am i using too much fuel?

1. Morgiee Established Member Joined: Dec 2008 Middlesbrough Posts: 2267 Past: Citroen Saxo Forte W reg posi blue Now: H

   #1 2nd October 2012, 20:59

   Hi its something iv noticed but don't know if ill need to look into it yet but i seem to use up my fuel much sooner than before. about 1 month ago i changed my air filter to a k&N filter that sits direct on the throttle body of my 1.1 spi engine. But when i put £20 of fuel in which is approx 14.5ltr and £1.36 per ltr i get on average 161 miles. Is this about right? or should i be getting more out of the fuel? Iv'e done the usual checks, tires are well inflated, ran red-x with the fuel etc.
   
   Thanks
2. Quick Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2003 United Kingdom (England) Posts: 7064

   #2 2nd October 2012, 21:02

   It could be that you are using the loud pedal more!
   
   Try filling up a full tank and then work out your true mpg!
   
   Also its getting colder - longer for engine to warm up!
   
   What type of journeys are you doing?
3. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

   #3 2nd October 2012, 21:04

   Be the filter
   
   When I put a pipercross on my spi Clio years back it used to drink fuel
4. Saxovch22 Established Member Joined: Feb 2011 Scotland Posts: 1191 02 Saxo Vts

   #4 2nd October 2012, 21:43

   That's like 50mpg roughly ?
   
   Seems fine to me!
   
   I get 70-75 miles to £10 at £1.35.9
   Mixed town/bypass driving in my vtr
5. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

   #5 2nd October 2012, 21:52

   I get 90 of miles out of £20 count your self lucky lol
6. Morgiee Established Member Joined: Dec 2008 Middlesbrough Posts: 2267 Past: Citroen Saxo Forte W reg posi blue Now: H

   #6 2nd October 2012, 21:54

   Ah ok well will try the full tank test next, and journey wise literally to work and back on on free time to my local town which is like 10 mile and work is like 5 miles, quite rear that i do long distance. The only thing is traffic tends to be mad were i go lol so always at idle or first gear job
7. saladdodger Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 669

   #7 2nd October 2012, 22:25

   my 1.6 vtr : £20 = £170 / £177 every time
8. mlawlan69 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2010 leeds Posts: 4389 MCS R53 S/C 16v furiooo

   #8 2nd October 2012, 23:01

   100 miles from £20 in my 1.4 down to about 75 miles more recently.. got to sort something out as i cant bloody afford it as much now!!!
   
   mods... vtr inlet, piper x filter, 421 mani and full supersprint.
   
   also op having your filter bolted direct to the inlet is no good for your engine, air needs to be cold!!
9. monka Established Member Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 1368

   #9 2nd October 2012, 23:03

   thats not too bad tbh, my diesel is/was getting 180 miles to £20
10. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #10 2nd October 2012, 23:46

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mlawlan69 100 miles from £20 in my 1.4 down to about 75 miles more recently.. got to sort something out as i cant bloody afford it as much now!!! mods... vtr inlet, piper x filter, 421 mani and full supersprint. also op having your filter bolted direct to the inlet is no good for your engine, air needs to be cold!!

    thats ridiculous! i CAN get 100 miles out of £20 in my cammed throttle boddied vts if i drive at 3krpm max
11. mlawlan69 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2010 leeds Posts: 4389 MCS R53 S/C 16v furiooo

    #11 2nd October 2012, 23:49

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jeffchiz thats ridiculous! i CAN get 100 miles out of £20 in my cammed throttle boddied vts if i drive at 3krpm max

    i know!! doesnt matter how i drive it really, changing at 2k everywhere still sees me back in the station after 100 miles!!
    
    
    hoping its a simple fix as just swapping over my lambda sensors, got a feeling one is shagged!!
12. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #12 2nd October 2012, 23:51

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mlawlan69 100 miles from £20 in my 1.4 down to about 75 miles more recently.. got to sort something out as i cant bloody afford it as much now!!! mods... vtr inlet, piper x filter, 421 mani and full supersprint. also op having your filter bolted direct to the inlet is no good for your engine, air needs to be cold!!

    It's an spi engine... That's where it's meant to go
13. mlawlan69 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2010 leeds Posts: 4389 MCS R53 S/C 16v furiooo

    #13 2nd October 2012, 23:55

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by blackie_2k5 It's an spi engine... That's where it's meant to go

    har har.
14. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #14 2nd October 2012, 23:56

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mlawlan69 har har.

