swapping a 3plug loom to a one plug loom

1. L11WOK L-plater Joined: Jan 2013 Newcastle Posts: 37 2000 Saxo VTS, Silver 2001 Saxo Furio, Silver

   #1 26th January 2013, 18:03

   the vts loom i have is a one plug ecu (i dont know if this counts for every vts) however the furio im putting the vts engine into has a 3plug ecu, is one ecu better than the other for modding? and is it just the case of swapping the engine loom straight over to change ecus?
2. saxoboi85 Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 Co.Wexford Ireland Posts: 127 Citroen saxo vtr Citroen Mechanic

   #2 26th January 2013, 18:26

   You have to look at the plug the joins the car loom as there is two different types on most the phase 2 models 2001 on is this one
   
   36 pins in that plug
   
   But some do have the older looms with two plugs
   
   If you have the same plug as pictured then the vts loom will fit as long as the plugs are the same
3. L11WOK L-plater Joined: Jan 2013 Newcastle Posts: 37 2000 Saxo VTS, Silver 2001 Saxo Furio, Silver

   #3 26th January 2013, 19:05

   yeah there both one plug fitments next to battery, so is it just the case of swopping loom, ecu, chip and transponder?
4. Tom5190 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 Someones Bumhole Posts: 5721 Mk2 16v Desire

   #4 26th January 2013, 22:35

   your 1 plug vts probly wont fit a 3 plug furio unless both cars are crossover looms. what reg is the furio?
5. saxoboi85 Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 Co.Wexford Ireland Posts: 127 Citroen saxo vtr Citroen Mechanic

   #5 27th January 2013, 17:48

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by L11WOK yeah there both one plug fitments next to battery, so is it just the case of swopping loom, ecu, chip and transponder?

   If the vts plugs in to that plug then ya good to go for vts conversion you will need the fuel lines tho but most spi Saxo's have the lines you need
6. saxoboi85 Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 Co.Wexford Ireland Posts: 127 Citroen saxo vtr Citroen Mechanic

   #6 27th January 2013, 17:48

   Don't for get the ecu must match the chip box and key
7. L11WOK L-plater Joined: Jan 2013 Newcastle Posts: 37 2000 Saxo VTS, Silver 2001 Saxo Furio, Silver

   #7 31st January 2013, 15:01

   so im good to go then is it much of a pain to put the return fuel line off the vts onto the furio?
8. saxoboi85 Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 Co.Wexford Ireland Posts: 127 Citroen saxo vtr Citroen Mechanic

   #8 2nd February 2013, 09:54

   No it's not but it does help if the two front seats are removed to get the carpet out as I'm doing mine today if you want I could get a few pics to show you
9. L11WOK L-plater Joined: Jan 2013 Newcastle Posts: 37 2000 Saxo VTS, Silver 2001 Saxo Furio, Silver

   #9 15th February 2013, 19:17

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by saxoboi85 No it's not but it does help if the two front seats are removed to get the carpet out as I'm doing mine today if you want I could get a few pics to show you

   that would be great, how did you get on?
10. L11WOK L-plater Joined: Jan 2013 Newcastle Posts: 37 2000 Saxo VTS, Silver 2001 Saxo Furio, Silver

    #10 18th February 2013, 18:09

    it wont start, swapped engine and loom, clocks, key, black box and ecu but immobiliser light ius still on, any ideas?
11. Cam Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2010 Kent Posts: 8439 Gen 7 Celica 190.

    #11 18th February 2013, 18:12

    Ecu is locked
12. L11WOK L-plater Joined: Jan 2013 Newcastle Posts: 37 2000 Saxo VTS, Silver 2001 Saxo Furio, Silver

    #12 18th February 2013, 18:22

    but that ecu is for that blackbox and chip and engine so surely it should still run?
13. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #13 18th February 2013, 21:58

    So much easier to just get an unlocked ecu and unplug the immobiliser, I would just buy an unlocked one and make life 100x easier
14. L11WOK L-plater Joined: Jan 2013 Newcastle Posts: 37 2000 Saxo VTS, Silver 2001 Saxo Furio, Silver

