One for the 8v owners - ITBs any interest - poss 16v to now

1. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

   #1 11th December 2012, 20:14

   This is just a totally hypothetical thing at the moment, so let me put a few things straight now this kit won't be on sandy brown levels of awesome but will still be a decent kit that should give some nice gains (depending on other mods).
   
   But if there was a kit that would be plug and play using all oem sensors and would run fine would there be any interest from any of you in a kit?
2. chinkostu Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2008 The wrong carpark Posts: 5152 Xantia 1.9TD

   #2 11th December 2012, 20:28

   If i still had the saxo then yes, very much so
3. DJVTR Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2009 northamptonshire Posts: 719 saxo furio/vtr

   #3 11th December 2012, 20:43

   So we are talking a budget bolt on itb ?
   What price ( roughley )
   All 8v engines or only vtr ect ?
   And you should think about a fitting service
   Maybe even whilst you wait fitting service
4. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

   #4 11th December 2012, 20:48

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by chinkostu If i still had the saxo then yes, very much so

   
   
   

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by DJVTR So we are talking a budget bolt on itb ? What price ( roughley ) All 8v engines or only vtr ect ? And you should think about a fitting service Maybe even whilst you wait fitting service

   1) yes
   2) tba within next few weeks will be cheaper than whats out there
   3) all early port spacing 8vs but the later ones could easily make it for them to
   4) all being well with how testing goes on mine yes
   5) as per q4 possible if all goes well
5. AzzAW93 Frequent Poster Joined: May 2010 worcester Posts: 703 peugeot 106 VTR

   #5 11th December 2012, 20:50

   yes definitely especially if it works with the late vtr head (2000 onwards) and if the gains are good.
   and will it need remapping? im guessing so
6. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

   #6 11th December 2012, 20:56

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by AzzAW93 yes definitely especially if it works with the late vtr head (2000 onwards) and if the gains are good. and will it need remapping? im guessing so

   testing will answer your questions in next few weeks
7. AzzAW93 Frequent Poster Joined: May 2010 worcester Posts: 703 peugeot 106 VTR

   #7 11th December 2012, 21:00

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush testing will answer your questions in next few weeks

   nice one buddy, i was asking about inlet upgrades for the 8v's not long ago so definatley keen
8. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

   #8 11th December 2012, 21:03

   I would also be interested in seeing what you have planned, something different and within decent value for money range is always welcome
9. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

   #9 11th December 2012, 21:31

   Is this the kit where you are using Monster energy cans as the trumpets?
10. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #10 11th December 2012, 21:46

    no decaff its the one where I was using vtec

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11. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #11 12th December 2012, 22:55

    out of interest in terms of price what would people be looking to pay for a complete pnp kit?
12. user_43898 Established Member Joined: May 2010 leicester Posts: 1446 Clio 182 Inferno

    #12 12th December 2012, 23:01

    im very interested if it would fit a late 01- vtr, and as a bolt on kit with everything you need other than mapping makes it nice and easy to fit
13. barwell1992 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2011 Rugby Posts: 752 saxo vtr 02, 150bhp yamaha FZ1:)

    #13 12th December 2012, 23:08

    i could be interested if i end up keeping my car 2002 vtr
14. AzzAW93 Frequent Poster Joined: May 2010 worcester Posts: 703 peugeot 106 VTR

    #14 12th December 2012, 23:40

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush out of interest in terms of price what would people be looking to pay for a complete pnp kit?

    All depends what's used, potential gains, and so on as if its a garage hack with reasonable gains I'd still probably steer clear but if its good kit with well made parts then obviously it'll be worth more
15. josh11490 Established Member Joined: Sep 2011 Ebbw Vale Posts: 1180 Clio 182 Daily, 106 GTi Track Project

    #15 13th December 2012, 00:00

    If it was good gains and cheap enough I would be interested at some point next year.
16. axsaxoman Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2003 Scotland Posts: 3380

    #16 13th December 2012, 08:52

    we have alwqays made a cast inlet manifold for the black top head which comes with flanges big enough to fit any type of t/body and is downdraft so it allows long induction tract.
    this manifold does not fit the later type heads as port spacing is different
    http://www.gmcmotorsport.co.uk/engin.../prod_536.html
    I will even give a 20% discount while stocks last

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17. user_34323 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2009 ringwood Posts: 6305 suzuki swift 1.2 sz3

