Vtr turbo help/info please

1. Silk Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2013 kent Posts: 330 vtr mk2

   #1 6th March 2013, 16:57

   hi, i bought a turbo kit for my vtr, my current engine isn't healthy in the car now but have spare engine im going to put turbo on, while my spare engine is out my question is what are the main things i need to do to make it last bit longer (i know it will blow eventually lol) im yet to paint the block and head but want to get things sorted with the engine first. many thanks silk
2. jasonmayall Established Member Joined: Mar 2011 Birmingham Posts: 2148 Rover BRM, Rover 800 Coupe, Mk6 golf.

   #2 6th March 2013, 17:28

   For starters, Do you know what sort of condition your new engine is in?
3. Silk Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2013 kent Posts: 330 vtr mk2

   #3 6th March 2013, 17:47

   hi, i had a mk1 that i tried it in & it run, kept engine scrapped mk1, so the engine seems ok, thanks
4. MartinObviously Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge

   #4 6th March 2013, 17:49

   Fit new big end bearings.
5. Silk Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2013 kent Posts: 330 vtr mk2

   #5 6th March 2013, 17:53

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by MartinObviously Fit new big end bearings.

   sort of price we looking for them mate?, just trying to find the essentials that needs to be done, kinda budget it all. thanks
6. MartinObviously Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge

   #6 6th March 2013, 18:05

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Silk sort of price we looking for them mate?, just trying to find the essentials that needs to be done, kinda budget it all. thanks

   Probably about £30? if you fit them yourself
7. Silk Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2013 kent Posts: 330 vtr mk2

   #7 6th March 2013, 18:12

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by MartinObviously Probably about £30? if you fit them yourself

   oh thanks mate, ill have a look, just go straight in?
8. MartinObviously Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge

   #8 6th March 2013, 18:18

   Yeah they are straight forward to do.
9. Silk Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2013 kent Posts: 330 vtr mk2

   #9 6th March 2013, 18:22

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by MartinObviously Yeah they are straight forward to do.

   Ok mate thanks for that. would you recommend any other safe mods?
10. jasonmayall Established Member Joined: Mar 2011 Birmingham Posts: 2148 Rover BRM, Rover 800 Coupe, Mk6 golf.

    #10 6th March 2013, 18:43

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Silk Ok mate thanks for that. would you recommend any other safe mods?

    I'd probably do the rings whilst your there, just as a precaution.
    You doubling the head gasket or?
11. Silk Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2013 kent Posts: 330 vtr mk2

    #11 6th March 2013, 18:46

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jasonmayall I'd probably do the rings whilst your there, just as a precaution. You doubling the head gasket or?

    ok mate thanks, good idea, yeah probably, it worth smoothing the inlets ect?, & anything else you can recommend?. thanks
12. ThrushMotorsport Established Member Joined: Jan 2011 Aberdeen Posts: 1092 Turbo Saxo vtr, 2010 Octavia VRS TSI, mk3 Ibiza cu

    #12 6th March 2013, 19:12

    tbh, without doing all the hard work, porting your head etc will all be wasted, better off fitting low comp pistons for the sake of what.. £400, which would be roughly the price of porting and flowing
    
    Chuck in some new rod bearings, and ARP rod bolts, and have fun boosting it to the max without thinking its going to blow.
    
    Only things you'll have to watch is for driveshafts and gearboxes getting blown to shreads
    
    Might aswell make it last forever rather than it blowing if you aint got the time and money to keep replacing engines
13. Silk Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2013 kent Posts: 330 vtr mk2

    #13 6th March 2013, 19:25

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ThrushMotorsport tbh, without doing all the hard work, porting your head etc will all be wasted, better off fitting low comp pistons for the sake of what.. £400, which would be roughly the price of porting and flowing Chuck in some new rod bearings, and ARP rod bolts, and have fun boosting it to the max without thinking its going to blow. Only things you'll have to watch is for driveshafts and gearboxes getting blown to shreads Might aswell make it last forever rather than it blowing if you aint got the time and money to keep replacing engines

    ok mate thanks ill look into that aswell
14. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #14 7th March 2013, 00:20

    Prickle pm him done his vts

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15. Silk Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2013 kent Posts: 330 vtr mk2

