oil radiator

1. Igorbio Infrequent Poster Joined: Jul 2010 Moscow Posts: 145 Saxo VTS mk2

   #1 24th August 2012, 11:04

   does stock VTS need oil radiator for track use?
   same question for 743 (or 708) cams?
   
   what are shopping options? or it is strictly DIY thing?
2. user_34323 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2009 ringwood Posts: 6305 suzuki swift 1.2 sz3

   #2 24th August 2012, 11:05

   Is your car overheating? What's the length of time you're going to be on track?
3. Igorbio Infrequent Poster Joined: Jul 2010 Moscow Posts: 145 Saxo VTS mk2

   #3 24th August 2012, 11:17

   Nope. Right now it's ok even in hot weather.
   Max session time is 20 minutes long.
   
   Will mild cams change something in heat department?
4. user_34323 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2009 ringwood Posts: 6305 suzuki swift 1.2 sz3

   #4 24th August 2012, 13:32

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Igorbio Nope. Right now it's ok even in hot weather. Max session time is 20 minutes long. Will mild cams change something in heat department?

   
   You should be alright with good quailty oil. 20 minutes is hardly a long time

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5. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

   #5 24th August 2012, 13:43

   id say youd be ok.with the standard heat exchamger setup
   if you do notice temps going up get a thermostatted 13 row as a max
   
   non.thermostat is a big no no
   
   im running a rallye oil cooler on my vtr and done 25 minute session no issues
6. Igorbio Infrequent Poster Joined: Jul 2010 Moscow Posts: 145 Saxo VTS mk2

   #6 25th August 2012, 07:07

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by AlexB id say youd be ok.with the standard heat exchamger setup if you do notice temps going up get a thermostatted 13 row as a max non.thermostat is a big no no im running a rallye oil cooler on my vtr and done 25 minute session no issues

   could you explain the thermostat bit, I didn't quite understood you...
7. user_34323 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2009 ringwood Posts: 6305 suzuki swift 1.2 sz3

   #7 25th August 2012, 08:10

   In the sandwich plate between the oil filter and the engine, it has a thermostat in it. Basically it stops you cooling cold oil
8. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

   #8 25th August 2012, 09:33

   same theory as the thermostat in your cooling system
   lets theboil get to a certain temp before it allows it past to be cooled
   
   over cooling an engine is just as bad as aver heating
9. user_54826 Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2011 Patras Greece Posts: 352 Ford Focus 2.5 ST Citroen Saxo Vts 16v race car

   #9 25th August 2012, 09:59

   I dont have a thermostat in my oil cooler...
   
   I fitted the cooler set up because after 5-6 laps in a kart track the oil indicator would come up ( red light ) for high temperature
10. bunty99 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2012 Northumberland Posts: 112 MK 1 Posi Blue Saxo

    #10 25th August 2012, 13:36

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AlexFocusST I dont have a thermostat in my oil cooler... I fitted the cooler set up because after 5-6 laps in a kart track the oil indicator would come up ( red light ) for high temperature

    alex do u have any problems with day to day driving not havin a thermostat fitted..
11. user_34323 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2009 ringwood Posts: 6305 suzuki swift 1.2 sz3

    #11 25th August 2012, 17:06

    It won't be day to day driving that'll cause problems, you'll be ruining your oil, and engine on startups. Utterly stupid.
12. bunty99 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2012 Northumberland Posts: 112 MK 1 Posi Blue Saxo

    #12 25th August 2012, 17:14

    think al just fork out for thermostatic plate then.. save hassle in future...
13. user_39821 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2009 Uckfield, East Sussex Posts: 3362 Citroen saxo 1.4 furio

    #13 25th August 2012, 17:59

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wadoryu It won't be day to day driving that'll cause problems, you'll be ruining your oil, and engine on startups. Utterly stupid.

    Oil is always cold on startup no matter what oil cooling setup you have. The problem will be the rate in which the oil gets to temperature
14. user_34323 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2009 ringwood Posts: 6305 suzuki swift 1.2 sz3

    #14 25th August 2012, 18:01

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by adamskiTNR Oil is always cold on startup no matter what oil cooling setup you have. The problem will be the rate in which the oil gets to temperature

    Yup, but the rate will be a lot longer. Plus of you're driving carefully at low revs and your oil cools down do you really want to cool it further? In the end Id rather spend the £20 on a thermostat.
15. bunty99 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2012 Northumberland Posts: 112 MK 1 Posi Blue Saxo

    #15 25th August 2012, 18:49

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wadoryu Yup, but the rate will be a lot longer. Plus of you're driving carefully at low revs and your oil cools down do you really want to cool it further? In the end Id rather spend the £20 on a thermostat.

    cheapest thermostat i can find is £44 please tell me where i can get one for £20
16. user_34323 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2009 ringwood Posts: 6305 suzuki swift 1.2 sz3

    #16 25th August 2012, 19:09

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bunty99 cheapest thermostat i can find is £44 please tell me where i can get one for £20

    Whoops I ment extra lol, my bad.
17. bunty99 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2012 Northumberland Posts: 112 MK 1 Posi Blue Saxo

    #17 25th August 2012, 19:25

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wadoryu Whoops I ment extra lol, my bad.

    glad u made a.mistake now i can stop looking for one for £20 lol..
18. user_54826 Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2011 Patras Greece Posts: 352 Ford Focus 2.5 ST Citroen Saxo Vts 16v race car

    #18 27th August 2012, 00:32

    Car wasn't really used for day to day driving , only too and from my local track.
    Never had any problem with oil temp , after a while of ordinary low rev driving oil temp gauge would sit just under half . Max temp on track was at 3/4
    
    Though i never got around to testing 10-60 race oil to see how that reacts heat wise
19. user_57064 Established Member Joined: Jan 2012 south essex!! Posts: 2442 posi blue vtrs race car

    #19 27th August 2012, 00:34

    10-60...
    
    You mad bro?!
    
    10-50 is max i would go to with an engine built with that oil in mind...
20. user_54826 Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2011 Patras Greece Posts: 352 Ford Focus 2.5 ST Citroen Saxo Vts 16v race car

    #20 27th August 2012, 09:11

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by greyjasper51 10-60... You mad bro?! 10-50 is max i would go to with an engine built with that oil in mind...

    
    Not yet ( though many think think so )
    
    The thing is 10/60 oil has worked wonders on my brothers cosworth powered escort , a friend uses it oin his sierra rs , bmw give it for the top end M models and almost everyone use it on track...
    
    Do take in mind temperatures here in Greece tend to be over 35 for about 4-5 months per year
21. user_34323 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2009 ringwood Posts: 6305 suzuki swift 1.2 sz3

    #21 27th August 2012, 14:17

    10w60 is stupid, on an engine designed for 10/40
22. user_4681 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2004 Grimsby United Kingdom (England) Posts: 5489 SUPERCHARGED saxo vts

    #22 27th August 2012, 15:35

    i found the standard oil heat cooler exchange thing needed to go in the bin for a proper thermo operated mocal cooler. this was way back when the cars only mods was r888 tyres, lowered on stock dampers, 266 brakes and pair of bucket seats.
    
    i dont think the standard coolers are up to it if you are going to be going at a decent rate.