    #17 13th December 2012, 08:58

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by axsaxoman we have alwqays made a cast inlet manifold for the black top head which comes with flanges big enough to fit any type of t/body and is downdraft so it allows long induction tract. this manifold does not fit the later type heads as port spacing is different http://www.gmcmotorsport.co.uk/engin.../prod_536.html I will even give a 20% discount while stocks last

    Good price
18. mechsman Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2010 Bristol Posts: 906 Saxo 1.4i SX 3dr, 106 (engine swap under way), p

    #18 13th December 2012, 10:02

    OP: Yes definately, price and quality dependant, and whether it will fit on anything other than a vtr lump. Both my running 106 and saxo are 1.4 8v's so I'd be looking to fit it to something like those. My sister also has a 1.1 8v which she wants a little more go from.
19. axsaxoman Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2003 Scotland Posts: 3380

    #19 13th December 2012, 14:39

    it will fit all 8v heads that have same port spacing as the blck top engine
    if you were going to tune the later type engine to any degree you would need to fit black top springs and caps anyway + any major cam change you would be better with nono roller type rovker gear ,so if doing serious mods the black top head is a better thing to start with
    as for quality --there are purpose made castings with thick flanges so no worries about quality --
20. logic_guy Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2010 England Posts: 3423

    #20 13th December 2012, 17:37

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by axsaxoman we have alwqays made a cast inlet manifold for the black top head which comes with flanges big enough to fit any type of t/body and is downdraft so it allows long induction tract. this manifold does not fit the later type heads as port spacing is different http://www.gmcmotorsport.co.uk/engin.../prod_536.html I will even give a 20% discount while stocks last

    Very interesting.
    
    So a bolt on Throttle Body for 8v's? Would you supply everything?
    
    If people have had itb on any 8v's, then what power gains did you make?

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21. user_15989 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 Posts: 4857

    #21 13th December 2012, 19:47

    I have used that setup from GMC in the past and it does work extremely well. If I was still racing id probably still be using it.
22. Saxo_AL Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2011 Harlow, Essex Posts: 149 Peugeot 106 GTI JP4

    #22 15th December 2012, 07:13

    I'd definitely be interested. Especially if it's plug and play. Saves so much hassle.
23. user_62180 Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2012 telford Posts: 312 pug 106 pug 206 saxo vts cupra r saab 93 sp

    #23 15th December 2012, 13:40

    im intrested what sort of price?
24. axsaxoman Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2003 Scotland Posts: 3380

    #24 17th December 2012, 08:43

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by logic_guy Very interesting. So a bolt on Throttle Body for 8v's? Would you supply everything? If people have had itb on any 8v's, then what power gains did you make?

    
    nope i only have inlet manifolds --I am noti n the right place to find s/h t/bodies
25. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #25 20th December 2012, 12:56

    8v ITB inlet & vacuum/sensor chamber has been made. Just sorting out tps adapter not to much to finish off now before the initial stage of bolt on testing starts

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26. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #26 20th December 2012, 13:34

    Any idea of a price maybe even a group buy discount ?
27. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #27 20th December 2012, 13:56

    no idea on price yet as I already have a few revisions in place for inlet mk2 and different bodies, as always if people are interested once they've seen what its like then they know where to come

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28. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

    #28 20th December 2012, 14:21

    pics of progress so far mate?
    
    Watermark the pics so no cunt on here can copy them.
29. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #29 20th December 2012, 15:15

    will get some once I've finished some stuff off
    
30. user_53326 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2011 Redditch/Swansea Posts: 152 Mk2 TwoTone Saxo VTR

    #30 20th December 2012, 15:42

    Very interested to see how the testing goes. Definitely something i would consider next year!
31. PJN Established Member Joined: Jan 2010 Sunderland Posts: 1025 Mk7 Zetec S

    #31 21st December 2012, 01:38

    you can do it, you can make the british isles a noisier place!
32. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #32 25th December 2012, 15:17

    Few updates -
    
    The version 1 inlet manifold needs changed slightly so the bodies point more towards the scuttle and not the break bar ala atpower style, plus with that in mind will solve the issue of the engine mount stud. The Vacuum chamber box is doing its job bit heavy duty at the moment slightly revisions to this aswell to help with positioning of sensors etc.
    
