Vts or vtr?.....o-oh

1. Supremo Newbie Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 10

   #1 8th September 2012, 22:30

   Hi, possibly wrong section?
   
   I know this has probably been asked a lot. I have used search and google etc but just wanted some fresh opinions.
   
   Insurance isn't a prob...And although not as many about, vts's don't seem too much more than VTRs.
   
   So what are the pros and cons of each?
   
   Would all you vtr owners prefer to have a vts?
   
   Cheers
   
   X
2. harry289 Established Member Joined: Oct 2009 Lincolnshire Posts: 1633 Icelandic Grey Saxo VTR

   #2 8th September 2012, 22:38

   Had both. Depends what you want from a car and what you mainly use it for? If you want to pay the extra fuel, extra tax and insurance?
   
   VTR's are very good on fuel for their performance.. Each of the 3 VTR's I've had get around 420-450 miles to a tank normal driving.
   
   VTS' sound awesome with the 16v engines, rev more and have a little bit more pull top end. They also benefit from ABS if you want that, electric wing mirrors and extra air bags.
   
   The best value for money car in the Saxo range is by far the Saxo VTR in my opinion, I've had 3 and will probably have one more! I use mine as a track/fast road car so no need for ABS, air bags, immobiliser or the slightly comfier interior.

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3. chinkostu Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2008 The wrong carpark Posts: 5152 Xantia 1.9TD

   #3 9th September 2012, 00:17

   Stick a better gearbox on a vtr and it beings the car out a bit more as the stock box is dreadfully long. However the vts is far faster and better equipped.
4. user_39461 Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.

   #4 9th September 2012, 00:28

   Quote:

   VTS' sound awesome with the 16v engines, rev more and have a little bit more pull top end. They also benefit from ABS if you want that

   The 16v has a lot more pull everywhere IMO.
   
   Abs was an option on the Vtr too so iLife this important to you, they do exist
5. harry289 Established Member Joined: Oct 2009 Lincolnshire Posts: 1633 Icelandic Grey Saxo VTR

   #5 10th September 2012, 01:04

   Yeah the 16v engines are very lively!
   
   BIG has ABS on his VTR doesn't he. They are really rare to find though.
   
   My ideal would be a 16v converted VTR. But that's just me
6. user_39461 Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.

   #6 10th September 2012, 01:07

   Alexb also had a abs Vtr iirc
7. harry289 Established Member Joined: Oct 2009 Lincolnshire Posts: 1633 Icelandic Grey Saxo VTR

   #7 10th September 2012, 01:50

   Prefer to use my foot as the ABS
8. titchster Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2008 Down't road from Sheffield Posts: 4641 Was:16v 106 XS ..... Now: Import 1.8 MX5

   #8 10th September 2012, 02:35

   VTS.
   
   
   It has 16v and a decent gearbox. And AFAIK, they're pretty much the only differences between a VTR and VTS.
9. danny-vts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2010 Chesterfield/Nottingham Posts: 7147 dead vts. twisted 106 gti. '03' vtrrrr

   #9 10th September 2012, 09:28

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Ross Alexb also had a abs Vtr iirc

   i also have abs on my vtr
   
   OP, if you want a mk2 vtr , buy mine lol
10. user_51831 Regular Poster Joined: Apr 2011 Wrexham, North Wales Posts: 307 Gold Saxo VTS & a Yellow S2000

    #10 10th September 2012, 11:24

    Had 2 VTR's and always felt pissed off when i saw a GTI/VTS so now i've got a VTS. Just get the VTS if insurance is not a problem, they are certainly cheap enough to buy! I found insurance a big problem few years ago.
11. user_21226 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 wirral Posts: 6348 Icelandic vtr turbo

    #11 15th September 2012, 18:06

    When looking at insurance it was cheaper to insure my vtr turbo than a standard Vts
12. bigezz Infrequent Poster Joined: Jul 2012 perth Posts: 224 106 gti cheery red, 106 rallye phase 2 blaca white

    #12 15th September 2012, 18:53

    vts vtrs are for pussys ; )
13. Scottp Administrator Joined: Dec 2002 Glasgow United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 26097 Chelski Traktor

    #13 16th September 2012, 21:33

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Aidan-106 tunned vtr

    Tunning, it's the new big thing for mega break horse powwa!!!
14. Scottp Administrator Joined: Dec 2002 Glasgow United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 26097 Chelski Traktor

    #14 16th September 2012, 22:00

    What's the point in a 7.5k limit when a vtr has ran way past peak power :s
15. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #15 16th September 2012, 22:00

    "rally" setup??
    
    i know a few rally cars with only light mods
16. Aidan-106 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2011 felixstowe, suffolk Posts: 149 Citroen ax vtr turbo

    #16 16th September 2012, 22:06

    ok rallye and it works quite well with the rallye box
17. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #17 16th September 2012, 22:10

    rallye isnt a 7.5 limiter its a 7.2 and thats past the vtrs cam peak so pointless tbh
    
    if you have a rallye head and inlet on the 1.6 yea thats allright
    
    still not 7.5k though
    
    an s2 rallye box works well on the 6.2 vtr limiter trust me i have one lol
18. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

    #18 16th September 2012, 22:10

    if you can afford the more tax, insurance and fuel costs then i'd say a vts
    Not much in it tbh apart from one having 8 more valves which gives it a respectable 0-60 time.
    
