Important! : VTS Aux air pump woes?

  1. Newbie Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 12
    #1
    I wondered if any of you guys may be able to help. I have an 03 plate VTS, and recently it has started making an unusual noise. The aux air pump emits a pretty loud whine on startup, which soon goes away, but then when idling there is a kind of glugging noise coming from the hose which runs along the top of the rad? It does it whether the pump is connected or not. Any ideas whether to sack off the whole system, and what plug is required to fill the hole in the manifold, or of any other solutions to the problem?

    Thanks in advance,

    Will
  2. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5
    #2
    There is hole in the manifold for it. Theres 2 little bolts holding it to the head and 2 for the side for the metal pipe.
  3. Newbie Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 12
    #3
    Should I just remove the whole lot then? Or replace with similar from a scrappy?

    Cheers,

    Will
  4. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.
    #4
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kaiserwill View Post
    Should I just remove the whole lot then? Or replace with similar from a scrappy?

    Cheers,

    Will
    Remove & blank off the hole,it does sweet fa anyway.
  5. Newbie Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 12
    #5
    Right, so block the pipe, and remove the rest, and block the hole in the mani too. Do they need to be tough or aren't they under much pressure? Sorry for all the questions, I just don't wanna mess it up.

    Cheers,

    Will
  6. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge
    #6
    air pump doesn't make glugging noises. It's like a hairdryer, it helps burn excess fuel when it's cold to heat the cat up faster, which also prevents raw fuel touching the cat and makes it last longer in theory.

    As soon as the pump is off, the pipes make no noise.

    Not likely any part of the air pump system is making the noise at idle. If you remove it, the EML will be permanently lit as well - which MOT man will not like.
  7. Newbie Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 12
    #7
    Any ideas on what the noise may be? It's every couple of seconds, and definitely sounds like it's from that area? Air lock in the rad/hosing maybe?

    Will
  8. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge
    #8
    Yes it could be an air lock.

    There's a guide for the correct bleeding procedure lurking on the site

    I'm sure the air pump hose runs down the side of the rad, under the slam panel then up into the passenger arch where the pump is.
  9. Newbie Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 12
    #9
    Right ok no worries, I've found the guide for rad fitting and bleeding, and I've got a new rad to go in too as the fix in the old one are damaged. I'll fit that and see how it goes, thank you for all the help/opinions/advice from everyone!

    Cheers again,

    Will
  10. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS
    #10
    To rule out the fresh air pump, you could just unplug the power to it - the pump sits just in front of the front N/S arch liner.
  11. Newbie Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 12
    #11
    Yeah I have done that, and the noise was still there. Answers that then, it must be the water system. New rad and bleed it is then!

    Will
  12. Newbie Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 12
    #12
    Yeah I have done that, and the noise was still there. Answers that then, it must be the water system. New rad and bleed it is then!

    Will
  13. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge
    #13
    Let us know how you get on mind!
  14. Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2012 canterbury Posts: 586 3/4 vtr turbo
    #14
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MartinObviously View Post
    If you remove it, the EML will be permanently lit as well - which MOT man will not like.
    Why wont the MoT man like it? tis only an advisory
  15. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge
    #15
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by vtr91 View Post
    Why wont the MoT man like it? tis only an advisory
    lit EML's don't look good. It makes people think your car is neglected.

    Saxo's are neglected enough.
  16. Newbie Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 12
    #16
    Right so the new radiator is fitted, and seems it have solved the noise! However, a new query, whilst following the guide on here for bleeding, my bleed points appear to be reversed? (Top valve cap one first, then Allen key, and finally the rad one). Does anyone know if this is problematic? It seems to work ok, though does get hot quite quickly?

    Cheers,

    Will
  17. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5
    #17
    How are they reversed?
  18. Newbie Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 12
    #18
    Apparently you are supposed to get fluid from the rad one first, and then from the middle one, then the top one? Or doesn't it matter? Apologies if I'm bring ridiculous haha.

    Will
  19. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182
    #19
    Use the header tank method to bleed it
  20. Newbie Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 12
    #20
    I did :/. Attached an upside down bottle, taped it perfectly, no leaks :/. Filled from that, or am I doing something wrong?

    Cheers,

    Will
  21. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2002 United Kingdom Posts: 8390
    #21
    Did you run it with the bottle attached?
  22. Newbie Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 12
    #22
    I did yes... Or do you take it off and put the rad cap on?

    Will