    Small test drive on a totally bog standard engine no mods at all it pulls harder pretty smooth very responsive and nice & loud Standard sensors easily adapted and work well once tps has been setup, pretty confident any bodies can be used but I think when time comes will be using gsxr as ones but will decide once I have sorted everything on this. AFR readings are pretty much spot on from the idle and small road tests so it's looking pretty decent
    
    As there will be plenty of testing before I finalise the "kit" but the first initial lot will be for silvertop engines as getting everything setup on these is much easier and less work. Kits for blacktop engines will be available but will require more work due to the different sensor setup so will need some additions to the vacuum chamber to accommodate this
    
    There will also be 16v kits somewhere along the lines but that won't be until next year sometime as would require a vts or gti to be purchased. As for price this will be finalised once all revisions have been done as will pics , what I need to know is that anyone who is actually seriously interested what engines are you running?

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33. user_34323 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2009 ringwood Posts: 6305 suzuki swift 1.2 sz3

    #33 25th December 2012, 15:31

    Depending of the price gimme a VTS setup.
34. welshpug Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.

    #34 25th December 2012, 15:33

    personally given any conversion will need a map I would be getting hold of a P&P DTA S40 from MEF Motorsport, opens up the choice of mappers dramatically.
35. MonkeyKnifeFight Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2010 Worle Posts: 118 Recaro'd SG Cup

    #35 25th December 2012, 15:46

    Certainly nice to see people offering new/different options. Good work
36. AzzAW93 Frequent Poster Joined: May 2010 worcester Posts: 703 peugeot 106 VTR

    #36 25th December 2012, 18:03

    Sounds optomistic, keep up the good work
    
    Azza
37. user_31637 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Isle of Man Posts: 9844 92 Eunos

    #37 27th December 2012, 22:49

    So Gav, I've been reading this over and over. At the moment, you have your R running on a set of these? 100% standard engine & mapping, but with a set of bodies, and it's running fine?
    
    No dodgey idle etc?
38. user_34645 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2009 Rack City, Isle of Man Posts: 4127 GS300, MK1 VTS, Katy M 1190

    #38 27th December 2012, 22:51

    Dem trumpets

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39. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #39 27th December 2012, 23:03

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jay_ So Gav, I've been reading this over and over. At the moment, you have your R running on a set of these? 100% standard engine & mapping, but with a set of bodies, and it's running fine? No dodgey idle etc?

    pretty much yes

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40. turbomad Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 aberdeen Posts: 634 saxo vtr/205 rallye turbo

    #40 27th December 2012, 23:31

    quite interested in this might not sell my vtr if this is cheap enough
41. logic_guy Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2010 England Posts: 3423

    #41 28th December 2012, 12:56

    You can test it on my Mk2 Silver Top
42. AzzAW93 Frequent Poster Joined: May 2010 worcester Posts: 703 peugeot 106 VTR

    #42 28th December 2012, 14:00

    Looking forward to the final product after all the niggles have been worked out!
43. user_31637 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Isle of Man Posts: 9844 92 Eunos

    #43 28th December 2012, 14:18

    If I got another saxo I would be hugely interested in this.
44. tobomoto Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 Essexshire Posts: 1885 zx7r, 28 seater optare

    #44 28th December 2012, 14:52

    if you can use a standard ecu/mapping then ill be interested in a set, depending on price.
45. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #45 28th December 2012, 18:14

    its will all run no worries but going to be on hold for a bit as need to get car motd which is costing a load of money due to beam wheel bearing plus other stuff car may be sornd and off road but that wont stop me from actually getting it finished
46. turbomad Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 aberdeen Posts: 634 saxo vtr/205 rallye turbo

    #46 28th December 2012, 19:15

    any pics of the kit?
47. AzzAW93 Frequent Poster Joined: May 2010 worcester Posts: 703 peugeot 106 VTR

    #47 28th December 2012, 20:51

    Can you go into detail about what the kit consists of?
    Do you get throttle bodies, manifold, sensor adapters, throttle cable set up and so on and so fourth
48. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #48 28th December 2012, 21:06

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AzzAW93 Can you go into detail about what the kit consists of? Do you get throttle bodies, manifold, sensor adapters, throttle cable set up and so on and so fourth

    tbh azza with the kit I'm going to pretty much flexible at the moment as to what people what really.
    
    Main things to come with the kit is the inlet, the vacuum chamber with appropriate mods to run oem sensors the bodies, trumpets, tb cable, brake servo line etc can be sourced sep but happy to supply.
    
