Important! : 1.1 to vtr conversion Electrical issues loom ECU etc

  1. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 224 106 Indepedence with 1.6 vtr , 106 1.0 96 Runabo
    #1
    Okay so basically my mate has a vtr engine out of his car he isnt using and has said i can have it.

    So i went round today to have a look at it and found out it was a single plug engine having done some research on this prior I was a bit put off by this...

    But i have spent a little time looking a bit deeper into it and iv dug up some more information i would just like it to be confirmed by some one who knows better than me before i go ahead.

    so here goes

    ALL 3 PLUG LOOMS WORK TOGETHER 1.1 TO 1.6 AS LONG AS 8 VALVE ? - so i could use the loom out of my 1.1?

    1.6 VTR WITH OLD SINGLE PLUG TYPE SENSORS WILL NEED CHANGING TO NEW ONES TO BE COMPATABLE WITH 3 PLUG ? - pretty sure of this

    WOULD THE SENSORS OFF OF MY 1.1 3 PLUG ENGINE WORK/FIT IN THE VTR ENGINE? - any one done this before

    I WOULD ALSO NEED A UNLOCKED/DECODED 3PLUG VTR ECU ? - definitely need this

    All help and any more info on the subject will be greatly appreciated
  2. Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch
    #2
    the best thing to do mate is get and engine with the same loom pin as your car orginally! so like me i went for a single plug loom and engine as my car is a single plug! will save you so much hassle and takes 2 mins to change a loom! the ecu you get will have to be unlocked unless you get the ignition and key with it (i think) if you just get an unlocked ecu take out the imbolisser first as it will lock your new ecu (guide on here)
  3. Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio
    #3
    if u have a 3 plug mk2 1.1 and wanting to fit a single plug mk1 vtr engine then i have the loom u need to fit the engine in ( 2000 w reg vtr crossover engine loom) it took me months to find it and payed £50 for it. Im after £30 posted and its urs
  4. Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2011 alfreton Posts: 533 saxoo vtr mk1, 104bhp
    #4
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by carlsmith715 View Post
    if u have a 3 plug mk2 1.1 and wanting to fit a single plug mk1 vtr engine then i have the loom u need to fit the engine in ( 2000 w reg vtr crossover engine loom) it took me months to find it and payed £50 for it. Im after £30 posted and its urs
    Bargain!
  5. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 224 106 Indepedence with 1.6 vtr , 106 1.0 96 Runabo
    #5
    okay the thing is iv read that a 3 plug loom should work in it if i change the old type sensors to the new type and the ht pack to a grey plug one ,

    what i really wanna know is will the sensors off the 1.1 fit the vtr engine

    and would my ht(coil)pack work on the 1.6 cant see any reason for it not to

    would be great if theres some one on here whos done this before ..

    thanks for the help though guys
  6. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Lancs Posts: 4124 JP4S'd R.
    #6
    Not sure if a 1.1 coilpack or sensors are the same or not mate.

    Only a few quid for sensors off here anyways
  7. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 224 106 Indepedence with 1.6 vtr , 106 1.0 96 Runabo
    #7
    Okay Im not sure I put it clear enough bit confused my self tbh :-S

    so ill try to make as clear as possible

    Not cussing the splicing but id rather do it by swapping sensors etc

    My car is a:

    -106 1.1 3 plug version

    What i have to go in it is:

    -Saxo Vtr single plug engine - it has no loom or alternator ...

    -a unlocked 3 plug VTR ecu

    -a 3 plug loom - off the 1.1


    I need to know:

    - What sensors do i have to change on the VTR engine for it to work with the 3 plug loom and ecu

    - Will the alternator off the 1.1 fit onto the VTR

    - Will the coil pack off the 1.1 fit onto the VTR
  8. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 224 106 Indepedence with 1.6 vtr , 106 1.0 96 Runabo
    #8
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by saxova View Post
    Not sure if a 1.1 coilpack or sensors are the same or not mate.

