To 16v turbo furio shell or just buy a vts?

1. k2thecsaxo Established Member Joined: Jan 2007 Ringwood Posts: 2468 Amazon Green Mk2 VTR Wicked Red Furio

   #1 3rd May 2013, 18:58

   Hey just wanted to hear your opinions on this really. Its a bit of a way off yet but im wanting to build a 16v turbo as a weekend maybe track car as i have a van for daily use. I own a furio (51plate) which on the whole isnt a bad shell in all fairness to it. I wouldnt mind using this as a base but if it would make my life easier just to start with a vts? Im not looking to build this mega quickly and would like to learn and do as much as myself really.
   I cant imagine its going to be a 350bhp tarmac eater but would love around the 200bhp mark if so is this quite acheivable from a 'home built setup'? i know the professionals will be involved when it comes to mapping etc.
   Is there any advice on where to start with a project like this?
   Sorry for another turbo thread i am trying to eat my way through reading threads though.
   
   thanks for your help kc
2. Cam Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2010 Kent Posts: 8439 Gen 7 Celica 190.

   #2 3rd May 2013, 19:02

   If your happy with your shell, 16v turbo that because you can use money towards the boost instead of a new car and boost.
3. jasonmayall Established Member Joined: Mar 2011 Birmingham Posts: 2148 Rover BRM, Rover 800 Coupe, Mk6 golf.

   #3 3rd May 2013, 19:43

   I would use your current car if its in good nick, its getting more difficult to find a good VTS these days.
   
   Never built one though, but good luck
4. robster247 Established Member Joined: Feb 2011 cumbria Posts: 1239 Satin black furio

   #4 3rd May 2013, 20:47

   I'm in the middle of a 106gti turbo build, and yes you could easily see 200bhp from a charged 16v.
   
   What route are you going down regarding decopression, plate or pistons ? And what's your. Budget ?
   
   I started by removing the engine, then stripping everything down reground the valved, de-coked the head, cleaned everything and assebled with good qaulity oil, forged pistons and shot peened rods with arp bolts, new mains and big end bearings. Just need my block boring out then it will be getting built up
   
   Fitted intercooler and oil cooler all the gauges wired up to the sensors fitted walbro 255 pump.
   
   Doesn't realy matter what order you do everything in just make sure its all done to your best standards and you should be okay, my buid is everywhere at the moment so I have made a 'to do list' which is getting jobs done instead of jumping from one to the other
5. k2thecsaxo Established Member Joined: Jan 2007 Ringwood Posts: 2468 Amazon Green Mk2 VTR Wicked Red Furio

   #5 3rd May 2013, 21:24

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by robster247 I'm in the middle of a 106gti turbo build, and yes you could easily see 200bhp from a charged 16v. What route are you going down regarding decopression, plate or pistons ? And what's your. Budget ? I started by removing the engine, then stripping everything down reground the valved, de-coked the head, cleaned everything and assebled with good qaulity oil, forged pistons and shot peened rods with arp bolts, new mains and big end bearings. Just need my block boring out then it will be getting built up Fitted intercooler and oil cooler all the gauges wired up to the sensors fitted walbro 255 pump. Doesn't realy matter what order you do everything in just make sure its all done to your best standards and you should be okay, my buid is everywhere at the moment so I have made a 'to do list' which is getting jobs done instead of jumping from one to the other

   
   Your turbo build is whats got me thinking into this alot more than i had done!
   
   From my limited knowledge and research i was thinking decomp plate but am i right in thinking it wont take high boost?? will lower boost achieve 200bhp atw would you know? Budget wise i havent really got an exact figure but id say around £1500-£2000 (which i know is a drop in the ocean for a turbo build) just hoping to save a bit by learning to do things by myself.
6. robster247 Established Member Joined: Feb 2011 cumbria Posts: 1239 Satin black furio

   #6 3rd May 2013, 22:20

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by k2thecsaxo Your turbo build is whats got me thinking into this alot more than i had done! From my limited knowledge and research i was thinking decomp plate but am i right in thinking it wont take high boost?? will lower boost achieve 200bhp atw would you know? Budget wise i havent really got an exact figure but id say around £1500-£2000 (which i know is a drop in the ocean for a turbo build) just hoping to save a bit by learning to do things by myself.

   Thanks matey, yes you are correct a decomp plate will not take as much boost as a set of forged low comp pistons. I was going to run a decomp plate on my. Furio but some say that 2 head gaskets are better than the plates as they are hard to seal as you use a head gasket on one side and sealent on the other which says everything.
   
