Turbo/supercharger

21st December 2012, 23:33

This has probably been asked before, but dont want to waste time searching around... I have a 2002 saxo vts want to do have a turbocharger fitted or supercharger... Want some opinions on what would be best for all around use of the car still as it will be used daily... I am wanting to spend around £6000 maybe £7000 all depend if everything goes as I plan for it too... Would want to get a decent amount of bhp so if anyone can give me some advice on all this and tell me what I would require to get would be great. If anyone lives near West Sussex area and knows of some places which I can approach and ask would be great also, thanks

21st December 2012, 23:34

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Originally Posted by Sexysaxojames

This has probably been asked before,

yes it has

but dont want to waste time searching around...

then no one will want to waste time helping you

I have a 2002 saxo vts want to do have a turbocharger fitted or supercharger... Want some opinions on what would be best for all around use of the car still as it will be used daily... I am wanting to spend around £6000 maybe £7000 all depend if everything goes as I plan for it too... Would want to get a decent amount of bhp so if anyone can give me some advice on all this and tell me what I would require to get would be great. If anyone lives near West Sussex area and knows of some places which I can approach and ask would be great also, thanks

i stopped reading after the above

21st December 2012, 23:38

Will end up searching too tired right now too

21st December 2012, 23:44

most ppl arent willing to help without doing at least a little background matey

its been covered a million times and alot of what youve asked can be answered with a quick browse..once youve got an idea of what your after

theres plenty knowledgeable ppl on here to help you spec a very nice car up

but since im here... supercharger will be a smoother dailly...turbo will be more of a balls out toy

but theres too many pros and cons.. ideally a boosted car isnt a great dailly drive..

22nd December 2012, 02:05

willing to spend 7000 on a saxo... save that 7k buy a clio 182 spend some money on it amd having it running around the 200bhp mark... or a variety or other cars that will have more punt than your saxo..

22nd December 2012, 08:39

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Originally Posted by W343NNA

willing to spend 7000 on a saxo... save that 7k buy a clio 182 spend some money on it amd having it running around the 200bhp mark... or a variety or other cars that will have more punt than your saxo..

What a bold statement! You spend 7k to turbo a Saxo you'll need to spend over 10k on a Clio to make it as fast..
300hp+ saxos are very fast when in the right hands of course

22nd December 2012, 08:42

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=429993

Read through this

22nd December 2012, 10:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by W343NNA

willing to spend 7000 on a saxo... save that 7k buy a clio 182 spend some money on it amd having it running around the 200bhp mark... or a variety or other cars that will have more punt than your saxo..

Lol. That is all.
Give me a saxo, and £7k to spend on it, and I'll give you back a saxo that eats 200bhp clios for fucking breakfast.

If you buy a unmodified £7k car outright (Evo, scooby, etc) you'll struggle to find something that will bum a 300hp saxo where it matters (ie on the road).

22nd December 2012, 10:53

7 grand builds an impressive saxo, IF you build it yourself. if you get a garage to build it maybe not so much.

though im am inclined to agree with w343nna in some regards. I think 7k on a saxo is abit a tough when it will always be worthless really. 7K buys you a rebuilt RX7! a car to those who havent driven one, maybe a bold statement, but those who have im sure will understand. They are seriously awesome road cars!

22nd December 2012, 12:47

For 7k, if the majority of the work is done yourself and all the parts/mapping etc is good, then 7k on a saxo will get you a long way and will beat near enough anything else you can get for 7k, but you have to realise that you probably won't re-coup most of your money back like you will on a 7k car when you come to sell it

Then if you also think on another side of it, you won't get all the in-car luxuries and comforts that you will get in a 7k car if your fussed about that side of things, and theyres always a chance it will go wrong when building a high spec car like bad mapping, bad engine re-building etc

22nd December 2012, 13:23

Love my saxo too much to sell.. Not looking at making money back... Wanting to spend this much as its the car I want to keep. Looked at other cars but just don't have the same feeling as I do with this... More plans will be coming on it through 2013

22nd December 2012, 15:00

http://www.gmcmotorsport.co.uk/super.../prod_589.html

Pretty much everything you need for under 4k

22nd December 2012, 15:07

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Originally Posted by markj_vtr

http://www.gmcmotorsport.co.uk/super.../prod_589.html

Pretty much everything you need for under 4k

No ecu (& mapping) so allow a £500-1000 for that mind you

But yep, that's a great kit for a good price

Can you can save over that price if you want too, using an ebay intercooler (GT3 one etc).

