Broke down last night...

  1. Established Member Joined: Oct 2008 Witney Posts: 2481 Black VTS
    #1
    Alright guys,

    I broke down last night on my way home from liverpool.

    Anyway, saxo has spat spark plug number 2 out and the threads gone completely

    Anyway i need to get it into the garage, but was looking for what work would need doing and rough prices.

    Obviously all garages charge different prices, so you dont need to state that.

    Also thought about, if the price is too high, maybe completely replacing the engine or just the top end possibly? with cams maybe? ha

    any help would be appreciated!

    cheers
  2. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2010 Stourbridge Posts: 7338 Nissan 200sx S14a
    #2
    They'll just tap a new thread or maybe use a helicoil if they're an honest garage. If not they'll try to charge you for a new head amongst other things.

    Thread repair shouldn't be more than half an hours work and won't cost much at all.
  3. Established Member Joined: Oct 2008 Witney Posts: 2481 Black VTS
    #3
    Brilliant.

    I was told about the Helicoil, but wasnt sure if they needed to remove the head to stop debris getting into the cylinder.

    Thanks for the advice.
  4. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182
    #4
    see the thread I created on friday in the faults section, covers the same thing
  5. Established Member Joined: Oct 2008 Witney Posts: 2481 Black VTS
    #5
    cheers mate

    i'll have a look
  6. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2008 The wrong carpark Posts: 5152 Xantia 1.9TD
    #6
    Had my vtr helicoiled but they needed to remove the inlet to get at it, so cost me an extra few hours. At that rate its easier to geta new head
  7. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182
    #7
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by chinkostu View Post
    Had my vtr helicoiled but they needed to remove the inlet to get at it, so cost me an extra few hours. At that rate its easier to geta new head
    removing the inlet takes 10 minutes on a vtr though?
  8. Established Member Joined: Jan 2012 south essex!! Posts: 2442 posi blue vtrs race car
    #8
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gandi699 View Post
    removing the inlet takes 10 minutes on a vtr though?
    Not the later 3 plug ones it aint... and tbh you need to remove the head to helicoil it properly and swarf dropping in the bore wont do anyone any favours even thought its only ally you dont wanna take that chance... Yes theres a good chance itll just get spat put the exhaust but you wanna take that chance... also if ones gone, normally from over tightening them how far behind are the other 3? Theres a ported head in the for sale section... Might be worth buying that and putting that on... It aint a hard job todo yourself it really aint there are many guides on here to help...
  9. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2003 Scotland Posts: 3380
    #9
    what you want is a "time-sert " fitted --100% better than a helicoil
    http://www.wurth.co.uk/hand-tools1/t...ark-plug-m10x1

    my guess would be £30-£40 to get it done
    it can be done with head in place --if they sues grease on all the cutting tools then there will be very little swarf in the bore
    just crank engine over before fitting spark plug
  10. Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 751
    #10
    the issue with helicoil and time-serts is that is insulates the spark plug from the cylinder head, causing it to run hotter. Not an issue on most engines, but I recently found that this was the cause of pre-ignition on a turbo charged engine. The spark plug was getting too hot!!
  11. Established Member Joined: Sep 2011 Ebbw Vale Posts: 1180 Clio 182 Daily, 106 GTi Track Project
    #11
    Mine done the same not long back, cost me £40 for a time sert, left the head on when they done it, had no problems.
  12. Established Member Joined: Oct 2008 Witney Posts: 2481 Black VTS
    #12
    Got it done yesterday. Cars running fine now.

    Cost me £70 all in, prices for labour are expensive here!!!

    He did it with the head on, so all good. Cheers for the help guys!
  13. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2011 Doncaster Posts: 2627 Fabia VRS, mk1 fiesta + some others
    #13
    sod helicoiling it with the head still on.
    Im sure you can pick up heads pretty cheap anyway just on their own.

    Most back street garages will charge little more than £5 an hour though for labour, shop about and you will find one that does.
  14. Established Member Joined: Oct 2008 Witney Posts: 2481 Black VTS
    #14
    I can't find that head in the for sale section.

    Link?
  15. Newbie Joined: Jan 2013 Durham Posts: 15 Flat arch saxo Forte with vtr engine/box conversio
    #15
    Engineer near mine does helicoiling for around £30 not a hard or expensive job at all.
  16. Established Member Joined: Oct 2008 Witney Posts: 2481 Black VTS
    #16
    Aye, prices get cheaper the further north you go it seems.

    I live in oxfordshire now and everything is 100% more expensive! p*ss take lol

    but its sorted now and the cars running well, so im happy.
  17. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2003 Scotland Posts: 3380
    #17
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by yr51ocw View Post
    the issue with helicoil and time-serts is that is insulates the spark plug from the cylinder head, causing it to run hotter. Not an issue on most engines, but I recently found that this was the cause of pre-ignition on a turbo charged engine. The spark plug was getting too hot!!
    I dont beleive the extra 3mm of steel in a time sert would insulate the plug to any great degree
    If it did take the plug out then it was so close before it was the wrong grade anyway and as a time sert is a screwed in unit ,not just a wire like the helicoil it will transfer heat alot better than a helicoil and i have never seen a time sert come out after being fitted
    wish i could say that about helicoils
  18. Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 751
    #18
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by axsaxoman View Post
    I dont beleive the extra 3mm of steel in a time sert would insulate the plug to any great degree
    If it did take the plug out then it was so close before it was the wrong grade anyway and as a time sert is a screwed in unit ,not just a wire like the helicoil it will transfer heat alot better than a helicoil and i have never seen a time sert come out after being fitted
    wish i could say that about helicoils
    I certainly have 1st hand experience of this happening on a heli-coiled cylinder head. We have to run heat grade 10 (from production intent grade 7) plugs to alleviate the problem which disappeared as soon as the head was replaced for a non-repaired one
  19. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182
    #19
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by greyjasper51 View Post
    Not the later 3 plug ones it aint... and tbh you need to remove the head to helicoil it properly and swarf dropping in the bore wont do anyone any favours even thought its only ally you dont wanna take that chance... Yes theres a good chance itll just get spat put the exhaust but you wanna take that chance... also if ones gone, normally from over tightening them how far behind are the other 3? Theres a ported head in the for sale section... Might be worth buying that and putting that on... It aint a hard job todo yourself it really aint there are many guides on here to help...
    How does the 3 plug differ? granted the port spacings are different but it shouldnt take that long?

    I need to look into this timesert stuff for a mate with a 1.8 focus
  20. Regular Poster Joined: Jul 2012 Oxon Posts: 295 MK1 SAXO 1.1i SX-SOLD MK2 TOPAZ VTR-DEAD MK2 POSI
    #20
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Hazmanscoop View Post
    Got it done yesterday. Cars running fine now.

    Cost me £70 all in, prices for labour are expensive here!!!

    He did it with the head on, so all good. Cheers for the help guys!

    Sorry to bump an old thread but this happend to me the other night I live in Witney too can I ask which garage did the helicoil for you thanks bud