    #15 7th March 2013, 00:28

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush Prickle pm him done his vts

    ok mate thanks
16. Silk Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2013 kent Posts: 330 vtr mk2

    #16 15th March 2013, 20:51

    im looking at intercoolers & oil coolers, anyone suggest any, im not rolling in money so good for the money ones please, thanks.
17. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #17 15th March 2013, 21:15

    Need specs and budget to help you out really mate
18. Silk Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2013 kent Posts: 330 vtr mk2

    #18 15th March 2013, 21:27

    hi blackie, these are what iv come across, ill get info on turbo tomorrow.
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CITROEN-SA...item5d3a89082f
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-25-UNIVE...item4840f826ca
    
    unless a pic would help?
19. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #19 15th March 2013, 22:20

    D you need an oil cooler?
    
    What will you use the car for
20. Silk Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2013 kent Posts: 330 vtr mk2

    #20 15th March 2013, 22:26

    if the oil cooler will help?, a cruiser & maybe a cheeky track day.
21. Silk Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2013 kent Posts: 330 vtr mk2

    #21 9th April 2013, 20:50

    injectors, am i going to need to upgrade?, there are some with my kit(i get a pic to help identifying would be appreciated) thanks
22. SeniorGT L-plater Joined: Mar 2011 Rotherham Posts: 45 C2 GT Turbo

    #22 9th April 2013, 21:18

    As blackie says all depends on your budget/turbo spec/power aims, running low boost wont need massive upgrades, and as long as your spare engine is a half decent one shouldn't need a full on rebuild to do half decent power, main things to worry about are injectors, fuel pump, management and clutch. these are all must do jobs for running even low boost (5-6psi), but how far you go with regards to upgrading depends on the above things.
23. Silk Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2013 kent Posts: 330 vtr mk2

    #23 9th April 2013, 21:26

    ill get pics up, be easier to identify, i want it to last for bit lol, once shes running i plan to get her mapped, sort of spec pump, clutch we looking at mate?, as my mrs said to me (end of the day its still a saxo) shes right so dont want to spend a fortune, i have another toy thats begging for upgrades too lol.
24. SeniorGT L-plater Joined: Mar 2011 Rotherham Posts: 45 C2 GT Turbo

    #24 9th April 2013, 21:33

    Can pick up a CG motorsports 4 paddle for under 200, used those on cars running well over 200bhp with no issues.
25. SeniorGT L-plater Joined: Mar 2011 Rotherham Posts: 45 C2 GT Turbo

    #25 9th April 2013, 21:38

    Actually scrap that, they've changed they're staging system, stage 2 is now only 156.
    Or stage 3, 6 paddle is 246.
26. Silk Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2013 kent Posts: 330 vtr mk2

    #26 9th April 2013, 21:42

    ok mate keep eye out im just putting pics up, what one would you suggest?.
27. Silk Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2013 kent Posts: 330 vtr mk2

    #27 9th April 2013, 22:21

    injectors that came with & my turbo
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    are they upgraded injectors?
28. huggy54 Established Member Joined: Jan 2005 England Posts: 1744

    #28 10th April 2013, 16:04

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SeniorGT Can pick up a CG motorsports 4 paddle for under 200, used those on cars running well over 200bhp with no issues.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SeniorGT Actually scrap that, they've changed they're staging system, stage 2 is now only 156. Or stage 3, 6 paddle is 246.

    anyone know how the CG motorsports clucth compares to a Helix? as they seem to be much cheaper than the Helix
29. ThrushMotorsport Established Member Joined: Jan 2011 Aberdeen Posts: 1092 Turbo Saxo vtr, 2010 Octavia VRS TSI, mk3 Ibiza cu

    #29 10th April 2013, 16:13

    Injectors look like the ones off an Xsans vrs if I'm right, how's your shaft of turbo? From pic there's wear on the fins, or many just my eyes
30. Silk Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2013 kent Posts: 330 vtr mk2

    #30 10th April 2013, 17:49

    shaft seems to be ok, slight play but thats right?, your thinking there upgraded injectors mate?
31. SeniorGT L-plater Joined: Mar 2011 Rotherham Posts: 45 C2 GT Turbo