    Really need an idea as to what people are running engine wise so I can do a proper list of parts for each with price etc

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49. AzzAW93 Frequent Poster Joined: May 2010 worcester Posts: 703 peugeot 106 VTR

    #49 28th December 2012, 21:31

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush tbh azza with the kit I'm going to pretty much flexible at the moment as to what people what really. Main things to come with the kit is the inlet, the vacuum chamber with appropriate mods to run oem sensors the bodies, trumpets, tb cable, brake servo line etc can be sourced sep but happy to supply. Really need an idea as to what people are running engine wise so I can do a proper list of parts for each with price etc

    so when the time comes its just best to phone you to discuss what you need and what not
    
    and what do you need to know about what engines we're running? ill happily share some info if you let me know what info you need
50. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #50 28th December 2012, 21:44

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AzzAW93 so when the time comes its just best to phone you to discuss what you need and what not and what do you need to know about what engines we're running? ill happily share some info if you let me know what info you need

    
    don't need to know engine specifics azza all I need to know is what engine people are running black top silver top single plug 3 plug etc as that will pretty much dictate what kit comes first
    
    when time comes for the actual kit the base of it all will be inlet, vacuum chamber & fittings for vac lines. Other parts like bodies, trumpets, tb cable can be provided but this stuff generally people will want different things/solutions. As said at the moment its more proving the concept works can do the miles etc once thats been done it can be put out to people.
    
    Not just going to let any old stuff go out
51. turbomad Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 aberdeen Posts: 634 saxo vtr/205 rallye turbo

    #51 28th December 2012, 21:57

    Sounds good might just keep my paxo what have you got it on just now silvertop/blacktop triple/single plug
52. K567 Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2012 Bradford/Leeds Posts: 775 03 R53 Mini Cooper S with a little extra going on

    #52 28th December 2012, 22:39

    you gonna answer the pm i sent ya SB
53. stevo87 Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2012 skipton Posts: 115 Saxo vts 2003

    #53 28th December 2012, 23:10

    03 vts. I could/would be interested. Might even be able to help out with a 16v for you to test....
54. BarneyB L-plater Joined: Dec 2012 Devonshire Posts: 53 Saxo 1.1i Desire, Saxo 1.1i Forte, Mitsubishi Cha

    #54 29th December 2012, 00:07

    nice idea would be interested depending on price and maybe hear how some other people like it
55. Sandham L-plater Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 47

    #55 31st December 2012, 09:35

    Would be interested depending on price for mk2 silvertop triple plug ecu

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56. josh11490 Established Member Joined: Sep 2011 Ebbw Vale Posts: 1180 Clio 182 Daily, 106 GTi Track Project

    #56 31st December 2012, 13:18

    Depending on price I would be interested.
    
    Mk2 silver top 3 plug
57. axsaxoman Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2003 Scotland Posts: 3380

    #57 2nd January 2013, 09:29

    just a suggestion ,but would it not be the right time to give some prices ,then you will se how many people are serious ,you can do all the testing you like ,but if you prive is not corret they will not sell
58. monka Established Member Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 1368

    #58 2nd January 2013, 09:49

    i'd be interested, although i'm in the middle of a 16v conv. lol. although if you do need a tester, i will have a spare 16v block and head (will be pretty much stripped mind.
59. logic_guy Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2010 England Posts: 3423

    #59 3rd January 2013, 12:48

    I've got a Mk2, Silver top 3 Plug.
60. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #60 3rd January 2013, 19:28

    I'm already testing the kit on my silvertop 90 and I've got someone in mind for the silvertop 98 one.
    
    Doing the testing first John to make sure the concept I have works well and see what things need to be changed for the sale model - which have been identified. Not costing me much to do this as for price will decide that once I've got the final model in place
61. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #61 3rd January 2013, 19:32

    i'd love one for a rallye engine
62. tommccabe1992 Newbie Joined: Feb 2012 North East- Darlington Posts: 19 106 quiksilver, Vtr conversion

    #62 3rd January 2013, 22:43

    I would also be very interested, as long as the gains are worth the price you come up with, silver top 3 plug vtr
63. littleblue1 Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2010 High wycombe Posts: 698 2000 mk2 vtr

    #63 6th January 2013, 15:07

    Prices prices??
64. littleblue1 Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2010 High wycombe Posts: 698 2000 mk2 vtr

    #64 7th January 2013, 17:51

    Any news yet on a price??
65. user_34323 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2009 ringwood Posts: 6305 suzuki swift 1.2 sz3

    #65 7th January 2013, 19:31

    Mrs bush is a very busy lady at the moment.
66. user_31637 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Isle of Man Posts: 9844 92 Eunos

    #66 7th January 2013, 19:36

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by littleblue1 Prices prices??

