MK2 16v Saxo VTS 136 break 0-62

1. Samuel Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 510 MK2 VTS

   #1 25th April 2013, 23:53

   Any guesses on my 0-62 on my 136 break MK2 vts?
2. m4tt274 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2011 Doncaster Posts: 2627 Fabia VRS, mk1 fiesta + some others

   #2 26th April 2013, 00:07

   136 break. really
3. Samuel Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 510 MK2 VTS

   #3 26th April 2013, 00:10

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by m4tt274 136 break. really

   Yes lol not sure why people are finding this hard to belive. Need to photo the BHP where it's written in spec of car...
   
   Back to subject, guesses?
4. user_34323 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2009 ringwood Posts: 6305 suzuki swift 1.2 sz3

   #4 26th April 2013, 00:45

   12 minutes
5. Samuel Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 510 MK2 VTS

   #5 26th April 2013, 00:49

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by wadoryu 12 minutes

   Seems legit, was thinking more 5 months
6. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

   #6 26th April 2013, 01:33

   Whats it got for 136bhp? dont say induction kit and saxsport
7. rey Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Kent Posts: 8205 :(s)rac

   #7 26th April 2013, 05:36

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   Simota induction kit, ... , not sure on exhaust but big and would spit flames if straight through

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   But yeah chipped for 135bhp

   That's how.

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8. user_29491 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Lancs Posts: 4124 JP4S'd R.

   #8 26th April 2013, 08:16

   On happy rollers.. easily do-able.
   
   Full exhaust system does release some power.. but mearly regains what has been lost.
   
   Parkers says 7.6 secs standard..
   
   I've stripped everything out / put a low mile c2 vts engine in / full system inc de-cat / green cotton enclosed induction / full race engine mounts / 1.1 gearbox
   
   After this.. my car just beats a new seat cupra bocanegra to 60 everytime. And that's down on the books as 7 secs to 60.
   
   So yeah. You might of knocked half a second off like I did.. Hardly a big difference but feels much more fun to drive.

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9. Jizanthapus Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 3593

   #9 26th April 2013, 10:00

   Lol 136 break
10. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

    #10 26th April 2013, 10:24

    try it and get to 137 break(downs)
11. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

    #11 26th April 2013, 11:01

    you are such a fool if you genuinely believe your car has that much lol don't be so naieve and easily taken in
12. user_27068 Established Member Joined: Sep 2008 York Posts: 2254 Ibiza Bocanegra 1.4TSI DSG

    #12 26th April 2013, 11:09

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    Originally Posted by saxova I've stripped everything out / put a low mile c2 vts engine in / full system inc de-cat / green cotton enclosed induction / full race engine mounts / 1.1 gearbox After this.. my car just beats a new seat cupra bocanegra to 60 everytime. And that's down on the books as 7 secs to 60.

    No one likes a show off.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    (Pissed off only because i own a boc)

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13. user_57064 Established Member Joined: Jan 2012 south essex!! Posts: 2442 posi blue vtrs race car

    #13 26th April 2013, 12:00

    Easily 5 seconds 4 up... Im surprised your not racing 500hp imprezas and winning with a jap jan....
14. user_34645 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2009 Rack City, Isle of Man Posts: 4127 GS300, MK1 VTS, Katy M 1190

    #14 26th April 2013, 12:11

    Bare rapid br0
15. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

    #15 26th April 2013, 13:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Samuel Does Induction kit/Exhaust system affect BHP?

    
    I call Bullshit on everything you say.

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16. Samuel Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 510 MK2 VTS

    #16 26th April 2013, 15:17

    Well this is cute.
    
    Clearly this site isn't as much use as it once was, full of annoying trolls.
    
    Rolling road says it's 135 and that's not necessarily even with modifications... I think the mods were put on after...
    
    Keep in mind I've just bought this car so I'm going by paperwork and known mods.
    
    Bored of kids attempting to be witty trolls, not even successfully.
    
    Zzz

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17. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

    #17 26th April 2013, 15:23

    "kids" Sure.
18. DanTvts Established Member Joined: Mar 2011 Torbay Posts: 1285 Mauritius Vts, 206 Gti 180

    #18 26th April 2013, 15:33

    If it truly is 136bhp and still weighs in at standard weight i'd guess somewhere around the 7secs mark tbh.
    Who knows though really? Get it timed?

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19. jasonmayall Established Member Joined: Mar 2011 Birmingham Posts: 2148 Rover BRM, Rover 800 Coupe, Mk6 golf.

    #19 26th April 2013, 15:34

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Samuel Well this is cute. Clearly this site isn't as much use as it once was, full of annoying trolls. Rolling road says it's 135 and that's not necessarily even with modifications... I think the mods were put on after... Keep in mind I've just bought this car so I'm going by paperwork and known mods. Bored of kids attempting to be witty trolls, not even successfully. Zzz

    135bhp before mods?!
    
    Must be pushing at least 170 now then!
    
    Pwaaarrhhhh
20. Samuel Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 510 MK2 VTS

    #20 26th April 2013, 15:53

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    Originally Posted by DanTvts 135bhp before mods?! Must be pushing at least 170 now then! Pwaaarrhhhh

    I was thinking more 200hp+?
    
    Not sure though, maybe 300+?
    
    No maybe 400+
    
    What about 500+
    
    look how witty I am lulz.
21. user_46658 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2010 Little Mill, South Wales Posts: 7547 Mondeo ST TDCI Saxo VTS

    #21 26th April 2013, 16:03

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Samuel I was thinking more 200hp+? Not sure though, maybe 300+? No maybe 400+ What about 500+ look how witty I am lulz.

