012, 18:00

Hi jasonmayall and thanks for reply!

Did you mean another VTR engine? Like i have now, or i didn't get something? )))

i don't know why, but i found it too hard, swap it to the VTS engine.
if i think right, i need to find VTS engine(with all attachments like intake, ignition system and etc.), gearbox, cooling system, VTS throttle cable, top mount, exhaust?, and then program ECU, right?

Or it's all more simple?

Sorry for noob questions, but i tried to search forum, and didn't found answers for all of my questions ))

9th August 2012, 18:06

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Originally Posted by saxova

You didn't understand it that well though

He has a VTR with a hole in the block, and is asking what should he do with minimal changes as part's are expensive.

How much do the VTR 8V engines sell for over there compared to the VTS 16v?

Just swapping the bare engine for another working 8v would be the easiest / cheapest.

That way you keep all your loom + ecu + exhaust etc.

Yep, Saxova, you get me right! ))

i found couple of VTR engines(without attachments) and they are about 500-600 EUR, and only one VTS and he costs 1000 EUR, without attachments too.

9th August 2012, 18:07

You'd need:

16v engine - should come with the basics like inlet manifold / alternator
Would need a 16v loom that fit's your interior loom
need a 16v unlocked ecu
need a 16v exhaust manifold
need a vts throttle cable
need to plump in a fuel return
Your 8v gearbox fits
your 8v starter motor fits
your 8v cooling system fits - just need different hoses
All engine mounts are the same (might have to grind abit off that all)

So a fair bit more hassle than just swapping the engine you have now for another working one.

But if you want the power.. and it's affordable.. go for it

9th August 2012, 18:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxova

You didn't understand it that well though

He has a VTR with a hole in the block, and is asking what should he do with minimal changes as part's are expensive.

How much do the VTR 8V engines sell for over there compared to the VTS 16v?

Just swapping the bare engine for another working 8v would be the easiest / cheapest.

That way you keep all your loom + ecu + exhaust etc.

LOL. Its nearly Friday, I'm tired.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kabuki

Yep, Saxova, you get me right! ))

i found couple of VTR engines(without attachments) and they are about 500-600 EUR, and only one VTS and he costs 1000 EUR, without attachments too.

That's a lot of money! What is the insurance like over there?
Will you need to tell them about the engine change/ is it legal?
Might be worth staying it's the VTR if it's going to affect the other running costs of the car and is an extra 400euro.

9th August 2012, 18:47

ohhh, why i'm living not in the Great Britain?

exactly unlocked ECU, or ECU of these VTS engine will be fine?
and what interior loom means?

and no problem with gearbox? only more acceleration and less top speed with VTR gear ratio?
and with power steering and other?

9th August 2012, 19:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasonmayall

LOL. Its nearly Friday, I'm tired.

That's a lot of money! What is the insurance like over there?
Will you need to tell them about the engine change/ is it legal?
Might be worth staying it's the VTR if it's going to affect the other running costs of the car and is an extra 400euro.

Insurance? don't kidding me )))
With old car(more than 7 years) you can only insure your responsibility, and it coasts about 70-100 EUR, but it don't works well.
This sunday i have an accident where totally lost my ford focus, fault of another person, and i'm gonna check how it really works ))
It's all legal... until accident ))

Probably my choice will be VTR with some power ups title by little... but need to try a VTS way anyway ))

9th August 2012, 19:15

Saxova, basics including:
alternator, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold, injector with fuel sprayers, conditioning compressor?

and how much costs unlocked ECU in GBR?

9th August 2012, 19:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kabuki

Saxova, basics including:
alternator, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold, injector with fuel sprayers, conditioning compressor?

and how much costs unlocked ECU in GBR?

Is that what the engine come's with? You will need all of those. Not clued up on the air conditioning - as our saxo's don't have A/C

Unlocked ECU cost me £55.

The reason in needed a unlocked ECU.. is because your car's immobilizer is coded to your 8V ECU - So you need to remove the immobilizer box and fit a unlocked ECU.

If you buy the engine from a working car before it's removed.. You can unlock the ecu yourself for free.

Just start the car / or leave ignition on.. And remove the immobilizer box whilst running - the ECU will then be unlocked

9th August 2012, 19:31

working VTS here = unbelievable miracle )) it's all need to order from Latvia

9th August 2012, 19:34

Ahh okay.

Worth looking into unlocking then.

Alternatively you can get the immob box + transponder + key from the donor car. Don't know how much that would add up to in russia?

9th August 2012, 19:39

thank you guys, for your advices ))
and i'm gonna check out all i found out today and make a decision )

cheers! from russia with love! ))
wish you more olympic gold medals )