vts conversion won't rev up

1. Ali123 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt

   #1 7th February 2013, 23:23

   got my vts lump running finally, but it does cut out straight away if you dont keep tapping the throttle , also it sound like there is a slight vacuum leek too, could that cause it to not want to idle atall? also, i have no lambda sensors, could that be the cause of it stalling ?
   
   cheers!
2. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

   #2 7th February 2013, 23:25

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Ali123 got my vts lump running finally, but it does cut out straight away if you dont keep tapping the throttle , also it sound like there is a slight vacuum leek too, could that cause it to not want to idle atall? also, i have no lambda sensors, could that be the cause of it stalling ? cheers!

   yes yes and yes. easy solved.
3. Cam Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2010 Kent Posts: 8439 Gen 7 Celica 190.

   #3 7th February 2013, 23:25

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Bedford126 yes yes and yes. easy solved.

   Short and simple i like.
4. Ali123 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt

   #4 7th February 2013, 23:26

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Bedford126 yes yes and yes. easy solved.

   sound got a couple of lambda sensors at home, so shall take those up with me tomorrow!
5. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

   #5 7th February 2013, 23:29

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Ali123 sound got a couple of lambda sensors at home, so shall take those up with me tomorrow!

   Yeah mate it will be over fuelling like a bastard. the air leak wont be helping.
6. Ali123 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt

   #6 7th February 2013, 23:30

   my old quicky engine ran fine with no lambda sensors but every engines different! but i shall give those a go! and really hope i wont have to buy a new inlet mani
7. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

   #7 7th February 2013, 23:32

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Ali123 my old quicky engine ran fine with no lambda sensors

   I bet you it didn't run as good and as efficient as it would if you had of run one.
8. Ali123 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt

   #8 7th February 2013, 23:33

   deffo not as effiecient but the pops and bangs were mental
   and it didnt feel any worse or better to drive with or without em like, but i shall give those a go tomorrow and see if that helps with the idling issue!
9. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

   #9 7th February 2013, 23:37

   Also clean your throttle body and clean and lube the icv you dirty tramp.
10. Ali123 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt

    #10 7th February 2013, 23:44

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bedford126 Also clean your throttle body and clean and lube the icv you dirty tramp.

    i shall do tomorrow if i have time, busy day tomorrow at work
    and youre a dirty tramp! and youre a gay one too!
11. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

    #11 7th February 2013, 23:46

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ali123 i shall do tomorrow if i have time, busy day tomorrow at work and youre a dirty tramp! and youre a gay one too!

    Lol lets compare my engine bay to yours and see who's is cleanest and enough with the gayness. I swear you want me to be gay.
12. Ali123 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt

    #12 7th February 2013, 23:50

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bedford126 Lol lets compare my engine bay to yours and see who's is cleanest and enough with the gayness. I swear you want me to be gay.

    mine will be clean soon dont worry! once everything is running 100% i shall get on it!
    and yes , i want you to be gay so i can touch you where you wee wee from.
13. Ali123 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt

    #13 8th February 2013, 22:20

    Got the cutting ou issue etc sorted but it has a really lumpy idle and won't rev up past 3.5/4k
    Coilpack?
14. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

    #14 8th February 2013, 22:29

    plug it in, see what faults it brings up
15. Ali123 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt

    #15 8th February 2013, 22:31

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Prickle plug it in, see what faults it brings up

    Won't talk to it mate
16. Cam Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2010 Kent Posts: 8439 Gen 7 Celica 190.

    #16 8th February 2013, 22:35

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ali123 Won't talk to it mate

    Should do mine did lol
17. Ali123 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt

    #17 8th February 2013, 22:53

    Hmm dunno what else to do
18. mlawlan69 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2010 leeds Posts: 4389 MCS R53 S/C 16v furiooo

    #18 8th February 2013, 23:23

    So ECU is basically in limp mode.
    
    Lumpy idle is probably because its cammed (all saxos have been cammed) over 4k is only on a pred ecu it used to have. Lol.
    