    Clearly you quoted the wrong post there.
    
    You are telling people on one hand that your car is 136bhp as it stands and then on the other hand asking if an exhaust and air filter will enhance this. Now it doesn't take a genius to realise that adding "performance" mods will enhance performance but to believe that your car is 136bhp as standard as you are saying is just silly.
22. Samuel Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 510 MK2 VTS

    #22 26th April 2013, 19:59

    Upoading now
23. user_29491 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Lancs Posts: 4124 JP4S'd R.

    #23 26th April 2013, 20:09

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Llardy No one likes a show off. (Pissed off only because i own a boc)

    
    Mainly because you can't rev them setting off . After 80 the boc has the edge.. Thats a standard one anyway.
    
    He's had a full system and remap now, not done a '0-60 battle' yet haha. But he pulled away alot more from rolling 2nd-3rd. Sounds epic too!
    
    
    
24. Samuel Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 510 MK2 VTS

    #24 26th April 2013, 20:12

    
    
    There you go, 135.
25. tom_vts16v Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2012 coningsby,lincs Posts: 381 2000 saxo vts

    #25 26th April 2013, 20:26

    to be fair you would have saved the comments you didnt want by going to a private road and timing yourself you might only get 8's or 9 seconds but a well seasoned race driver might get some mid 7s so if someone gave you a answer it doesnt really mean anything if you haven't got very good clutch control you can loose 2 seconds just pulling off badly and you can loose alot of time with crap gear changes so a car thats capable of 7 seconds with and average driver behind the wheel it might be 10 seconds but that's just my opinion
26. Tom5190 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 Someones Bumhole Posts: 5721 Mk2 16v Desire

    #26 26th April 2013, 21:39

    99whp dosent translate to 135hp at the fly thats why. That would mean a loss of around 30+% which is wrong. The most your looking at is around 15% which would translate to you actually having 115hp the RR figures are shit thats were your problem is.

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27. user_37187 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2009 Stranraer Posts: 3437 bodied VTR

    #27 26th April 2013, 21:50

    can you get to 60 in second?

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28. Tom5190 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 Someones Bumhole Posts: 5721 Mk2 16v Desire

    #28 26th April 2013, 21:52

    Why is there no lb/ft on that graph aswell?
29. user_57064 Established Member Joined: Jan 2012 south essex!! Posts: 2442 posi blue vtrs race car

    #29 26th April 2013, 22:15

    post up the whole graph...
    
    and the car reg on it as well...
    and a picture of your car...
30. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

    #30 26th April 2013, 22:28

    its hardly trolling lol just making you aware that it probably isn't true
31. Samuel Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 510 MK2 VTS

    #31 27th April 2013, 04:03

    Thanks all
32. jasonmayall Established Member Joined: Mar 2011 Birmingham Posts: 2148 Rover BRM, Rover 800 Coupe, Mk6 golf.

    #32 27th April 2013, 11:27

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tom5190 99whp dosent translate to 135hp at the fly thats why. That would mean a loss of around 30+% which is wrong. The most your looking at is around 15% which would translate to you actually having 115hp the RR figures are shit thats were your problem is.

    Thats what I though, Seems miles off, Unless the gearbox is ruined?
    
    I had my car on a dyna pack a couple of months ago and that made 135 ATF, come to 117 ATW.
    
    I dont understand this stuff fully, but it does seem like a huge gap there
33. Tom5190 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 Someones Bumhole Posts: 5721 Mk2 16v Desire

    #33 27th April 2013, 11:37

    Nah likely done on an inputted loss rather than a measured, which in itself dosent make an RR shit its just when an inputted loss is a stupid figure.
    
    Bottom line is you cant get a cars HP figure from a rolling road, only a WHP figure and even thats a calculation rather than a measurement. Therefore its only really worth quoting WHP figures from RR's but again you get a huge varing value for them from certain roads etc.
    
    If you want an engine power figure then it needs to go on an engine dyno. But all dynos are only really as accurate as there setup. You can manipulate dyno figures easilly. On dyno dynamics for instance a guy showed me an accurate figure from a car, had a play around with the system and got another 20hp from it.
    
    If you got 117 ATW and 135 at the fly thats pretty much bang on 15%. 15% isnt the figure for every car thats just usually a realistic figure to go from certainly for TU/MA configurations. Others maysay that even 15 is high and its more like 12%.4WD for instance its alot higher.
    
    I ran my car with a knakerd gearbox and a good gearbox the WHP was 3hp down so not alot at all.
    
    But for you 117whp/135hp sounds right. I made 126whp/151hp.
34. GTuff Established Member Joined: Apr 2007 Alderley Edge,Cheshire Posts: 1048 1.6 VT?

    #34 27th April 2013, 13:04

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DanTvts If it truly is 136bhp and still weighs in at standard weight i'd guess somewhere around the 7secs mark tbh. Who knows though really? Get it timed?

    iphone app is the best time keeper fact
35. DanTvts Established Member Joined: Mar 2011 Torbay Posts: 1285 Mauritius Vts, 206 Gti 180

    #35 27th April 2013, 20:19

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Samuel I was thinking more 200hp+? Not sure though, maybe 300+? No maybe 400+ What about 500+ look how witty I am lulz.

    Cheers for quoting me even though that wasn't my post...
    
    Anyway, clearly you're not getting very far with this so as i said before...go and get it timed if you're that bothered.
36. utothek Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2011 Peterborough Posts: 175 1.6 VTR

    #36 3rd May 2013, 12:59

    Time yourself if you're that bothered. asking for trouble IMO.