Although John's been very conservative there with 7psi on standard internals and implying more boost requires forged, you can run a good chunk of boost (a bar or so) on standard internals with two head gaskets to lower compression. I bet you'd see 220bhp+ on that kit with standard internals with conservative mapping to keep it safe.

22nd December 2012, 15:16

in my opinion the first thing you want to be doing is building youself a top spec forged block then in the future your possibilities are endless.
do it correctly 1st time round then bring on the boost.lol

good luck fella

22nd December 2012, 18:26

ive found a 1800cc stroker kit for my vts, is forged crank, piston and con rods for near on 1.9k

22nd December 2012, 18:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sexysaxojames

ive found a 1800cc stroker kit for my vts, is forged crank, piston and con rods for near on 1.9k

don't bother with the stroker. Yes, go forged. No need for 1800cc.

22nd December 2012, 18:45

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Originally Posted by Ross

don't bother with the stroker. Yes, go forged. No need for 1800cc.

this guy is one of the boost boys you want to be listening to.
would you ever fancy a n/a build im running a 170bhp 106 gti which is lots of fun and great for daily use

22nd December 2012, 19:08

oo, well if someone can help me then with the forged parts, on where to look, would appreciate that, only seem to ever find pistons....

22nd December 2012, 19:09

n/a i was thinking of doing, but wanted over 200bhp, and places i went to and asked said i would mainly get about 4-bhp from doing things like cams, and thorttlebody along with chip and map so put e off a bit... if you know any other way, might be tempted too

22nd December 2012, 19:11

get a bigger budget and fit CVT

22nd December 2012, 19:14

never heard of cvt, explain what that is please. =/

22nd December 2012, 19:16

search it man. P.S im joking you wont be able to do it

22nd December 2012, 19:17

you can get 200bhp NA but it wont be cheap. Look through the forums for a user called "jpsaxo" as a good example.

For the money you want to spend, you'll get there though.

However (and of course there's always a but

) spend the same money on a boosted setup, and you'll be going a lot faster. But it's all about how you want the power delivery. They are VERY different animals

For rods and pistons, you need to decide at the start what you want - rods are "generic" (ie boosted rods are the same as high comp rods) but pistons are very different.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WOSSNER-FO...item20b6f46522

^ High comp Wossner pistons and PEC rods.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WOSSNER-FO...item1e615d3205

^ or boost.

22nd December 2012, 19:31

as said above by ross n/a-boost are very different things to use. I did think about going boost before i built what i did but mine was goingto be used daily and mainly as a fast road toy. i must say though i have had owned fast cars in the past and my 170bhp 106 is by far the best fun ive had in a car. i would certainly recommend having a passenger ride in one to see how much fun they are.

22nd December 2012, 19:35

also you say your wanting to spend 7k and you want 200bhp i think is abit pointless. what are you going to be using the car for ie any track action etc, and why is it you must have 200bhp

22nd December 2012, 20:03

I want over 200bhp. Just want I am looking for no main reasons to why, would end up coming to track car... Just want a saxo which wi destroy most things in my area..

22nd December 2012, 21:30

For the power you want with your budget, I personally think its best to go down the turbo route, and for the money probably use something like a dp engineering mani, gt25 turbo along with larger injectors, 2.25" pipes, forged bottom end etc and that will see you about 270 bhp, then you'll have a bit spare for the suspension and brakes etc to handle the thing

23rd December 2012, 10:40

Try and remember this too..if you're upping the power you'll ideally want to upgrade to decent suspension, brakes etc. (not just lowering it so it will look the tits).
Yo have to take that into your bdget too, plus when you have boost there's no doubt that you will want to up it more and more over time, so you need extra mapping sessions, parts etc etc.