    Only a few quid for sensors off here anyways
    Sorry mate didnt see you replied must of been whilst i was writing that essay

    Okay so what sensors did you change when you did yours if you remember?
  9. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 224 106 Indepedence with 1.6 vtr , 106 1.0 96 Runabo
    #9
    BUMP
  10. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 224 106 Indepedence with 1.6 vtr , 106 1.0 96 Runabo
    #10
    anyone know what sensors you need to change on a 1 plug vtr engine for it to work on a 3 plug one ?
  11. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 224 106 Indepedence with 1.6 vtr , 106 1.0 96 Runabo
    #11
    bit of reasearch has turned up that you can use a 1.1 coilpack with the engine btw its a silver top 2000 reg so its in the cross over year if this helps with sensors i need to change
  12. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Lancs Posts: 4124 JP4S'd R.
    #12
    Was over a year ago now - things like TPS / blue + green temp sensors / injector relay loom / coilpack connector / alternator connection (i just cut the plug off - and connected a ring terminal on the end and it's worked flawlessly for over a year)

    Will all be obvious once you've got the 1 plug engine in - just connect what you can - then will be able see which you need to change.

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  13. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 224 106 Indepedence with 1.6 vtr , 106 1.0 96 Runabo
    #13
    Well im getting it in a about 3 / 4 hours
    so ill know then i went to look at it the other day and the sensors looked pretty similar tbh so hopefully theyll be only a couple to change

    And ill be using my original coil pack and alternator off the 1.1 so theyll deffo fit the loom

    which pretty much just leaves the temp sensors crank and air sensor i think ?
  14. Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio
    #14
    if you come across any problems i have the loom and the coil pack you need without changing any sensors at all just a plug and play loom makes it alot easier on you and stops all the questions and trials of which sensors to fit

    sorry to post again on your thread but it just seems to me like your going the hard way about it
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  15. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 224 106 Indepedence with 1.6 vtr , 106 1.0 96 Runabo
    #15
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by carlsmith715 View Post
    if you come across any problems i have the loom and the coil pack you need without changing any sensors at all just a plug and play loom makes it alot easier on you and stops all the questions and trials of which sensors to fit

    sorry to post again on your thread but it just seems to me like your going the hard way about it
    Dont be sorry I appreciate everyones input

    Okay well once iv got the engine ill have a look at it, and make a decision on the best way to go ... I would prefer to do it with just the sensors because then its not a mix and match of different year stuff so if i ever wanted a new sensor for example i can go to motor factors and know it will be a mk2 type if you know what i mean.

    Also would like to try using the 1.1 sensors because i already have them

    If it turns out to be more hassle than its worth ill give up and get a conversion loom
  16. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 224 106 Indepedence with 1.6 vtr , 106 1.0 96 Runabo
    #16
    also another thing is i only have a unlocked 3 plug vtr ECU unless your loom is 3 plug to 1 plug engine to the bigger plug on the car type it will be the wrong one
  17. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 224 106 Indepedence with 1.6 vtr , 106 1.0 96 Runabo
    #17
    temperature sensors are generic between 1.1 and VTR as is the coil pack and iv already got the alternator covered (in fact the temp sensors are generic from 1.1 to vts/gti)

    Cant seem to find much on the injector relay loom also don't know much about them anyone know if one off a 1.1 would work ok ?
  18. Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio
    #18
    the loom i have took me months to source its from a 2000 mk2 w reg it has the single plug ecu and has the larger type plug behind the passenger headlight. Its what i used to put a mk1 vtr engine in my mk2 furio. If u change your mind just pm me i would be happy to help if i can.
    Also just curious if u got 1.1 u wont have the dials to match vtr. Have u thought about changing the interior loom to match vtr so u have the rpm and water temp guages. Or would u be interested in some 52mm guages digital rpm and plasma water temp. Pm about anything if needed
  19. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #19
    havent read all replys but simplest thing to do is fit vtr engine with the single plug ecu/loom and cut off the chassis multiplug connector and solder on your 1,1 connector people such as tom5190 can do this for you if you send him both looms he'll send you back a plug and play loom
  20. Regular Poster Joined: Jul 2012 Dundee Posts: 488 Looking for 16v furio.
    #20
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jeffchiz View Post
    havent read all replys but simplest thing to do is fit vtr engine with the single plug ecu/loom and cut off the chassis multiplug connector and solder on your 1,1 connector people such as tom5190 can do this for you if you send him both looms he'll send you back a plug and play loom
    This is exactly correct
  21. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 224 106 Indepedence with 1.6 vtr , 106 1.0 96 Runabo
    #21
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jeffchiz View Post
    havent read all replys but simplest thing to do is fit vtr engine with the single plug ecu/loom and cut off the chassis multiplug connector and solder on your 1,1 connector people such as tom5190 can do this for you if you send him both looms he'll send you back a plug and play loom
    i dont have the single plug loom or a single plug ecu ... i have the engine now will put up picks tomoz after work and the 3plug loom is in the car which i need to get around so i cant send it off
  22. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 224 106 Indepedence with 1.6 vtr , 106 1.0 96 Runabo
    #22
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by carlsmith715 View Post
    the loom i have took me months to source its from a 2000 mk2 w reg it has the single plug ecu and has the larger type plug behind the passenger headlight. Its what i used to put a mk1 vtr engine in my mk2 furio. If u change your mind just pm me i would be happy to help if i can.
    Also just curious if u got 1.1 u wont have the dials to match vtr. Have u thought about changing the interior loom to match vtr so u have the rpm and water temp guages. Or would u be interested in some 52mm guages digital rpm and plasma water temp. Pm about anything if needed
    Why wouldnt the rev counter work?

