what bhp do you think my vtr engine will have?

1. joshmega Newbie Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 26

   #1 12th November 2012, 20:43

   its a mk1 silver top its has a janspeed 4-2-1 manifold, powerflow cat back exhaust and enclossed induction kit and has just had the head re built and has been cammed with fast road catcams??
2. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

   #2 12th November 2012, 20:45

   100bhp
3. user_29491 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Lancs Posts: 4124 JP4S'd R.

   #3 12th November 2012, 20:49

   Put these numbers in a imaginary hat;
   
   90bhp
   97bhp
   103bhp
   107bhp
   111bhp
   
   I've just shook the hat now pick a number...
   
   

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4. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #4 12th November 2012, 20:49

   as long as the piece of string im currently holding.
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   Depending on the cams about 100-110.
5. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

   #5 12th November 2012, 22:51

   what cam is fitted?
6. mlawlan69 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2010 leeds Posts: 4389 MCS R53 S/C 16v furiooo

   #6 12th November 2012, 22:58

   enough to do 60 in second.
7. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

   #7 12th November 2012, 23:02

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by mlawlan69 enough to do 60 in second.

   That all depends on his rev limit
8. mlawlan69 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2010 leeds Posts: 4389 MCS R53 S/C 16v furiooo

   #8 12th November 2012, 23:06

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Gandi699 That all depends on his rev limit

   bouncing?!
9. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

   #9 12th November 2012, 23:06

   well realistically, the filter and exhaust system probably give you back the ponies youve lost over the years, if not, give or take 1 or 2 bhp
   
   and it depends on what cam you used. Im guessing you mean catcam 708's? have you had it remapped? if not then it would probably be at about 100-110
10. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #10 12th November 2012, 23:17

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LSOfreak well realistically, the filter and exhaust system probably give you back the ponies youve lost over the years, if not, give or take 1 or 2 bhp and it depends on what cam you used. Im guessing you mean catcam 708's? have you had it remapped? if not then it would probably be at about 100-110

    708s in an 8v.
    
    
    Good luck with that

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11. joshmega Newbie Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 26

    #11 13th November 2012, 16:28

    http://www.catcams.co.uk/acatalog/Ci...es_roller.html It's the top one pug1off did it for me it is a lot quicker than it was no re map though
12. Saxovch22 Established Member Joined: Feb 2011 Scotland Posts: 1191 02 Saxo Vts

    #12 13th November 2012, 16:50

    100-110bhp realistically
13. joshmega Newbie Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 26

    #13 13th November 2012, 17:01

    I'm going to get a power graph soon too see what it actually is
14. joshmega Newbie Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 26

    #14 7th December 2012, 20:05

    I had it on the dyno today and got 110 so pretty pleased with the result!
15. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #15 7th December 2012, 20:09

    wanna know an annoying fact
    i made 110 in my vtr with standard cam
    
    pointless post by me

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16. joshmega Newbie Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 26

    #16 7th December 2012, 20:12

    Haha did you have the 98 bhp engine mine is 90 so gained 20 bhp
17. m4tt274 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2011 Doncaster Posts: 2627 Fabia VRS, mk1 fiesta + some others

    #17 7th December 2012, 20:18

    most ph2 VTRs will make 110ish with a 4/2/1.
    the powerflow wont be the best flowing i would imagine.
    but regardless, it will be around 100.
18. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #18 7th December 2012, 20:18

    if you dont mind me asking how much did the cam/head recon, manifold, exhaust and filter set you back?
19. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #19 7th December 2012, 20:18

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by joshmega Haha did you have the 98 bhp engine mine is 90 so gained 20 bhp

    yea a ragged as fuck one but a 98
20. joshmega Newbie Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 26

    #20 7th December 2012, 20:26

    Ok, quite a lot 60 for induction 80 for manifold power flow cat back seconded hand 80 but the cam cost 260 and fitted 260 by pug1off and they supplied me the engine and for some reason when they put the new cam on said they had proplems so the re built the head for free which was good so about 800ish
21. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #21 7th December 2012, 20:35

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jeffchiz if you dont mind me asking how much did the cam/head recon, manifold, exhaust and filter set you back?

    more then its worth
22. joshmega Newbie Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 26

    #22 7th December 2012, 20:43

    True, but your never going to get money back on mods, in not bothered about loosing the money I enjoy doing it, so it's alright
23. harry289 Established Member Joined: Oct 2009 Lincolnshire Posts: 1633 Icelandic Grey Saxo VTR

    #23 7th December 2012, 20:49

    £800 on engine performance mods to make 110bhp? Jesus.
24. joshmega Newbie Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 26

