is it possible to fit an external coil on a vts

  1. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2012 telford Posts: 312 pug 106 pug 206 saxo vts cupra r saab 93 sp
    #1
    what i want to no is can i use a different coil of different car. i.e an external one with ht leads. my vts coil has packed up only get 2 out of 4 sparkin and can not get a replacment for a few days
  2. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Lancs Posts: 4124 JP4S'd R.
    #2
    people run ford MSD coilpack's - not sure what they use to connect it to the loom though.. Have a search for 'ford MSD coil pack' and see what comes up

    (they use leads connected to a distributor block ie external like you say)
  3. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2012 telford Posts: 312 pug 106 pug 206 saxo vts cupra r saab 93 sp
    #3
    i can only find aftremarkit one's can you name anycars that come with them standerd

    ford coil pack conversion
  4. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5
    #4
    Can you still put the coilpack cover over the leads still? is it "plug and play" sort of set up?
  5. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi
    #5
    quite easy conversion to do if you got the parts you can use an old style 8v coil pack pretty sure the plug fits on to as for leads corsa 1.4 16v iirc or the sport ones fit fine from what I've read in the past.
  6. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2012 telford Posts: 312 pug 106 pug 206 saxo vts cupra r saab 93 sp
    #6
    iv just got a ford one but now need advice as my car has 4 wires to coil and the new coil has 3

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    Originally Posted by K567 View Post
    £118 i just payed £20 for the same from my locel brakers
  7. Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2012 Bradford/Leeds Posts: 775 03 R53 Mini Cooper S with a little extra going on
    #7
    From atspeed site
    For ford to saxo pin out they say works for pretty much any Citroen Peugeot
    Pin > Saxo Pin
    Violet 1 > 1
    Yellow 3 > 2
    Red 2 > 3
    UNUSED > 4X
  8. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2012 telford Posts: 312 pug 106 pug 206 saxo vts cupra r saab 93 sp
    #8
    there differnt colers

    right i worked it out.this is for anyone who wants to run a ford ig coil. and dont want to spenf loads this can be done for less than £20 and is better than standerd.
    1. go down ur locel scrap yard and find your self a coil of a ford (i used a focus zetec-s)
    2. cut the plug with about 3-4 inch's of wire (of doner car)
    3 get ya self some plug leads i have used x2 1 plugs leads and x2 2 plug leads 3 and 4 are a bit short .

    4. remove ur old coil and plug leave as much wire as possible.
    5. u ignore the little black wire that comes of the top of ur rocker ur left with 3 wires join green - green obs the other colors i can not remeber but will edit when i can see them the 2 wire is what tells the coil to fire so 1 wire will fire 1-4 other is 2-3 so if it wont start try other way will correct this in the morning and add pics
  9. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2003 Scotland Posts: 3380
    #9
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by saxova View Post
    people run ford MSD coilpack's - not sure what they use to connect it to the loom though.. Have a search for 'ford MSD coil pack' and see what comes up

    (they use leads connected to a distributor block ie external like you say)
    that is not an MSD system ,just a std coil pack
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  10. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2011 Doncaster Posts: 2627 Fabia VRS, mk1 fiesta + some others
    #10
    MSD coil packs are expensive! people just use a standard ford one dont they?
  11. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2012 telford Posts: 312 pug 106 pug 206 saxo vts cupra r saab 93 sp
    #11
    thats all i have used is a standerd one of a facos zetec s cost me £5 with ht leads 10 mins later and i have saved loads i think a oem coil was £150 pat part £71 scrappy was £30 but had none so i used ford and it seems to run alot better 2 tbf
  12. L-plater Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 34
    #12
    What do you gain from doing this conversion
  13. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 Posts: 4857
    #13
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tom- View Post
    What do you gain from doing this conversion
    You end up with a lighter wallet and that's about it. Though saying that stock saxo ones are not that cheap so if its died you can pick stock ford ones quite cheap. But its not a upgrade as such.
  14. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2012 telford Posts: 312 pug 106 pug 206 saxo vts cupra r saab 93 sp
    #14
    i will say it is an upgrade for the fact the ford coils are ver reliable also you can ypgrade the ht leads and coilpack's and there a lot cheaper. i have not found a upgrade vts coilpack but can find lots for for and at half the price of a standerd vts coilpack so in my mind it is an upgrade also looks cool 2 with blue ht leads.
  15. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 Posts: 4857
    #15
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jay9119 View Post
    i will say it is an upgrade for the fact the ford coils are ver reliable also you can ypgrade the ht leads and coilpack's
    The Saxo has no need for HT leads as its a much more modern direct mount coil pack. Going back to HT leads is actually a step backwards.
  16. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2012 telford Posts: 312 pug 106 pug 206 saxo vts cupra r saab 93 sp
    #16
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AXracing View Post
    The Saxo has no need for HT leads as its a much more modern direct mount coil pack. Going back to HT leads is actually a step backwards.
    Are you forgeting where it is located at the top of a hot engine, this way the coil is placed out of the way and out of direct heat where in effect it cooks the coil so id say it is a upgrade plus my vts seems more better on petrol and just seem's a bit better on pick up
  17. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5
    #17
    pics?..
  18. L-plater Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 34
    #18
    Where do you mount the coil if your using the standard air box?? Has anyone got any pictures of there set ups?
  19. Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.
    #19
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AXracing View Post
    You end up with a lighter wallet and that's about it. Though saying that stock saxo ones are not that cheap so if its died you can pick stock ford ones quite cheap. But its not a upgrade as such.
    Ford coil packs handle extended dwell times better than a coil pack which tends to overheat.
  20. Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2008 ESSEX Posts: 727 106 GTi Turbo
    #20
    exactly^^^

    if its a relatively standard car, will make no performance difference, only more reliable than the stock 16v ones which are known to be a bit of an issue.

    only time you see "performance" benifit is on engines that require high spark energy, i.e. high boost turbo / supercharged. the stock coils do not take so kindly to longer dwell times (basically time spent charging the coils) whereas the ford ones can handle them quite happily. and by calling it a performance gain - thats assuming the stock coils were not man enough for the job and you ran into misfire problems under high load - so really, its misfire prevention/correction on high boost engines.

    - colin.
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  21. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2012 telford Posts: 312 pug 106 pug 206 saxo vts cupra r saab 93 sp
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tom- View Post
    Where do you mount the coil if your using the standard air box?? Has anyone got any pictures of there set ups?

    i used a peace of ally and mounted one side the the rocker cover and other side holds the coil firmly in position. remeber not to use stoc leads due to 3-4 leads being a bit short