VTR gearbox, VTS Engine?

1. Oli-VTR Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2011 Nottingham/South London Posts: 976 Icelandic Grey VTR Mk2

   #1 15th January 2013, 19:52

   Am I right In thinking the VTR gearbox has longer gears than the VTS, as the VTS box is more geared for acceleration? So if you put a VTR box on a VTS engine would you have a higher top speed, at a loss of some acceleration?
2. lewismonteith Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2012 Portsmouth Posts: 568 1992 MX-5 1.6 SE

   #2 15th January 2013, 19:55

   I'm pretty sure that would be the case
3. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

   #3 15th January 2013, 19:58

   Not really worth it unless you do a lot of motorway miles and are looking for better fuel economy. Not many places to get to "the top speed" And I personally wouldn't want to in a saxo.
   
   Also I have driven a vts on a R box and the box was way too long the car felt sluggish.
4. MartinObviously Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge

   #4 15th January 2013, 20:08

   VTR box has the same ratios as the diesel.
   
   except from first and second gear.
   
   It'll make the car painfully slow
5. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

   #5 15th January 2013, 20:11

   As said, its a massive down grade on a normal VTS
6. Oli-VTR Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2011 Nottingham/South London Posts: 976 Icelandic Grey VTR Mk2

   #6 15th January 2013, 20:14

   I get it'd be a step down from a VTS but it would still be quicker than a VTR as its the same ratios just coupled to a quicker engine?
   
   I'm planning on putting a 1.1 box on my 16v conversion but as the VTR box I have is tip too was just weighing up the pros and cons
7. MartinObviously Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge

   #7 15th January 2013, 20:52

   Naturally yes, it would still be faster than a VTR.
   
   power or torque as standard on the 8V never exceeds that of the 16V at any point.
8. rich112 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2009 Kent Posts: 4207 Mango cammed furio vts

   #8 15th January 2013, 23:49

   I had 1.4 furio box on my vts for 6 months, was great but vts box is such a difference.
9. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

   #9 16th January 2013, 00:47

   my mate had a gti with a vtr box, that was still quicker than my vtr but only really once he got into 3rd
   
   my old vts with vts box felt a bit faster than his gti, but i never actually 'road tested' it against a vtr
10. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #10 17th January 2013, 03:55

    vtr shares same ratios with a few boxes tbh..its th FD thats different
11. Yates Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Pompey/Darlo Posts: 31546 MK1 - 1.1 Animal

    #11 17th January 2013, 03:59

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LSOfreak my mate had a gti with a vtr box, that was still quicker than my vtr but only really once he got into 3rd

    this is the same for a vts with a vts box, hardly any difference between the two in first and second gear
12. martin1985 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2012 North East Posts: 510 EP3 Type R

    #12 17th January 2013, 12:17

    i have a 1.1 box in my vts...pretty much the same ratio as a vts box and is much better than the vtr box i had, it was horrid!
13. mechsman Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2010 Bristol Posts: 906 Saxo 1.4i SX 3dr, 106 (engine swap under way), p

    #13 17th January 2013, 14:50

    OP: your assumption re the top speed vs acceleration is correct. On a side note, I have a 1.1 box on my 1.4sx and round town it's great, very point and squirt. On the motorway it's horrid. ~3250rpm for 70mph with a sniper 3 inch back box is loud!
14. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

    #14 17th January 2013, 16:27

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mechsman OP: your assumption re the top speed vs acceleration is correct. On a side note, I have a 1.1 box on my 1.4sx and round town it's great, very point and squirt. On the motorway it's horrid. ~3250rpm for 70mph with a sniper 3 inch back box is loud!

    try an s1 rallye box if you want mega rpm at 70!
15. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #15 17th January 2013, 20:26

    The car won't be terribly slow at all, I went from a 1.1 box to a vtr box on my vts, felt no difference now I've got a vts box still feel no difference
16. martin1985 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2012 North East Posts: 510 EP3 Type R

    #16 17th January 2013, 21:45

    but the ratio's on the vtr box are longer, 1 & 2nd gear on the vtr box are similer but after that its like a diesel box
17. user_41194 Established Member Joined: Jan 2010 Bournemouth/Surrey Posts: 2458 Mk2 VTR

    #17 17th January 2013, 22:06

    Whats the 1.4 box like compared to a vtr box on a vtr?
    
    Sorry to hijack!
18. CandleJak Newbie Joined: Sep 2012 Lowestoft Posts: 8 Citroen Saxo Westcoast 1.4

    #18 17th January 2013, 22:24

    I have a saxo westcoast 1.4 and i changed my gear box but i fear the gearbox i got is a vtr or vts gearbox cause my gear ratio seems all off. How would i kno or is it a problem?
19. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

    #19 17th January 2013, 22:32

    CHeck what RPM it does at what speed and what tyres you run etc
    check the code on the gearbox, doesnt mean it hasnt been rebuilt into another casing mind but thats quite rare really
20. MartinObviously Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge

    #20 17th January 2013, 23:37

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by martin1985 but the ratio's on the vtr box are longer, 1 & 2nd gear on the vtr box are similer but after that its like a diesel box

    after first and second it is the same ratios as a diesel box in 3rd, 4th and 5th.
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MrChris Whats the 1.4 box like compared to a vtr box on a vtr? Sorry to hijack!

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CandleJak I have a saxo westcoast 1.4 and i changed my gear box but i fear the gearbox i got is a vtr or vts gearbox cause my gear ratio seems all off. How would i kno or is it a problem?

    the 1.4 gearbox (if it's the same as a 1.4 quicksilver (75PS)) then it has the same gearbox as the 1.5D. the ratios are exactly the same.
    
    a VTS/GTI gearbox sits about 3250 at 70mph in 5th gear, or 4000rpm at 70 in 4th gear.
    
    a VTR/1.5D/1.4 sits at about 2900 at 70mph in 5th gear.
21. user_64763 Established Member Joined: Jun 2013 York Posts: 2134 Citroen Saxo VTR (2001)

    #21 12th February 2014, 00:12

    Old bump and hijack, but reading through this I'm wondering would putting a VTS box on a VTR make it much quicker accelerating?
22. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

    #22 12th February 2014, 00:43

    I don't think it's night and day in difference but yes it does, but then I went from vtr box to s1 rallye which was obviously majorly different in final drives, then to a vts box in the end
    
    
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23. user_57064 Established Member Joined: Jan 2012 south essex!! Posts: 2442 posi blue vtrs race car

    #23 25th February 2014, 12:18

    yes it will make it faster to accelerate but at any motorway work, youll be revving alot harder...
    
    
    p.s i had a vtr box in my vts for 1 track day, boy i couldnt wait to get that fucking thing out, 72MPH in 2nd gear was beyond all help on a 14" wheel...
    
    i think ross worked it out at 77mph in 2nd with 14" wheel 8krpm limit and a vtr box...