    Google an spi engine
    
    Google an Induction for an spi engine..
    
    Hur hur hur
15. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #15 2nd October 2012, 23:59

    In fact heres a pic for you
    
    http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=171504
16. mlawlan69 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2010 leeds Posts: 4389 MCS R53 S/C 16v furiooo

    #16 3rd October 2012, 02:13

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by blackie_2k5 In fact heres a pic for you http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=171504

    i got the K&N 57i induction kit.. It's basically a cone filter that sits on the throttle body.. right on top of the engine, and it comes with a bit of tube so you can direct cold air up to it.It sounds quite nice.. but i'd imagine it decreases performance, imagine the heatsoak. From what i've heard with a 1.1 you're better off with a panel filter and the standard airbox.
    
    quoted from said thread.
    
    it would still be better attatched to a 90 degree bend with a cold air feed!!!
17. saladdodger Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 669

    #17 3rd October 2012, 09:11

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mlawlan69 100 miles from £20 in my 1.4 down to about 75 miles more recently.. got to sort something out as i cant bloody afford it as much now!!! mods... vtr inlet, piper x filter, 421 mani and full supersprint.

    Sounds more like a fuel leak to me, check your injectors and fuel tank.
    
    Mate had a small leak from filler neck which saw him lose a lot when driving, easily knock of 20miles with a small leak.
    
    Just a thought
18. Saxovch22 Established Member Joined: Feb 2011 Scotland Posts: 1191 02 Saxo Vts

    #18 3rd October 2012, 10:15

    I'm getting roughly 45-46mpg in my vtr just now, doing 50mpg in a 1.1 seems pretty normal
19. holdawayt Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2010 Stourbridge Posts: 7338 Nissan 200sx S14a

    #19 3rd October 2012, 10:25

    My golf averages 27mpg.
    
    I really wouldn't complain.
20. saladdodger Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 669

    #20 3rd October 2012, 11:41

    My Audi 100 turbo gets 19-23mpg
21. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #21 3rd October 2012, 11:45

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mlawlan69 i got the K&N 57i induction kit.. It's basically a cone filter that sits on the throttle body.. right on top of the engine, and it comes with a bit of tube so you can direct cold air up to it.It sounds quite nice.. but i'd imagine it decreases performance, imagine the heatsoak. From what i've heard with a 1.1 you're better off with a panel filter and the standard airbox. quoted from said thread. it would still be better attatched to a 90 degree bend with a cold air feed!!!

    Just admit it mate, you didn't have a clue, no point trying to back pedal
    
    I'm fully aware of heat soak etc
    
    Doesn't change the fact that this is where the filter is meant to go on an spi engine
22. mlawlan69 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2010 leeds Posts: 4389 MCS R53 S/C 16v furiooo

    #22 3rd October 2012, 15:18

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by blackie_2k5 Just admit it mate, you didn't have a clue, no point trying to back pedal I'm fully aware of heat soak etc Doesn't change the fact that this is where the filter is meant to go on an spi engine

    warm air. alrighit fair kop.
    
    and no i didnt know that but now i know spi engines like warm air! everydays a school day!

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23. Chris_ Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2012 Newcastle Posts: 188 1.1 Saxo Desire

    #23 3rd October 2012, 15:34

    I managed 250 miles out of £30 in my 1.1, majority of it doing 70mph on motorways though. Mix of town driving as well.
24. saladdodger Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 669

    #24 3rd October 2012, 22:29

    Had to fill up today after 225miles from £30, A roads and motorway
25. axsaxoman Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2003 Scotland Posts: 3380

    #25 4th October 2012, 09:12

    you cannot do an acurate fuel consumption check if you are sitting in traffic and crawling in first gear
    you will not get good mileage on any car like that .this is whythe goverment give 3 mpgd for new vehicles -and the 2ufban" is always alot lower than the cruise figure .
    thats why cars are now fitted with sauot stop start .some cars even switch cylibnders off when idling to save fuel
    also make of fuel can make up t 3 mpg difference --some suermarket fuel is very bad -no addatives and octane is right on the lower edge of the spec
    then there the fact that all new petrol stations will have temp corrected pumps --which means the volume you get depending on temp will alter --ot your disavantage
    the thruth is that non temp corrected pumps have always been over dispensing so you could have been getting up to 1%more than you should depending on ambient temp and temp of fuel in tank at petrol station .
    then now all the suppliers are going over to up to 10% ethanol that will drop the mpg as well.
    but as previously stated only real way to know is fill to the lid ==use a few gallons then refill at SAME station and SAME pump--then do your calcultion
    4.54609litres =1gallon
26. GAS_7 Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2012 Gravesend, Kent Posts: 166 51' Citroen Saxo VTS 06' Chrysler Grand Voyager

    #26 4th October 2012, 12:56

    Seems fine to me but your air will make a slight difference. More so I you've or a lead foot.
    