    Seriously though mate, I don't know, what have you changed on the engine? Are all the plugs etc connected.
19. Ali123 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt

    #19 9th February 2013, 01:35

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mlawlan69 So ECU is basically in limp mode. Lumpy idle is probably because its cammed (all saxos have been cammed) over 4k is only on a pred ecu it used to have. Lol. Seriously though mate, I don't know, what have you changed on the engine? Are all the plugs etc connected.

    hsha wish it was cammed as the lumpy idle does sound fucking ace! shall upload a video soon!
    and nothing mate, and yep everythings conected
    like basically its either majorly over fueling or its not burning all the fuel as its absolutley stinks and when you rev it up pumps out a shit load of black smoke
20. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

    #20 9th February 2013, 01:39

    Should be pumping out no smoke at all, Ali. I mean no smoke lols.
21. Ali123 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt

    #21 9th February 2013, 01:42

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mlawlan69 So ECU is basically in limp mode. Lumpy idle is probably because its cammed (all saxos have been cammed) over 4k is only on a pred ecu it used to have. Lol. Seriously though mate, I don't know, what have you changed on the engine? Are all the plugs etc connected.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Prickle Should be pumping out no smoke at all, Ali. I mean no smoke lols.

    
    i know
    but its cos theres so much unburnt fuel!
22. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

    #22 9th February 2013, 01:43

    derv 16v imo.
23. Ali123 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt

    #23 9th February 2013, 01:44

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Prickle derv 16v imo.

    dont be a bender i need help!

    1 user thanked this post: Pricklep
24. mlawlan69 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2010 leeds Posts: 4389 MCS R53 S/C 16v furiooo

    #24 9th February 2013, 02:22

    is it correctly timed up? 1-2 teeth too many might be allowing too much fuel through without burning it? the engine did look to have been sat for a while so it could be possible.
    
    or your injectors might be fucked?
25. Ali123 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt

    #25 9th February 2013, 02:24

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mlawlan69 is it correctly timed up? 1-2 teeth too many might be allowing too much fuel through without burning it? the engine did look to have been sat for a while so it could be possible. or your injectors might be fucked?

    pretty sure the timing is correct pal and possibly i dont know what to do now tbh, as i cant afford to keep buying bits and trying them on also MOT is due very soon and need to get it ready!
26. mlawlan69 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2010 leeds Posts: 4389 MCS R53 S/C 16v furiooo

    #26 9th February 2013, 02:34

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ali123 pretty sure the timing is correct pal and possibly i dont know what to do now tbh, as i cant afford to keep buying bits and trying them on also MOT is due very soon and need to get it ready!

    sure isn't enough, you need to be positive, the idle does sound like a timing issue to me, perhaps why it's limited to 4k? im no mechanic but...
27. Cam Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2010 Kent Posts: 8439 Gen 7 Celica 190.

    #27 9th February 2013, 02:36

    Show me a video ali
28. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

    #28 9th February 2013, 03:56

    Fuck me like the blind leading the blind. Ali check spark plugs and gap them up. After spark plugs check the coil pack.
    
    You say it's over fueling like a bastard have you fitted the lambda's and what colour map sensor is fitted?
29. user_18031 Established Member Joined: Sep 2007 Co.Durham Posts: 1679 2 clio 182's and Icelandic Vtr

    #29 9th February 2013, 07:10

    Try the crank position sensor
30. Ali123 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt

    #30 9th February 2013, 16:15

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bedford126 Fuck me like the blind leading the blind. Ali check spark plugs and gap them up. After spark plugs check the coil pack. You say it's over fueling like a bastard have you fitted the lambda's and what colour map sensor is fitted?

    plugs are brand new and green mate or blue, cant remember exactly which colour and i havnt really looked mate shall have to check on friday
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by chris205 Try the crank position sensor

    i shall do!
31. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

    #31 9th February 2013, 16:17

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ali123 plugs are brand new and green mate or blue, cant remember exactly which colour and i havnt really looked mate shall have to check on friday

    Doesn't matter if they are new if they not gapped correctly.
32. Ali123 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt

    #32 9th February 2013, 16:20

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bedford126 Doesn't matter if they are new if they not gapped correctly.

    shall check that too dennn!
33. Ali123 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt

    #33 9th February 2013, 16:21

    you dont happen to have a spare 16v coilpack laying around either do you?
34. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

    #34 9th February 2013, 16:23

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ali123 you dont happen to have a spare 16v coilpack laying around either do you?

    nope I only do 8v mate. I do have a new crank position sensor though.
35. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #35 9th February 2013, 17:17

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by chris205 Try the crank position sensor

    the engine wouldnt start if the cps wasnt working
36. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #36 9th February 2013, 17:24

    does your smoke look like this?
    