    As i got one in the 1.1 and surely if i were using a 3plug vtr ecu and my old 1.1 loom they would work

    Not bothered about temp gauge as the car doesn't have one anyway only a over temp light
  23. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 224 106 Indepedence with 1.6 vtr , 106 1.0 96 Runabo
    #23
    have just come to my senses ... cant believe been so thick not to see how much easier it is to buy a conversion loom (why make life hard on yourself ehh?)

    will hopefully get one off carlsmith715 if he hasnt got annoyed that i took so long to make up my mind
  24. Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio
    #24
    i wouldnt get annoyed its been for sale for months now. When i got the loom everyone wanted one and know nobody wants it. Co insidence or what. Just pm'ed back anyways
  25. Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch
    #25
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jeffchiz View Post
    havent read all replys but simplest thing to do is fit vtr engine with the single plug ecu/loom and cut off the chassis multiplug connector and solder on your 1,1 connector people such as tom5190 can do this for you if you send him both looms he'll send you back a plug and play loom
    could tom sort out a rallye loom spliced into a saxo loom?
  26. Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio
    #26
    does he need to get a loom spliced or will the crossover loom i have work?
    just curios how much does it cost to get the looms spliced by tom?
    plus he would have to buy two looms to get spliced as his car is a daily as he mentioned in previous posts.
  27. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 224 106 Indepedence with 1.6 vtr , 106 1.0 96 Runabo
    #27
    Ok so heres some photos

    engine from top



    did come with a loom just with the original plug to the car cut off





    the exhaust manifold i got with it - is it any good ? looks it and have been told its a good one (i know neither mean anything)



  28. Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio
    #28
    pics dont work for me
  29. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 224 106 Indepedence with 1.6 vtr , 106 1.0 96 Runabo
    #29
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by carlsmith715 View Post
    pics dont work for me
    Heres some links

    http://freephotohosting.co.uk/pm-J40V.html

    http://freephotohosting.co.uk/pm-420H.html

    http://freephotohosting.co.uk/pm-MGIJ.html

    http://freephotohosting.co.uk/pm-4ZSO.html

    http://freephotohosting.co.uk/pm-K474.html
  30. Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio
    #30
    that looks like the silver top mk1 engine which i had this loom connected so it will fit your car spot on
  31. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 224 106 Indepedence with 1.6 vtr , 106 1.0 96 Runabo
    #31
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by carlsmith715 View Post
    that looks like the silver top mk1 engine which i had this loom connected so it will fit your car spot on
    It is mate so should fit ... touch wood
  32. Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio
    #32
    no touching wood i bough that same and was told it was a mk2 engine
    which is why i had to source this loom to get it running
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  33. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 224 106 Indepedence with 1.6 vtr , 106 1.0 96 Runabo
    #33
    some phots of the engine in my car

    from the top



    link : http://freephotohosting.co.uk/pm-5908.html

    Plug connector

    http://freephotohosting.co.uk/di-KXZT.jpg

    http://freephotohosting.co.uk/dt-KXZT.jpg

    ECU



    http://freephotohosting.co.uk/pm-BSBJ.html
  34. Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio
    #34




    this is what you are buying just so you know
  35. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 224 106 Indepedence with 1.6 vtr , 106 1.0 96 Runabo
    #35
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by carlsmith715 View Post
    no touching wood i bough that same and was told it was a mk2 engine
    which is why i had to source this loom to get it running
    yeahh i know but best to be safe
  36. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 224 106 Indepedence with 1.6 vtr , 106 1.0 96 Runabo
    #36
    Looommkkks spott on to me matee , you throwing in the feul pump relay (plz say yes i need oneee)
  37. Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio
    #37
    yep it is u know i actually bought like 4 looms looking for this one as people didnt even know what they was selling on this site at the time. but saying that that was why i ended up with a mk1 engine in first place though
    but i will let you know as soon as i send it