    Last week put £40 in my VTS and got 235.2 miles. phone app reckons I got 35mpg to that.
    
    This week, put my air filter on and filled the tank on Monday...£48.11, so far got 189.9 miles and just under half tank.
    
    Mainly drive on motorways but it all comes down to how you drive as well
27. t335mjn Newbie Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1

    #27 12th October 2012, 02:09

    my vtr seems to pop alot, un,used fuel is that. MMMM, does any of yours do the same.
28. devilsadvocate Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2006 Maidstone Posts: 8210 Golf TDI

    #28 12th October 2012, 07:27

    161 miles out of £20....I would love to get that!
    
    More like 80 miles if im lucky!
29. MuZiZZle Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2011 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 7779 Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5

    #29 12th October 2012, 09:38

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Morgiee Hi its something iv noticed but don't know if ill need to look into it yet but i seem to use up my fuel much sooner than before. about 1 month ago i changed my air filter to a k&N filter that sits direct on the throttle body of my 1.1 spi engine. But when i put £20 of fuel in which is approx 14.5ltr and £1.36 per ltr i get on average 161 miles. Is this about right? or should i be getting more out of the fuel? Iv'e done the usual checks, tires are well inflated, ran red-x with the fuel etc. Thanks

    so 14.5 / 4..546 = 3.18 gallons
    
    161 / 3.18 = 50.6
    
    50.6mpg, feel free to complain when it's sub 20mpg
30. user_46658 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2010 Little Mill, South Wales Posts: 7547 Mondeo ST TDCI Saxo VTS

    #30 12th October 2012, 09:40

    161 miles to £20 .... NICE!
    
    £60 gets me around 200 in total atm
31. user_29491 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Lancs Posts: 4124 JP4S'd R.

    #31 12th October 2012, 09:44

    10 litres / £14.41 / 2 gallon = 74miles.. Around 35mpg.. That's having alot fun too!
32. user_55718 Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2011 Tadcaster Posts: 331 08 turbo panda 02 vtr

    #32 20th October 2012, 10:45

    i get 60 miles to a tenner if io dont rev over 2k.then as soon as |I start giving it some that 60 miles turns to 40. only sups fumes round cadwell tho, strange. Must be because its french!
33. Jimi137 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2012 Stafford Posts: 146 Citroen Saxo MK2 VTR with GTI Engine

    #33 21st October 2012, 15:18

    just incase any1 hasnt said it yet remember its coming into winter now and has got a lot colder and wetter. lights, heater, demist and cold starting play havock with the mpg. mines gone down a gd 5mpg between the warm summer days out and the early morning winter commuting
34. welshpug Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.

    #34 21st October 2012, 15:29

    miles per £ means jack shit, because the price of fuel varies.
35. webbo_23 L-plater Joined: Oct 2011 Nottingham Posts: 81 Saxo Desire

    #35 25th October 2012, 15:57

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by axsaxoman you cannot do an acurate fuel consumption check if you are sitting in traffic and crawling in first gear you will not get good mileage on any car like that .this is whythe goverment give 3 mpgd for new vehicles -and the 2ufban" is always alot lower than the cruise figure . thats why cars are now fitted with sauot stop start .some cars even switch cylibnders off when idling to save fuel also make of fuel can make up t 3 mpg difference --some suermarket fuel is very bad -no addatives and octane is right on the lower edge of the spec then there the fact that all new petrol stations will have temp corrected pumps --which means the volume you get depending on temp will alter --ot your disavantage the thruth is that non temp corrected pumps have always been over dispensing so you could have been getting up to 1%more than you should depending on ambient temp and temp of fuel in tank at petrol station . then now all the suppliers are going over to up to 10% ethanol that will drop the mpg as well. but as previously stated only real way to know is fill to the lid ==use a few gallons then refill at SAME station and SAME pump--then do your calcultion 4.54609litres =1gallon

    how many spelling mistakes