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by littleblue1 Any news yet on a price??

    he hadn't even replied! Give him a break!
    
    He has already explained the situation about pricing.

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67. littleblue1 Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2010 High wycombe Posts: 698 2000 mk2 vtr

    #67 8th January 2013, 06:21

    Yes sir!
68. radiuz Newbie Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 14

    #68 10th January 2013, 22:13

    Interested in the vacuum chamber side of things as my bodies and manifold are on, are you running a vac chamber connected to the vac take off on the bodies? With the map sensor plumbed in to this? Good idea
69. axsaxoman Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2003 Scotland Posts: 3380

    #69 11th January 2013, 08:41

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by radiuz Interested in the vacuum chamber side of things as my bodies and manifold are on, are you running a vac chamber connected to the vac take off on the bodies? With the map sensor plumbed in to this? Good idea

    If he is its a bad idea and does not work correctly with anything other than std or very mild cam --if it works then no real need for multiple t/bodies
    the whole point of ITBS is to seperate the induction pulses to make lower end of rpm range work well .
    If you wish to use a map sensor ,which is not the ideal way ,then connect to just one t/body ,but the downside is the total vac from this is so small it still is not a good idea .
    you need a very stable vac of at least 400mbs to get a good map signal
    std car will have 5-600mbs of vac,this is why when you fit sports cam with std ecu the idle goes to lumpy as the vac signal is not stable and or not big enough

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70. turbomad Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 aberdeen Posts: 634 saxo vtr/205 rallye turbo

    #70 4th February 2013, 23:57

    any update with this
71. user_43898 Established Member Joined: May 2010 leicester Posts: 1446 Clio 182 Inferno

    #71 30th March 2013, 23:21

    update needed
72. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #72 31st March 2013, 00:33

    haven't done much since the last one got the flanges made for the "mk2 inlet" just a case of making it then redoing the vac chamber make some mounting brackets and its job done be a bit before I can start doing any kits but its plodding along
73. Ali123 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt

    #73 31st March 2013, 00:42

    hows it going on the 16v side?
74. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #74 31st March 2013, 11:21

    slightly more advance nothing much more

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75. AzzAW93 Frequent Poster Joined: May 2010 worcester Posts: 703 peugeot 106 VTR

    #75 25th April 2013, 23:39

    any news dude?

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76. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #76 26th April 2013, 20:22

    got new flange sorted for mk2 inlet, ordering new trumpets tomorrow, redesigning the vacuum chamber so its more compact good to run in 3 weeks

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77. axsaxoman Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2003 Scotland Posts: 3380

    #77 27th April 2013, 09:14

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jayline i'd love one for a rallye engine

    my downsdraft manifold will fit the rallye engine --just source your own t/bodies .dcoe /idf /ida/individual --ust drill manifold to suit flange shape
    I,m trying to be helpful here but you will not run t/b,s using map as the load signal on a std ecu very well --do not think we all tried this over 10years ago ?
    t/bodies need to be run rpm /tps for load ,so your choices are remap from chip wizard or a predator(plug+ play) or any other stand alone ecu
    
    time to put a price to your kit
78. user_43898 Established Member Joined: May 2010 leicester Posts: 1446 Clio 182 Inferno

    #78 27th April 2013, 11:26

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush got new flange sorted for mk2 inlet, ordering new trumpets tomorrow, redesigning the vacuum chamber so its more compact good to run in 3 weeks

    If this all works and is good for standard ECU il be first in line for one
79. monka Established Member Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 1368

    #79 3rd May 2013, 23:14

    Prices dude!!!!
80. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #80 3rd May 2013, 23:40

    once i've got the revision 2 setup made I will but not before as no point until I am happy with the final product,

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81. monka Established Member Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 1368

    #81 3rd May 2013, 23:52

    Kl, any idea on time scale? Also these fit 1.6 xsi?
82. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #82 3rd May 2013, 23:55

    3-4weeks not my main line of work so do it in spare time will fit the blacktops but bit more work for them concept is the same just the extra bits that need to be made
83. utothek Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2011 Peterborough Posts: 175 1.6 VTR