    that relay you on about the one under the ecu if so then yeas you will receive one and a spare as i dont have the saxo anymore so no need for parts

    what colour is your saxo?
  38. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 224 106 Indepedence with 1.6 vtr , 106 1.0 96 Runabo
    #38
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by carlsmith715 View Post
    yep it is u know i actually bought like 4 looms looking for this one as people didnt even know what they was selling on this site at the time. but saying that that was why i ended up with a mk1 engine in first place though
    but i will let you know as soon as i send it

    that relay you on about the one under the ecu if so then yeas you will receive one and a spare as i dont have the saxo anymore so no need for parts

    what colour is your saxo?
    yeah thats the feul pump relay

    My pug is moonshine blue (silvery blue) or if your on about my old saxo it was white death trap that was i do miss her thoo
  39. Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio
    #39
    you got any pics of your pug at minute or got a progress thread on it
  40. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 224 106 Indepedence with 1.6 vtr , 106 1.0 96 Runabo
    #40
    Not yet but i can put one up but its been lowered since new oe mirrors and bump strips have been back to blacked




  41. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 224 106 Indepedence with 1.6 vtr , 106 1.0 96 Runabo
    #41
    http://freephotohosting.co.uk/pm-66Y3.html

    newer one lowered and new mirrors



    http://freephotohosting.co.uk/pm-7V0I.html

    My interior - seats need a clean



    http://freephotohosting.co.uk/pm-KWAN.html

    Dials - the clocks on the older ones



    http://freephotohosting.co.uk/pm-2MW4.html

    What do you recon? Im going to put a gti body kit on it after the engine thoo
  42. Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio
    #42
    look alryt man. I like the interior looks different to me. Dont put gti kit on it keep it flat arch and slam it on 14 inch alloys
  43. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 224 106 Indepedence with 1.6 vtr , 106 1.0 96 Runabo
    #43
    i want some alloys off a 306 but painted a darkish silver like on this

    http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y20...Picture026.jpg

    http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y20...Picture026.jpg

    yeahh and i wanna make it lower im thinking about getting coilovers i want airbags but they cost too much
  44. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 224 106 Indepedence with 1.6 vtr , 106 1.0 96 Runabo
    #44
    unlocked single plug ecu arrived today and have sold the 3 plug one for more happy days
  45. Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio
    #45
    just dont buy the cheap coilovers on ebay they are really bad apparently but you could pick some decent ones up off here when you get to 100 posts and can see for sale section
  46. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 224 106 Indepedence with 1.6 vtr , 106 1.0 96 Runabo
    #46
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by carlsmith715 View Post
    just dont buy the cheap coilovers on ebay they are really bad apparently but you could pick some decent ones up off here when you get to 100 posts and can see for sale section
    i better get posting more then

    do you know any good names for them i can tell the one on ebay are crap they even look cheap
  47. Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio
    #47
    gaz coilovers are suppose to be good but just pay a little more for them, as to me is one place of the car that shudnt be cheap as its what makes your handle and keep you on the road
    but it does depend on how low you want to go to weather you need coilovers or just a lowering kit
  48. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 224 106 Indepedence with 1.6 vtr , 106 1.0 96 Runabo
    #48
    ill have a look into getting some after im done with the conversion

    The loom arrived today and fits the big plug on my car so its the right one for my car thanks for that carl

    my phone's broken so there wont be any photos for a while till i get a new one

    im hoping to do the conversion not this weekend but next cause i got work this weekend

    any advice on doing the conversion to help it go nice and smoothly
  49. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 224 106 Indepedence with 1.6 vtr , 106 1.0 96 Runabo
    #49
    Haven't been able to get online because have been ridiculously busy at work

    Im hoping to start doing the engine conversion this weekend May even be able to start tomorrow moring

    Does any one know of a guide preferably with pictures of the engine removal and refitting

    What im planning on doing is
    Take bonnet off

    jack car up

    take Drive shafts out and then unbolt gearbox

    take off alternator all cooling hoses and air etc

    unplug old loom

    undo engine mounts

    Lift engine out with forklift

    and reverse to refit
  50. Newbie Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 5 106 gti rep
    #50
    has any1 got a crossover loom for sale thanks
  51. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 224 106 Indepedence with 1.6 vtr , 106 1.0 96 Runabo
    #51
    didnt use mine in the end so you can buy it if you like pm me