23rd December 2012, 15:07

7k is a decent spend I'd you loose the French engine. My bro is running a 500bhp r5 using a vag 20vt awesome car and kills anything it bumps into and cheapish todo proberly get a garige to do the work and still have enuff for a full tank

23rd December 2012, 15:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by jay9119

7k is a decent spend I'd you loose the French engine. My bro is running a 500bhp r5 using a vag 20vt awesome car and kills anything it bumps into and cheapish todo proberly get a garige to do the work and still have enuff for a full tank

Pics of R5 and bay...

23rd December 2012, 15:41

Is that better? Must have seen it at French car show ect

23rd December 2012, 17:03

Just buy this? 420bhp and almost a saxo..

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...55al?logcode=p

23rd December 2012, 17:11

Lol that pic looks nice

And that pug on eBay would be mad, just not wanting to swap cars though...

23rd December 2012, 21:23

The r5 is a utter beast mate not been in anything like it. At cheap to do tbf plus is reilible 2 apart from sheering the clutch in 2.

24th December 2012, 11:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sexysaxojames

I want over 200bhp. Just want I am looking for no main reasons to why, would end up coming to track car... Just want a saxo which wi destroy most things in my area..

what you want is s/c for an everyday car
speak to sexygt -on here he has an old s/c +predator +std cams and has 220@wheels
have alook at his project progress thread

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=359308

25th December 2012, 12:23

Buy an ebay supercharger chip.

25th December 2012, 12:46

You're much better off buying a car someone has already wasted a shed load of money on!! I can't see you finding a faster car than this 10 second 1/4mile civic for 7k.

If you can't bare to sell the saxo.. Then don't but giving someone 7k to tune it is a fully retarded plan.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-Civi...item2c6ab355b4

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Twin-enign...item2a2731ecc9

25th December 2012, 13:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonkeyKnifeFight

You're much better off buying a car someone has already wasted a shed load of money on!!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Twin-enign...item2a2731ecc9

Unless the database I got the information from is out of date but this vehicle looks to have not had a individual vehicle approval that would be required for such a vehicle to legally be allowed to use the public roads.

25th December 2012, 13:22

Good spot. He suggests he uses it on the road!! Naughty naughty. No IVA would mean its untaxable and uninsurable.. A quick call to Dvla would confirm or deny its current status.

25th December 2012, 13:30

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Originally Posted by m4tt274

7 grand builds an impressive saxo, IF you build it yourself. if you get a garage to build it maybe not so much.

though im am inclined to agree with w343nna in some regards. I think 7k on a saxo is abit a tough when it will always be worthless really. 7K buys you a rebuilt RX7! a car to those who havent driven one, maybe a bold statement, but those who have im sure will understand. They are seriously awesome road cars!

1. RX7 costs a fortune when it goes wrong
2. there is a massive second hand parts market for saxo's
3. parts are cheaper for saxo's no matter how you look at it
4. Saxo parts are interchangeable with 106/rallye's/many TU variants/AX/etc/etc
5. Massive market for parts means you can sell your saxo parts:
i. quickly
ii. for a good price
iii. for what you paid or more if you got a second hand bargain

25th December 2012, 13:44

Ok, bearing in mind i paid 2k for my AX and have uprated many bits, but it came with standard internals, TD04 side mounted turbo, quaife MA box (now sold), mani, downpipe and side exit exhaust, oil catch, oil cooler, KMS mapped to 7 psi, LC1 wideband, buckets, cage, alloys, slicks, wets, battery in boot, evo intercooler and plumbing, std brakes, stripped, fire ext, fuel swirlpot and filter/pump (uprated), boost gauge, fan, coilovers with pugsport dampers and repositioned steering arms and 250lb springs with solid top mounts, lower strut brace, etc.

