SAXO VTR Turbo advice

15th September 2012, 00:05

Hi there. I am quite new to all this so please bear with me

I have been a saxo owner for the past two years and have recently got to the stage where i can afford to have a car for work so I can turbo my VTR.

After a lot of searching on the forums on here i have gathered a list of parts that i think i need, and just wanted to run it by some of the guys on here who have already completed this project, as i'm sure there will be thigs i have missed.

ok here it is:

Front mounted intercooler (with 2.25" in/outlets)
slimline fan
new drive shafts
new headgasket and all the seals etc
decompression plate (looking at a 9cc one)
T25 turbo
new turbo manifold (found a french company on ebay that manufacture them)
new downpipe and exhaust system (unsure where the best place is to get the downpipe from, all recommendations welcome)
new driveshafts
new brakes (looking at 266mm off a peugeot)
braided brake lines
Oil catch tank
oil cooler and all pipes
lowering springs and uprated shocks

this is where things get a bit confusing for me. I know that i need either a 5th injector or bigger injectors, and the bigger injector route appeals to me the most. can anyone recommend a good set?

also, i know the ecu will need re-mapping, and this is also an area i am a bit hazy on. i have seen mention of piggyback ecu's and new ecu's and would like some advice on which is best.

sorry its quite an essay but i really want to make sure i get this done right the first time so as not to have to redo things.

thanks in advance.

15th September 2012, 00:15

Above is correct but you don't need to lower your car to have I turbo'd. You also need a mf2 which controls fueling or a standalone ecu . As for the exhaust dp engineering make down pipes and btb are good for exhausts too but are hard to come by.

You will also need oil feed for the turbo aswell as water feed,

15th September 2012, 00:19

You've made a good start

First thing to think about is end goal. The very end goal that is. Do you think you'll want to go for more power in the future than this setup gives? (I'll say yes as everyone does once they have a taste) if so, a standalone ecu might be a better choice than a piggyback and a 5th injector longer term. Doesn't have to be especially expensive, a mega squirt based ecu would be just as good.

Next up, think drivetrain. You've put driveshafts but actually you can run standard driveshafts to a point. You'll want a clutch though as turbos are ruthless on them. A 6 paddle sprung pressed steel clutch is plenty for this setup, but again, where do you want to go in the future

Re the engine internals now. You don't need a decomp plate - two MLS gaskets work well also, again depending on your end goals. Save yourself some money there.

For the rest of the stuff, I did a breakdown of parts needed in a sticky thread a few years ago iirc - have a read, and post back with any questions.

Overall, a well thought out first post. It's a pleasure to have you on board

Welcome!

15th September 2012, 00:19

....hate noobs...too many trolls these days

scrap your first list mate

lets start with the year of your car...your budget (we all have one..it soon spirals and will let us know what spec you need)

and what power youd like to have

15th September 2012, 00:30

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=429993

have a little read through that mate.... hopefully it will give you a few ideas

15th September 2012, 00:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by robster247

Above is correct but you don't need to lower your car to have I turbo'd. You also need a mf2 which controls fueling or a standalone ecu . As for the exhaust dp engineering make down pipes and btb are good for exhausts too but are hard to come by.

You will also need oil feed for the turbo aswell as water feed,

the lowering a shocks were just to improve the stability of the car to an extent as it is fairly standard atm

thanks for your help

which would you recommend, and mf2 or a standalone ecu?

15th September 2012, 00:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ross

You've made a good start

First thing to think about is end goal. The very end goal that is. Do you think you'll want to go for more power in the future than this setup gives? (I'll say yes as everyone does once they have a taste) if so, a standalone ecu might be a better choice than a piggyback and a 5th injector longer term. Doesn't have to be especially expensive, a mega squirt based ecu would be just as good.

Next up, think drivetrain. You've put driveshafts but actually you can run standard driveshafts to a point. You'll want a clutch though as turbos are ruthless on them. A 6 paddle sprung pressed steel clutch is plenty for this setup, but again, where do you want to go in the future

Re the engine internals now. You don't need a decomp plate - two MLS gaskets work well also, again depending on your end goals. Save yourself some money there.

For the rest of the stuff, I did a breakdown of parts needed in a sticky thread a few years ago iirc - have a read, and post back with any questions.

Overall, a well thought out first post. It's a pleasure to have you on board

Welcome!

thanks for your help, i will have a browse for the other thread later. my end goal is for around 250bhp id say for now. id be using the car on the road still at weekends and stuff and may do the odd track day, but it wont be a thoroughbred track beast

15th September 2012, 00:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ginger_salmon

the lowering a shocks were just to improve the stability of the car to an extent as it is fairly standard atm

thanks for your help

which would you recommend, and mf2 or a standalone ecu?

if you have the money, definately a standalone ecu.... something like a predator maybe

15th September 2012, 00:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackie_2k5

....hate noobs...too many trolls these days

scrap your first list mate

lets start with the year of your car...your budget (we all have one..it soon spirals and will let us know what spec you need)

and what power youd like to have

haha

sorry, left out the most important bits lol

erm id say im looking for around 250bhp. the cars an 02 plate VTR and i have a budget of around £2000. i will be doing the vast majority of the labour myself, but the budget is the main restraining factor, so I realise i may have to compromise on power slightly if it isnt attainable with this budget. thaks for your help

15th September 2012, 00:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by jones91

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=429993

have a little read through that mate.... hopefully it will give you a few ideas

this thread is fantastic, i dont know how i didnt find it before

thanks very much mate

15th September 2012, 00:45

15th September 2012, 00:53

Where's the like button ^

15th September 2012, 00:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackie_2k5

Explain blackie?