    Harry289 - you can get 450miles to a tank!!?? i struggle to reach 300 lol and thats if im trying hard!
19. crutchs Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 chester Posts: 612 VTR mk 2

    #19 16th September 2012, 22:26

    I get about 430 out of my vtr. I like it and wouldn't mind and extra 8v at some times but its cheaper on insurance and tax so I like it
    
    -alex B fan of TMB in the signature then
20. user_39461 Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.

    #20 16th September 2012, 22:29

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Scott Tunning, it's the new big thing for mega break horse powwa!!!

    Brake
    <hugs>
21. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #21 16th September 2012, 22:35

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rorz_vts When looking at insurance it was cheaper to insure my vtr turbo than a standard Vts

    That was the main reason I turbo'd my R
    
    Cammed R just wasn't enough and insurance on a vtr turbo was about 600 cheaper then a standard vts :confused:
22. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

    #22 16th September 2012, 22:36

    I went to a S
    
    Shes bliss after 3.5k/4k imo.
    
    nippy enough for me and all that soppy stuff.
23. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #23 16th September 2012, 22:40

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by crutchs -alex B fan of TMB in the signature then

    yea i am a little of a fan lol
    have a skoda and a beard so medium pimping and quirky are my fave songs
    
    
    i went for my vtr as it was 500 quid
    had 16v
    cammed 16v
    8v
    breathed 8v
    breathed 16v
    forged itbd 16v
    
    tbh depending how you drive it you can have as much fun in most of them
24. firehorizon Regular Poster Joined: May 2009 Kent Posts: 294 renault 5 ( gtt lookalike) peugeot 106 1.1 , saxo

    #24 23rd September 2012, 07:09

    ive got a 106 with 3 plug vtr with raceland airbox and a 1.1 gearbox pulls quicker than my old vts but slows down at 125 at top end but who does top speed most time anyway its all about acelleration, grip, downforce, lightweight, but then as blackie said its possible to just turbo it later for more power or ITB's
25. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #25 23rd September 2012, 08:57

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by firehorizon ive got a 106 with 3 plug vtr with raceland airbox and a 1.1 gearbox pulls quicker than my old vts

    Your vts was fucked then.
26. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #26 23rd September 2012, 09:06

    my vtr with a higher spec than the above (made 110hp) with an xsi box was only on par with a 16v in a straight line
27. firehorizon Regular Poster Joined: May 2009 Kent Posts: 294 renault 5 ( gtt lookalike) peugeot 106 1.1 , saxo

    #27 23rd September 2012, 12:00

    no the vts was very quick it made 142bhp on dyno, but because my current 106 is alot lighter its all down to power to weight plus i have yoko tyres that grip alot more and the car is on gaz coilovers helping the car stay flatter. my 106 will be lighter soon with fibreglass bonnet and tailgate with the rear 3 windows polycarbs and the interior has been stripped out partly along with all the sound deadening and some of second skin removed, the car is also a basic model so it doesnt have abs,power steering, sunroof to worry about for extra weight to start off with. im also looking into oz superleggeras to save weight over the wheels. the bodykit has also been skimmed and gutted for less weight. theres no spare wheel cage etc etc loads of lil bits that ive got rid of or made lighter and theres still plenty to come off.
28. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #28 23rd September 2012, 15:34

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by firehorizon no the vts was very quick it made 142bhp on dyno, but because my current 106 is alot lighter its all down to power to weight plus i have yoko tyres that grip alot more and the car is on gaz coilovers helping the car stay flatter. my 106 will be lighter soon with fibreglass bonnet and tailgate with the rear 3 windows polycarbs and the interior has been stripped out partly along with all the sound deadening and some of second skin removed, the car is also a basic model so it doesnt have abs,power steering, sunroof to worry about for extra weight to start off with. im also looking into oz superleggeras to save weight over the wheels. the bodykit has also been skimmed and gutted for less weight. theres no spare wheel cage etc etc loads of lil bits that ive got rid of or made lighter and theres still plenty to come off.

    Common knowledge a lighter car improves performance, you chose to ignore that first time round. Remove the same weight from the gti and the vtr would be way off.