With that in mind i have bought and uprated the following bits:

Item....Price (£)....condition.....vendor

95 AX Forte 16v Turbo ..... £2,000 ..... 2nd ..... EBay
HDI Electronic Boost Control (celica) ..... £50 ..... 2nd ..... Ebay
Momo Race 330mm steering wheel (Oxo) ..... £50 ..... 2nd ..... AXOC
Steering wheel boss ..... £20 ..... New ..... Ebay
Passenger wing ..... £25 ..... 2nd ..... AXOC
Red Kit ..... £70 ..... 2nd ..... Gum Tree
Aerial Blanking plug ..... £8 ..... New ..... Ebay
Aerocatches locking ..... £45 ..... New ..... Ebay
Lights and adjusters (standard AX) ..... £50 ..... 2nd ..... AXOC
Rear quarter seals (non opening) ..... £22 ..... 2nd ..... Ebay
Wossner Low Comp pistons ..... £180 ..... 2nd ..... Ebay
Gasket, bolts, rings, ARP, water pump etc ..... £500 ..... New ..... Tweeq'd
C2 VTS Alloy Inlet + gaskets ..... £280 ..... 2nd ..... Sax-P
C2 inlet adapter plate for VTS throttle body ..... £60 ..... New ..... Tweeq'd
Alloy Intercooler 450x227x65mm ..... £70 ..... New ..... Ebay
HKS SSQV4 BOV (copy) ..... £47 ..... New ..... Ebay
Alloy weld flange HKS SSQV ..... £10 ..... New ..... Ebay
Apexi turbo timer ..... £12 ..... New ..... Ebay
Hi Spec Ultralite 4 Calipers, braided lines + DS3000 pads ..... £355 ..... 2nd ..... Sax-P
QH 266mm discs (206 Hdi) ..... £40 ..... New ..... Redline
Pug 405 23mm 4 port Master Cylinder ..... £25 ..... 2nd ..... Sax-P
ARB powerflex bushes (std VTS) ..... £10 ..... 2nd ..... Sax-P
Wishbone front powerflex bushes ..... £20 ..... 2nd ..... Sax-P
Rear beam powerflex bushes ..... £45 ..... 2nd/unused ..... Sax-P
Kidney plate reinforcing (106 parts) ..... £17 ..... New ..... 106 Parts
Lower arm reinforcing (106 parts) ..... £90 ..... New ..... 106 Parts
Chassis leg supports ..... £10 ..... 2nd ..... Rallye Reg
Satch shift (MA) ..... £259 ..... 2nd/unused ..... Rallye Reg
BE Satch conversion ..... £35 ..... 2nd/unused ..... Sax-P
6 Paddle Helix Clutch ..... £210 ..... 2nd ..... Ebay
4 bar FPR ..... £31 ..... 2nd ..... Ebay
IHI VF35 turbo ..... £263 ..... 2nd ..... Scooby Net
Rallye Vents ..... £40 ..... 2nd ..... 106OC
Wishbones ..... £23 ..... 2nd ..... Ebay
Ford zetec ignition coilpack ..... £22 ..... 2nd ..... Ebay
Injector cleaning ..... £40 ..... New ..... 205 Drivers
ABS Plastic 0.8mm door card material (400x2250mm) ..... £12 ..... New ..... Ebay
Rallye Steels (need a refurb) ..... £60 ..... 2nd ..... Sax-P
Kumho ecsta v70a tyres (set of 5) incl shipping ..... £410 ..... New ..... Ebay
Upper strut brace ..... £42 ..... 2nd ..... AXOC
Headlight adjusters ..... £12 ..... 2nd ..... Ebay
Red rattle can paint ..... £13 ..... New ..... Wilco
intercooler pipe and micalore clamps ..... £20 ..... New ..... ASH
Hammerite smooth white wheel paint ..... £9 ..... New ..... Wilco
Cosworth fuel pump ..... £149 ..... New ..... Jam Sport
New Corsa Diesel Radiator ..... £31 ..... New ..... Ebay
Castrol edge oil ..... £45 ..... New ..... Wilco
Red coolant ..... £15 ..... New ..... Wilco
Vauxhall rad cap (1.4 bar) ..... £8 ..... New ..... Wilco
VTS thermostat ..... £10 ..... New ..... Wilco
Gasket Sealent ..... £12 ..... New ..... Wilco
Berlingo centre caps ..... £13 ..... New ..... Sax-p
2.5" Silicone hoses (x2) ..... £21 ..... New ..... Ebay
Sump Baffle ..... £158 ..... New ..... Constella
EGT and Boost gauge ..... £172 ..... New ..... McNulty electronics
Catcam Turbo inlet cam ..... £162 ..... New ..... Catcams
Catcam Turbo exhaust cam ..... £211 ..... New ..... Catcams
Sparco steering wheel buttons ..... £33 ..... New ..... JJC
Rear wishbone bushes ..... £119 ..... New ..... Polybush
Forged Rods ..... £300 ..... New ..... Wossner UK
ACL race big end shells ..... £65 ..... New ..... GMC Motorsport
ACL race main bearing shells ..... £129 ..... New ..... Spoox Motorsport
Oil pressure/temp gauge (racetech) + capillary ..... £117 ..... New ..... Demon Tweeks
VTS brake servo ..... £20 ..... 2nd ..... Ebay
Map ..... £550 ..... New ..... Jam Sport
MOT ..... £40 ..... New ..... Tweeq'd
BE Quaife ..... £410 ..... 2nd ..... Ebay
BE4R Picasso Box, speedo sensor, 306 n/s shaft, bearing carrier, o/s shaft, mounts ..... £159 ..... 2nd ..... Ebay
BE gearbox mount (Garry.M) ..... £70 ..... New ..... Rallye Reg
M10 Rose joints (x2) ..... £20 ..... New ..... Ebay
Driveshaft shorten ..... £50 ..... New ..... Workshop
BE hubs (machined down to 37mm) ..... £52 ..... 2nd ..... Rallye Reg
2 x 37mm wheel bearings ..... £49 ..... New ..... Car Parts4Less
BE manual cable conversion ..... £35 ..... New ..... Peugeot
BE clutch cable ..... £15 ..... New ..... Ebay

