camming my vts

1. consvts Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2012 mayo Posts: 564 92 honda civic eg 4 99 Citroen saxo vts

   #1 13th August 2012, 19:29

   ive ordered cams from kam racing
   
   do i need to change the valves and springs stem seals and pulleys ???
   
   ive read a few threads but still dont no :/
   
   any help be great
2. Cam Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2010 Kent Posts: 8439 Gen 7 Celica 190.

   #2 13th August 2012, 19:30

   Depends what cams you ordered...
3. user_57064 Established Member Joined: Jan 2012 south essex!! Posts: 2442 posi blue vtrs race car

   #3 13th August 2012, 19:32

   Im pretty sure its advisable to yeah but the cost goes up massively because its head off then... New head gasket, bolts and top end gaskets...
4. consvts Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2012 mayo Posts: 564 92 honda civic eg 4 99 Citroen saxo vts

   #4 13th August 2012, 19:46

   well which would see better gains the newman ph4 tarmac ones or the catcam 1321743's?? i can change the order tomorrow
5. Cam Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2010 Kent Posts: 8439 Gen 7 Celica 190.

   #5 13th August 2012, 19:51

   743's you can use on standerd head and internals, i would advice changeing the cam seals though.
6. consvts Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2012 mayo Posts: 564 92 honda civic eg 4 99 Citroen saxo vts

   #6 13th August 2012, 19:52

   i will be going down he route of a turbo next summer
7. user_34323 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2009 ringwood Posts: 6305 suzuki swift 1.2 sz3

   #7 14th August 2012, 02:01

   Then don't cam it then.
8. Bim Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2012 Sweden, Ytterby Posts: 199 Citroen Saxo VTS -98 Volvo S70 T5 -99

   #8 14th August 2012, 07:57

   Does standard vts cams work Good with turbo?
9. user_29491 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Lancs Posts: 4124 JP4S'd R.

   #9 14th August 2012, 07:59

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Bim Does standard vts cams work Good with turbo?

   Yeah.
10. consvts Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2012 mayo Posts: 564 92 honda civic eg 4 99 Citroen saxo vts

    #10 14th August 2012, 12:18

    would not get more from camming it first no??
11. user_39461 Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.

    #11 14th August 2012, 14:05

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by consvts well which would see better gains the newman ph4 tarmac ones or the catcam 1321743's?? i can change the order tomorrow

    PH4's require modified pistons. 743's do not.
    
    Standard cams are find for up to 300hp on a boosted lump.
12. mk1vts1 Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2012 wirral Posts: 212

    #12 14th August 2012, 15:09

    catcams... 743's? 705's? or 708's? which ones should i get as i dont want internal work needing i want to be able to run standard pullys and inlet...
13. user_39461 Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.

    #13 14th August 2012, 15:19

    708's or PH3's are the limit pretty much on standard internals. It's not the inlet and pulleys you need to think about, it's the pistons. 708's have 10mm of lift. 743's are an updated version of the 708 (also with 10mm of lift) so are also fine.
    
    734's are more agressive with 10.9mm lift and also require different springs.
    
    You will not maximise the cams without a remap whichever cams you choose however.
14. mk1vts1 Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2012 wirral Posts: 212

    #14 14th August 2012, 15:23

    what about the 705's?
15. user_39461 Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.

    #15 14th August 2012, 15:29

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mk1vts1 what about the 705's?

    705's are longer duration but shorter lift than the 708/743. I don't know anyone running them in a saxo tbh (although I'm sure some do), so may be better speaking to a catcam dealer (like KAM Racing here) for specific advice.
    
    I don't think they will require a remap looking at their specs.
16. mk1vts1 Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2012 wirral Posts: 212

    #16 14th August 2012, 15:41

    Okay ill call them tomorrow, im looking at 708's then
17. Cam Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2010 Kent Posts: 8439 Gen 7 Celica 190.

    #17 14th August 2012, 15:43

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mk1vts1 Okay ill call them tomorrow, im looking at 708's then

    May aswell get the 743's same price better gains....
18. user_39461 Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.

    #18 14th August 2012, 15:50

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Cam May aswell get the 743's same price better gains....

    this ^
19. mk1vts1 Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2012 wirral Posts: 212

    #19 14th August 2012, 16:06

    Sound what gains with a remap
20. Cam Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2010 Kent Posts: 8439 Gen 7 Celica 190.

    #20 14th August 2012, 16:15

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mk1vts1 Sound what gains with a remap

    People claim up to 155bhp but your more looking at the 145bhp range from what i read, i got the 743's but not been remapped yet also running standerd timing marks can run lumpy and will cut out once in a while.
21. mk1vts1 Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2012 wirral Posts: 212

    #21 14th August 2012, 17:38

    I think mine has uprated valves and springs because it was cammed before i bought it, i have a dyno the way it is now at 131.4bhp
22. mk1vts1 Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2012 wirral Posts: 212

    #22 15th August 2012, 11:45

    anyone?