    #24 7th December 2012, 21:05

    Yeh 800 on a car ill be keeping for ages 20 bhp is quite good for that I think
25. mlawlan69 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2010 leeds Posts: 4389 MCS R53 S/C 16v furiooo

    #25 7th December 2012, 21:20

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by joshmega Yeh 800 on a car ill be keeping for ages 20 bhp is quite good for that I think

    If i told you a vts engine would have been half the price and given 120 bhp standard, would you be annoyed?
26. harry289 Established Member Joined: Oct 2009 Lincolnshire Posts: 1633 Icelandic Grey Saxo VTR

    #26 7th December 2012, 21:28

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by joshmega Yeh 800 on a car ill be keeping for ages 20 bhp is quite good for that I think

    No it's not good tbh
27. joshmega Newbie Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 26

    #27 7th December 2012, 21:32

    I'm not stupid mate lol I know what a vts standard is I can't get insured on a vts/Gti I've put a the vtr engine in my 106 quicksilver as I blew up my old engine and I put the vtr in because its identical to the 1.4 engine, so considering it supposed to be 75 bhp I'm happy with it so my answer to that is no
28. harry289 Established Member Joined: Oct 2009 Lincolnshire Posts: 1633 Icelandic Grey Saxo VTR

    #28 7th December 2012, 21:34

    They are similar. Not identical. How much more was it to insure the 106 quicksilver with a cammed 1.6 8v engine with modified exhaust and air intake?
29. mlawlan69 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2010 leeds Posts: 4389 MCS R53 S/C 16v furiooo

    #29 7th December 2012, 21:37

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by harry289 They are similar. Not identical. How much more was it to insure the 106 quicksilver with a cammed 1.6 8v engine with modified exhaust and air intake?

    No extra man!!!
    
    Its called being uninsured!!
30. user_39461 Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.

    #30 7th December 2012, 21:42

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by joshmega I'm not stupid mate lol I know what a vts standard is I can't get insured on a vts/Gti I've put a the vtr engine in my 106 quicksilver as I blew up my old engine and I put the vtr in because its identical to the 1.4 engine, so considering it supposed to be 75 bhp I'm happy with it so my answer to that is no

    except for the fact it's totally different, and 200cc more you mean?
    
    I hope you've declared the swap to your insurance company?
31. joshmega Newbie Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 26

    #31 7th December 2012, 21:56

    Pretty much the same hardly noticable
32. user_39461 Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.

    #32 7th December 2012, 22:12

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by joshmega Pretty much the same hardly noticable

    are you actually serious?
    
    You're uninsured if you've not declared that change.
33. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #33 7th December 2012, 22:43

    Although he has clearly not declared the engine change, an insurance company probably wouldn't check that anyway in an accident. Also i bet most people on this site haven't declared all their modifications such as alloys, ICE, lowering springs, exhausts etc etc..He will have problems when MOT time comes and the engine number is wrong for the car, HA!
    
    I dont condone what he is doing btw, but he isn't the only one..
34. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #34 7th December 2012, 22:48

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MaRiO89 Although he has clearly not declared the engine change, an insurance company probably wouldn't check that anyway in an accident. Also i bet most people on this site haven't declared all their modifications such as alloys, ICE, lowering springs, exhausts etc etc..He will have problems when MOT time comes and the engine number is wrong for the car, HA! I dont condone what he is doing btw, but he isn't the only one..

    so what do ppl whove have replacement engines do..
35. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #35 7th December 2012, 22:51

    You notify the DVLA and it gets put on their database i think.
36. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #36 7th December 2012, 22:52

    

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37. jpsaxo Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast

    #37 8th December 2012, 01:01

    You have to declare any engine change on your log book which changes your tax charges & your insurance group...
    
    Otherwise you might as well not bother with insurance at all tbh
38. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #38 8th December 2012, 01:10

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by blackie_2k5 so what do ppl whove have replacement engines do..

    if its a 16v like for like just change the cam belt covers when there both out
    *i do not condone doing this to hide the fact a car has had and engine change!!*
39. user_39461 Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.

    #39 8th December 2012, 11:29

    alex - he's saying he's putting a vtr engine in to replace the furio engine as "it's almost identical". I presume he means visibly, as obviously there are some fundamental differences internally.
    
    What you're doing is insurance fraud.
40. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #40 8th December 2012, 14:23

    i know i was just trolling about how stupid the french are putting the number on a removeable part of 16vs
    (im aware theres one by crank sensor on the block too but 90% of the time its to corroded to read)