    #83 21st May 2013, 14:18

    extremely interested in this. Keep us updated on prices and how you're getting on!
84. user_55718 Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2011 Tadcaster Posts: 331 08 turbo panda 02 vtr

    #84 17th June 2013, 10:29

    this died off or still happening?
85. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #85 17th June 2013, 11:51

    inlets done for the later heads just need time to try it

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86. user_55718 Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2011 Tadcaster Posts: 331 08 turbo panda 02 vtr

    #86 17th June 2013, 14:12

    ive got an 2002 silver top, what sort of power gains you looking at and what sort of price>?
87. RollingBomb L-plater Joined: May 2013 Edinburgh Posts: 74 Saxo VTR Mk2

    #87 17th June 2013, 17:24

    Very interested. I have an 02 VTR.
88. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #88 17th June 2013, 18:32

    price haven't decided on as it's been a pita so far but if I was to supply everything you would probably be looking at around 4-500 but if you sourced your own bodies, trumpets and vacuum line then it would be much less. People need to decide if they want to source certain bits themselves
89. RollingBomb L-plater Joined: May 2013 Edinburgh Posts: 74 Saxo VTR Mk2

    #89 17th June 2013, 20:11

    I'd be happy paying that for the whole kit as doing it part by part is far too confusing for me
90. mhdurrani Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2013 Hartlepool Posts: 205 1998 106 Rallye s2 Indigo Blue JP4'D Another 1998

    #90 17th June 2013, 20:38

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RollingBomb I'd be happy paying that for the whole kit as doing it part by part is far too confusing for me

    ^^Same
91. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #91 17th June 2013, 22:47

    ok leave it with us just need to understand i'm doing this out of my own pocket so far and around work so will take time to sort out but the main hurdle is out of the way
92. RollingBomb L-plater Joined: May 2013 Edinburgh Posts: 74 Saxo VTR Mk2

    #92 18th June 2013, 09:46

    Take as long as you need mate, will give me time to save some pennies
93. Cammy-t Newbie Joined: Jun 2011 Yate, Bristol Posts: 2 Saxo VTR (02)

    #93 19th June 2013, 22:38

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RollingBomb I'd be happy paying that for the whole kit as doing it part by part is far too confusing for me

    Very interested in this!!
    02 vtr
94. SaxoMuffin Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 Reading Posts: 2045 iTB'd MK2 VTR

    #94 21st June 2013, 14:18

    Just going to pop my 2 cents worth in here I have a silvertop with throttle bodies and without any headwork you're not looking at brilliant gains I had to have quite a bit of headwork etc done to really see any worth-while gains...
95. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

    #95 21st June 2013, 14:27

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SaxoMuffin Just going to pop my 2 cents worth in here I have a silvertop with throttle bodies and without any headwork you're not looking at brilliant gains I had to have quite a bit of headwork etc done to really see any worth-while gains...

    what was your engine spec if you dont mind me asking?
96. josh11490 Established Member Joined: Sep 2011 Ebbw Vale Posts: 1180 Clio 182 Daily, 106 GTi Track Project

    #96 21st June 2013, 20:46

    What sort of bhp gain would you get from these? I'm really interested at that price and would love the noise lol but bhp would be better haha
    
    Also any idea how much fuel consumption would differ? Drive 30-40 miles a day to and from work.
97. user_57064 Established Member Joined: Jan 2012 south essex!! Posts: 2442 posi blue vtrs race car

    #97 21st June 2013, 23:27

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by josh11490 What sort of bhp gain would you get from these? I'm really interested at that price and would love the noise lol but bhp would be better haha Also any idea how much fuel consumption would differ? Drive 30-40 miles a day to and from work.

    Its dependant on spec really... You can as said previously have no extra work done and bolt them on with a map... And maybe 5-10bhp? With headwork cams, exhaust... 25-30bhp? Fuel consumption will suffer, but generally like for like driving it wont be bad at all... The common problem is that you nail it everywhere for the noise... Then fuel will suffer...
98. josh11490 Established Member Joined: Sep 2011 Ebbw Vale Posts: 1180 Clio 182 Daily, 106 GTi Track Project

    #98 21st June 2013, 23:34

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by greyjasper51 Its dependant on spec really... You can as said previously have no extra work done and bolt them on with a map... And maybe 5-10bhp? With headwork cams, exhaust... 25-30bhp? Fuel consumption will suffer, but generally like for like driving it wont be bad at all... The common problem is that you nail it everywhere for the noise... Then fuel will suffer...