15th September 2012, 01:09

sorry ross...

i find it massively hard to believe that a member that joined in 2010..and being only his second post...a well though out one...sort of (in terms of not getting ignored...that repeats itself...)

can come online at this time of night..with a username like that and continue to post in the manner he is

ill happily eat my hat...but id rather blank a troll tbf

you can feed him if you like..i nearly wrote a post thanking him for taking the time to research before he posted(as you did in greater detail)..then remembered i was on saxp

deleted it and made my op..

once hes made 100 none spam posts...ill take my hat with gammon and gravy

15th September 2012, 01:17

I understand - thought it was strange myself. But I'll roll with it

My ban hammer is itching to come out - I've only banned one person today and he was a weirdo who pm'd me asking me to ban him for 2 weeks. Lol

Mr Salmon - forgive the sidetrack please. If you are serious, please don't take it personally. There's a lot of dreamers and trolls out there. If you're a troll, please say so now

15th September 2012, 08:50

Hi guys. I can understand how frustrating it must be to encounter the same questions asked repeatedly by people who don't bother searching etc but i can assure you that i am no troll. I have my budget already set aside for this project, and the car SORN ready to work on. I just wanted to make sure that I was doing everything right as this is the first time i have ever done anything like this.

15th September 2012, 08:58

Good. Let's see where we go then

There's a lot of experienced members on this forum who will give you impartial advice if you continue to thoughtfully pose your questions, from all types of boosted builds from 150-450bhp. You've come to the right place

Don't be frightened to ask questions you get stuck on - when you're doing something as off-piste as boosting a saxo, there's no "right" or wrong way (unless something's REALLY dumb!) but you'll get lots of opinions if you ask from those that have probably tried it. Everything from where to put the air filter, to companies to use for relocating your PAS pump (if you bother).

Enjoy!

15th September 2012, 09:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ross

Good. Let's see where we go then

There's a lot of experienced members on this forum who will give you impartial advice if you continue to thoughtfully pose your questions, from all types of boosted builds from 150-450bhp. You've come to the right place

Don't be frightened to ask questions you get stuck on - when you're doing something as off-piste as boosting a saxo, there's no "right" or wrong way (unless something's REALLY dumb!) but you'll get lots of opinions if you ask from those that have probably tried it. Everything from where to put the air filter, to companies to use for relocating your PAS pump (if you bother).

Enjoy!

Thanks mate i will keep you posted. as soon as some of the parts arrive i intend to start a progress thread, just wanted to make sure that i wasnt missing out any crucial part of the system before i started ordering things

15th September 2012, 09:15

250bhp for £2k?

Possible, but unlikly!

Start by sorting the suspension & brakes. Then apply boost!

15th September 2012, 09:31

Blackies comment is still valid above though - pick your power requirement and pick your budget. Then compromise on one of them

Unless you have amazing luck with finding 2nd hand parts you won't build a real 250bhp car for £2k though.

15th September 2012, 09:53

Personally I think with a bit of looking around that 2k should get you near enough 250bhp..... turbo kits are getting cheaper by the month and I think if you look hard enough on here and do your research, 2k will get you near enough there

15th September 2012, 11:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by jones91

Personally I think with a bit of looking around that 2k should get you near enough 250bhp..... turbo kits are getting cheaper by the month and I think if you look hard enough on here and do your research, 2k will get you near enough there

Not on an accurate dyno it wont. Very very lucky with the second hand parts. maybe with 25% transmission losses, dyno'd in 15 degree temps but "calibrated" to 30 degrees...

Of course, if you want a bit of paper with "250bhp" printed on it, email me and I'll make you one up in photoshop.

15th September 2012, 11:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ross

Blackies comment is still valid above though - pick your power requirement and pick your budget. Then compromise on one of them

Unless you have amazing luck with finding 2nd hand parts you won't build a real 250bhp car for £2k though.

well the compromise is going to have to be power then as the budget is fairly tight at £2K

15th September 2012, 11:54

I managed on a 2.5k budget to get around that power with out the nitrous kit (£400 included in that budget) granted I did buy a boasted Saxo for dirt cheap.

15th September 2012, 12:04

Where are you based mate?

I may be able to help you with some parts

15th September 2012, 12:14

Ok so this morning i have ordered the first batch of parts that i need.

I bought:

new garret T25 turbo
New turbo manifold
New gear linkages (current ones have a lot of play in them)
2 new standard drive shafts
2.25" front mount intercooler (with all pipes and clamps)
Front lowering springs and front and rear sports dampers
New drilled and vented discs (front and rear including pads)
OMP Clutch kit (comprising of 6 paddle sprung centre plate and reinforced cover)
9cc decompression plate
new headgasket
bigger injectors (off a 2.0 XU engine)

this should keep me busy for a while haha once things start arriving i will start the progress thread. thanks for all the help from everyone so far

15th September 2012, 12:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackie_2k5

Where are you based mate?

I may be able to help you with some parts

im from burton upon trent in the midlands mate, its not too far from derby. if theres anything from the list above that you have, let me know as i havent submitted the order yet

15th September 2012, 12:22

I have a full turbo conversion I may sell mate

15th September 2012, 12:25

its a fair old treck up to yours mate tbh, and i dont get much time due to work so unfortunately i cant take you up on your offer, but thanks anyway. im sure if you do decide to sell it that there will be plenty of people interested though