Total: £8850.062 - which includes the cost of the car

There is also some labour as i used martin at Tweeq'd who might i add has done/doing a bloody top job.
Prices also include shipping where required.
Note - i have grouped the BE conversion parts at the bottom if anyone is interested

25th December 2012, 14:15

So having spent that money on a car would you suggest the op buys a faster car or tunes his own?

If you can't do the work yourself around half your money will go on labour so the op will probably end up with a quick car rather than a mind bendingly fast car.

25th December 2012, 17:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonkeyKnifeFight

So having spent that money on a car would you suggest the op buys a faster car or tunes his own?

If you can't do the work yourself around half your money will go on labour so the op will probably end up with a quick car rather than a mind bendingly fast car.

that's down to the op and his budget. Mine makes about 420bhp/ton with more to come. Its terrifyingly quick, not much out there for that price and I get resale on all my parts if you care to work out the prices.

25th December 2012, 18:13

Bingo. Find something similar power to weight for the money.

25th December 2012, 18:25

Cough!!

http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/c...sh-1994/941961

Don't get me wrong I'd rather walk than be seen in it!! but I believe it meets the criteria to your challenge

25th December 2012, 19:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonkeyKnifeFight

Cough!!

http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/c...sh-1994/941961

Don't get me wrong I'd rather walk than be seen in it!! but I believe it meets the criteria to your challenge

Seriously, it has a sub in the boot and that engine looks bog standard to me.

I'd question the power output and any add written so badly would immediately arouse my suspicion. I certainly wouldn't part with 4.5k for tthat hough i'm sure these gentlemen would approve:

25th December 2012, 19:27

Lol at that advert - clearly knows his stuff! 700bhp?

Oh rly?