    Hmm will it run ok unmapped for a while? If I got a cam for my vtr with 4-2-1 and mani back, I could aim for anywhere between 110-130ish bhp?
    
    I just want the sound and experience lol
99. user_57064 Established Member Joined: Jan 2012 south essex!! Posts: 2442 posi blue vtrs race car

    #99 21st June 2013, 23:39

    Basically... No... It will generally need aftermarket management... It is worth every penny though... And to do it properly yeah you should be about 125-130bhp maybe a touch over...
100. josh11490 Established Member Joined: Sep 2011 Ebbw Vale Posts: 1180 Clio 182 Daily, 106 GTi Track Project

     #100 22nd June 2013, 00:10

     Quote:

     Originally Posted by greyjasper51 Basically... No... It will generally need aftermarket management... It is worth every penny though... And to do it properly yeah you should be about 125-130bhp maybe a touch over...

     Hmmm wil have to have a think, maybe its worth waiting until I get a gti/vts, then do it all properly....
     
     
     Thanks
101. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

     #101 22nd June 2013, 08:11

     Throttle bodies are more to do with maximising the mid range rather than top end. Most cars gain only about 10 bhp on a standard engine at peak but usually are significantly faster cars than standard
102. 106gavlar Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2012 colchester,essex Posts: 111 I own a beautiful black ph1 saxo. and also own

     #102 22nd June 2013, 11:11

     I maybe interested
103. user_43898 Established Member Joined: May 2010 leicester Posts: 1446 Clio 182 Inferno

     #103 23rd June 2013, 18:53

     Still watching this, will definatly be buying this when its all sorted, along with a predator ECU of course, already got the cam upgraded with lots of other stuff so should be a nice addition
104. user_34323 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2009 ringwood Posts: 6305 suzuki swift 1.2 sz3

     #104 23rd June 2013, 19:42

     http://www.106rallyeforum.com/forum2...ad.php?t=51733 anyone who wants a decent read
105. monka Established Member Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 1368

     #105 23rd June 2013, 21:40

     gotta be paid up,
106. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

     #106 11th July 2013, 19:34

     right need to start making a list of who wants what so can you put your name down with what port spacing/engine you have I can then prioritise properly which gets made first
107. monka Established Member Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 1368

     #107 11th July 2013, 20:22

     price dependant, but me,
     
     monka
     black top (1.6 xsi)
     00 00
108. AS_BO Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2013 Washington Tyne & Wear Posts: 210 Ph2 VTR

     #108 11th July 2013, 20:33

     I'd be bang on this, gonna watch this closely......... An 8V on bodies will sound the nuts...... I need that noise!
109. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

     #109 11th July 2013, 20:33

     monka it totally depends if you want a full bolt on or happy to source some bits yourself like the bodies for example? I'm going to have the first full kit in next 2 weeks to show what it will be like so people can make their minds up properly, price will be slightly higher than prev mentioned but the inlets all be made in aluminium rather than mild steel.
     
     Must stress that this thread is to see if there is genuine interest in something like this as people have asked in the past but either nothings been done or been put off having to source bits
110. Ali123 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt

     #110 11th July 2013, 22:22

     gav, sort these 16v boddies out! I WANT some <3
111. Ali123 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt

     #111 11th July 2013, 22:36

     And you already know my engine but yeah 3 plug Vts lump
112. user_55718 Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2011 Tadcaster Posts: 331 08 turbo panda 02 vtr

     #112 12th July 2013, 14:26

     silver top vtr. 3 plug
113. user_43898 Established Member Joined: May 2010 leicester Posts: 1446 Clio 182 Inferno

     #113 12th July 2013, 20:06

     Silver top 3-plug Vtr port spacing 0-0-0-0
114. user_27150 Established Member Joined: Sep 2008 Glasgow Posts: 1452 Saxo VTR

     #114 15th July 2013, 09:35

     Any update on this?
115. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

     #115 16th July 2013, 18:24

     Pics to go up in progress blog later
     
     But good news is that I may be able to do 16v for those interested
116. user_43898 Established Member Joined: May 2010 leicester Posts: 1446 Clio 182 Inferno

     #116 16th July 2013, 20:10

     nicely nicely