37. Tom5190 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 Someones Bumhole Posts: 5721 Mk2 16v Desire

    #37 9th February 2013, 17:26

    Have you plugged both lambdas in ali?
38. Ali123 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt

    #38 9th February 2013, 18:08

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jeffchiz does your smoke look like this?

    yeah mate, apart from i cant rev mine above 3.5/4k!
39. Ali123 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt

    #39 9th February 2013, 18:09

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tom5190 Have you plugged both lambdas in ali?

    yes mate
40. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #40 9th February 2013, 19:12

    yea my car was properly over fueling in that vid id be careful with running it too much as it wrecked my piston rings!
41. Tom5190 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 Someones Bumhole Posts: 5721 Mk2 16v Desire

    #41 9th February 2013, 19:24

    So both lambdas are in and its still massivly over fueling? They definatly the correct lambdas, and you have bank 1 in the mani and bank 2 out of the exhaust? As stated above start checking for ignition in each cylinder. Youve definatly got a miss at low revs, does it dissapear if you take it to 4K?
42. Ali123 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt

    #42 9th February 2013, 20:13

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tom5190 So both lambdas are in and its still massivly over fueling? They definatly the correct lambdas, and you have bank 1 in the mani and bank 2 out of the exhaust? As stated above start checking for ignition in each cylinder. Youve definatly got a miss at low revs, does it dissapear if you take it to 4K?

    Well the lambda sensors are off my mates 1.1 saxo and they were both working , one was only a couple of month old ad yeah if you rev it up it disappears
43. Ali123 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt

    #43 9th February 2013, 20:15

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jeffchiz yea my car was properly over fueling in that vid id be careful with running it too much as it wrecked my piston rings!

    What did you do to fix it mate ?
44. Tom5190 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 Someones Bumhole Posts: 5721 Mk2 16v Desire

    #44 9th February 2013, 20:38

    Sams had a shit map on it.
    
    Check it's sparking correctly
45. Ali123 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt

    #45 9th February 2013, 20:43

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tom5190 Sams had a shit map on it. Check it's sparking correctly

    That won't apply to me then! And I shall do!
46. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #46 9th February 2013, 20:49

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ali123 What did you do to fix it mate ?

    easy fix, i sold the engine ha
47. Ali123 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt

    #47 10th February 2013, 04:21

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jeffchiz easy fix, i sold the engine ha

    risuakgdfhwiuerkhafiluwe
    im not driving the car anyway so i wont damage it, only drving it in and out of the garage like
    but just wanna sort it out soon as poss!
48. user_18031 Established Member Joined: Sep 2007 Co.Durham Posts: 1679 2 clio 182's and Icelandic Vtr

    #48 10th February 2013, 17:57

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jeffchiz the engine wouldnt start if the cps wasnt working

    I wasnt referring to it not working, I had a 106 gti many years ago with a faulty crank position sensor that limited the revs to 5k rpm, was fucking annoying especially when thats the fun part beginning.
    
    Changed my CPS and it was back to 7k rpm no problems.
    
    Have you driven the car under load yet or just had it sat idling?
    
    Have you checked the voltage the battery and alternator are putting out? No breaks in the wiring loom etc?
49. Ali123 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt

    #49 10th February 2013, 18:42

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by chris205 I wasnt referring to it not working, I had a 106 gti many years ago with a faulty crank position sensor that limited the revs to 5k rpm, was fucking annoying especially when thats the fun part beginning. Changed my CPS and it was back to 7k rpm no problems. Have you driven the car under load yet or just had it sat idling? Have you checked the voltage the battery and alternator are putting out? No breaks in the wiring loom etc?

    
    havnt driven it yet mate, only had idling ( but has a very lumpy idle! )
    and no mate i havnt
50. Tom5190 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 Someones Bumhole Posts: 5721 Mk2 16v Desire

    #50 11th February 2013, 00:13

    You find anything else out matey?
51. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

    #51 11th February 2013, 00:40

    I still think its the map sensor causing a knock sensor fault limiting the revs.