    #31 10th April 2013, 18:56

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by huggy54 anyone know how the CG motorsports clucth compares to a Helix? as they seem to be much cheaper than the Helix

    Wont take as much as the helix, but more than enough for most low budget conversions upto around 220-240bhp.
32. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #32 10th April 2013, 19:09

    The clutches aren't too bad, I got them to replate my helix, no issues
33. Silk Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2013 kent Posts: 330 vtr mk2

    #33 10th April 2013, 19:18

    blackie, can you shed any light on what i have?, thanks
34. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #34 10th April 2013, 19:20

    The injectors? You got the part number off them?
35. Silk Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2013 kent Posts: 330 vtr mk2

    #35 10th April 2013, 19:22

    both, 280150712?
36. huggy54 Established Member Joined: Jan 2005 England Posts: 1744

    #36 10th April 2013, 19:31

    To the OP sorry if it seems like a thread hijack
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SeniorGT Wont take as much as the helix, but more than enough for most low budget conversions upto around 220-240bhp.

    I'm only looking around 200bhp, definently not more.
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by blackie_2k5 The clutches aren't too bad, I got them to replate my helix, no issues

    How did you rate their service? And do you think that a paddle clutch from them (CG motorsports) is comparable to an equivalent Helix? Just from a price point of view there alot cheaper than Helix.
37. Silk Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2013 kent Posts: 330 vtr mk2

    #37 10th April 2013, 19:34

    its cool rather it got used lol, gives me info too
38. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #38 10th April 2013, 19:41

    Injectors seem to be,
    Saab yellows, 200cc/min @ 3 bar, I'd look for some bigger lol
    
    
    Huggy they weren't bad, I sent them a messed up helix plate, they blasted it and re plated it, sent it back with a new bearing, took about 3/4 days from sending to receiving,
    
    Don't quote me on it, but I'm pretty sure they use a Sachs covers, with their own paddle plate, should be good for 240/250lbft id say
    
    More then enough
39. Silk Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2013 kent Posts: 330 vtr mk2

    #39 10th April 2013, 19:44

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Saab-Bosch-2.../160988620111? better than originals shorly?, i wont be running that high?
40. huggy54 Established Member Joined: Jan 2005 England Posts: 1744

    #40 10th April 2013, 21:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by blackie_2k5 Injectors seem to be, Saab yellows, 200cc/min @ 3 bar, I'd look for some bigger lol Huggy they weren't bad, I sent them a messed up helix plate, they blasted it and re plated it, sent it back with a new bearing, took about 3/4 days from sending to receiving, Don't quote me on it, but I'm pretty sure they use a Sachs covers, with their own paddle plate, should be good for 240/250lbft id say More then enough

    Thanks Blackie, but tell me how harsh a drive is your car with the 4 paddle clutch? I live in a built up area in London, so I'm often in traffic. Ideally id like a clutch that feels as close to standard as possible but being able to take a bit of power. Interested in your thoughts?
41. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #41 11th April 2013, 19:25

    Mines unsprung so I can't compare, it's not nice to drive in traffic, but you don't really have much option if you want to go boost route, you need a clutch that'll take the torque
    
    Not sure what you're asking silk?
42. Silk Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2013 kent Posts: 330 vtr mk2

    #42 11th April 2013, 20:29

    the injectors (you suggested where saab) would be better than standards & do you know which turbo i have, thanks
43. SeniorGT L-plater Joined: Mar 2011 Rotherham Posts: 45 C2 GT Turbo

    #43 12th April 2013, 00:19

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Silk the injectors (you suggested where saab) would be better than standards & do you know which turbo i have, thanks

    They'll not be high enough flow rate, will probably be close to maxed by the time your on boost, think closer to 300cc.
    We always use the longer bosch style ones ( astra gsi ect ), needs an adapter plate to space the inlet a little though.
    Sure there's some other options like megane injectors iirc.
44. user_39461 Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.

    #44 12th April 2013, 10:09

    That turbo's fucked btw.
45. Silk Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2013 kent Posts: 330 vtr mk2

    #45 12th April 2013, 11:13

    ok thanks SeniorGT, ill have a look for some upgrades.