   Your budget should make a decent bit of kit but try to buy used good parts or you will go over, here's a small list
   
   Manifold
   Turbo
   Down pipe
   Intercooler
   Boost pipes
   Standalone ecu/5th injector
   Decompression
   Water feed if a water cooled turbo
   2 bar map sensor
   Gauges to keep an eye on things
   Possibly bigger injectors
   Uprated clutch
   Oil feed and return
   Dump valve
   Manual/ electronic boost controler
   Oil cooler
   2.5" exhaust
   
   I have probaly missed some stuff aswell, also if you do the work yourself you will learn a load and save a load too
7. k2thecsaxo Established Member Joined: Jan 2007 Ringwood Posts: 2468 Amazon Green Mk2 VTR Wicked Red Furio

   #7 4th May 2013, 15:53

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by robster247 Thanks matey, yes you are correct a decomp plate will not take as much boost as a set of forged low comp pistons. I was going to run a decomp plate on my. Furio but some say that 2 head gaskets are better than the plates as they are hard to seal as you use a head gasket on one side and sealent on the other which says everything. Your budget should make a decent bit of kit but try to buy used good parts or you will go over, here's a small list Manifold Turbo Down pipe Intercooler Boost pipes Standalone ecu/5th injector Decompression Water feed if a water cooled turbo 2 bar map sensor Gauges to keep an eye on things Possibly bigger injectors Uprated clutch Oil feed and return Dump valve Manual/ electronic boost controler Oil cooler 2.5" exhaust I have probaly missed some stuff aswell, also if you do the work yourself you will learn a load and save a load too

   Thanks for your reply mate i will have to keep searching the net for bargains
   
   Hopefully i should be able to get some money back on this i strip out like engine,exhaust,interior etc
   
   Have you done all your work bar the block boring? sorry for the questions
   kc
8. ThrushMotorsport Established Member Joined: Jan 2011 Aberdeen Posts: 1092 Turbo Saxo vtr, 2010 Octavia VRS TSI, mk3 Ibiza cu

   #8 4th May 2013, 18:31

   These clutches on ebay that say they are stage 1, 2, 3 etc - don't buy them, price may be cheap but there rated to bhp, it should be rated to torque, as bhp isn't what makes a clutch slip
   
   My setup was cheap, but chearful for anyone wanting to get in the boosted game:
   
   Milltek mani & downpipe - £300
   Gt17 turbo - 120
   Boost pipes - £60
   Intercooler - £free as I have tons of that shit here
   Silicon pieces - free
   Dump valve t piece - 10 (however I was gona run without as I like flutter)
   Manual boost controller - 10
   Megane 225 injectors - 65
   Pred ecu - 550
   3.5 or a 4 bar fpr - free (find one in a scrappys and pocket it)
   Oil return boss - 10
   Oil feed - 80
   Water feed/return - 30
   1.9mm headgasket and headbolts - 70?
   
   That's the jist, I had a good clutch allready but this was about rough price of my setup
   
   Cheap, and pretty chearful
9. k2thecsaxo Established Member Joined: Jan 2007 Ringwood Posts: 2468 Amazon Green Mk2 VTR Wicked Red Furio

   #9 4th May 2013, 21:42

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by ThrushMotorsport These clutches on ebay that say they are stage 1, 2, 3 etc - don't buy them, price may be cheap but there rated to bhp, it should be rated to torque, as bhp isn't what makes a clutch slip My setup was cheap, but chearful for anyone wanting to get in the boosted game: Milltek mani & downpipe - £300 Gt17 turbo - 120 Boost pipes - £60 Intercooler - £free as I have tons of that shit here Silicon pieces - free Dump valve t piece - 10 (however I was gona run without as I like flutter) Manual boost controller - 10 Megane 225 injectors - 65 Pred ecu - 550 3.5 or a 4 bar fpr - free (find one in a scrappys and pocket it) Oil return boss - 10 Oil feed - 80 Water feed/return - 30 1.9mm headgasket and headbolts - 70? That's the jist, I had a good clutch allready but this was about rough price of my setup Cheap, and pretty chearful

   Thanks for your input mate all info is much appreciated
10. robster247 Established Member Joined: Feb 2011 cumbria Posts: 1239 Satin black furio

    #10 4th May 2013, 22:55

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by k2thecsaxo Thanks for your reply mate i will have to keep searching the net for bargains Hopefully i should be able to get some money back on this i strip out like engine,exhaust,interior etc Have you done all your work bar the block boring? sorry for the questions kc

    Haha no worries like to be of help,
    
    And yes have done all the work myself and will be only getting the mapping and boring out done by a proffesional