    #14 18th February 2013, 22:12

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saxoboi85 You have to look at the plug the joins the car loom as there is two different types on most the phase 2 models 2001 on is this oneAttachment 17008 36 pins in that plug But some do have the older looms with two plugs If you have the same plug as pictured then the vts loom will fit as long as the plugs are the same

    i think my main problem is the fact that these two plugs are the same size and 36pins but the 1.4 plug has 20wires and the vts has 21 and the wires are totally different, help please
15. Tom5190 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 Someones Bumhole Posts: 5721 Mk2 16v Desire

    #15 18th February 2013, 22:15

    Put a picture of each plug up. Youve gone about this the longest way possible you didnt need the key, pick up or immo box you can unlock the ecu when you remove it from the car.
16. L11WOK L-plater Joined: Jan 2013 Newcastle Posts: 37 2000 Saxo VTS, Silver 2001 Saxo Furio, Silver

    #16 18th February 2013, 22:28

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tom5190 Put a picture of each plug up. Youve gone about this the longest way possible you didnt need the key, pick up or immo box you can unlock the ecu when you remove it from the car.

    i didnt unlock it because i waas told if i change ecu transponder and chip it would work, i dont think there is a problem with the ecu its gotta be the plug differences
    
    vts
    
    furio
17. L11WOK L-plater Joined: Jan 2013 Newcastle Posts: 37 2000 Saxo VTS, Silver 2001 Saxo Furio, Silver

    #17 18th February 2013, 22:30

    i cant get pictures on either, the 2000 vts has 21 and 2001 furio has 20
18. Tom5190 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 Someones Bumhole Posts: 5721 Mk2 16v Desire

    #18 18th February 2013, 22:32

    The amount of pins dosent matter its the location that maters use photobucket. Some plugs syill have the 3 aircon wires for example.
    
    Have uou still got the vts?
19. L11WOK L-plater Joined: Jan 2013 Newcastle Posts: 37 2000 Saxo VTS, Silver 2001 Saxo Furio, Silver

    #19 18th February 2013, 22:36

    yes its here with me
20. Tom5190 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 Someones Bumhole Posts: 5721 Mk2 16v Desire

    #20 18th February 2013, 22:41

    You should of just unplugged the vts ecu/immo box whilst ignition was on that unlocks them. Throw a photo of each plug up using photobucket so I can see the pin layout.
21. L11WOK L-plater Joined: Jan 2013 Newcastle Posts: 37 2000 Saxo VTS, Silver 2001 Saxo Furio, Silver

    #21 18th February 2013, 22:46

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22. Tom5190 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 Someones Bumhole Posts: 5721 Mk2 16v Desire

    #22 18th February 2013, 22:50

    Use the img code
23. L11WOK L-plater Joined: Jan 2013 Newcastle Posts: 37 2000 Saxo VTS, Silver 2001 Saxo Furio, Silver

    #23 18th February 2013, 22:50

    vts
24. Tom5190 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 Someones Bumhole Posts: 5721 Mk2 16v Desire

    #24 18th February 2013, 23:17

    Still doing it wrong mate
25. L11WOK L-plater Joined: Jan 2013 Newcastle Posts: 37 2000 Saxo VTS, Silver 2001 Saxo Furio, Silver

    #25 19th February 2013, 10:02

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26. L11WOK L-plater Joined: Jan 2013 Newcastle Posts: 37 2000 Saxo VTS, Silver 2001 Saxo Furio, Silver

    #26 19th February 2013, 18:08

    anyone got these plug diagrams?
27. Tom5190 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 Someones Bumhole Posts: 5721 Mk2 16v Desire

    #27 19th February 2013, 19:22

    Yea they don't work together mate the furio is a 3 plug later type pin layout and the vts is a crossover pin layout. Ignition live, starter & fuel pump are the only pins that are the same. You need the loom splicing.
28. Cam Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2010 Kent Posts: 8439 Gen 7 Celica 190.

    #28 19th February 2013, 19:26

    I've got a spliced loom and unlocked delimited ecu for sale.
    
    Loom is 3 plug to single plug engine loom.