Torsion bars

1. gavin_d L-plater Joined: Oct 2013 Lincoln Posts: 34 Vauxhall Zafira and vtr race car

   #1 27th October 2013, 19:05

   Hi guys, could anybody shed any light on what torsion bar set up you use, size and make.
   
   Many thanks
2. user_4681 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2004 Grimsby United Kingdom (England) Posts: 5489 SUPERCHARGED saxo vts

   #2 27th October 2013, 19:42

   23mm performance torsion.
3. gavin_d L-plater Joined: Oct 2013 Lincoln Posts: 34 Vauxhall Zafira and vtr race car

   #3 27th October 2013, 19:53

   Sweet thanks, one more little question how can you tell the mk1 and mk2 blocks apart ive done a search but cant find much, i can tell the heads apart. Thanks
4. user_4681 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2004 Grimsby United Kingdom (England) Posts: 5489 SUPERCHARGED saxo vts

   #4 27th October 2013, 20:12

   There is (know im going to be corrected here lol) 3 type vtr engine
   
   Early single plug ecu black top vtr 90bhp
   
   99 year vtr single plug ecu silver top 90bhp both these have metal spin on oil filters.
   
   2000+ vtr 3plug ecu silver top 98bhp.... this one has a plastic oil filter relocated near thermostat.
5. gavin_d L-plater Joined: Oct 2013 Lincoln Posts: 34 Vauxhall Zafira and vtr race car

   #5 27th October 2013, 20:24

   hmmm i need to find a mk1 head and mk2 bottom end. Thanks for the info been great help.
6. gavin_d L-plater Joined: Oct 2013 Lincoln Posts: 34 Vauxhall Zafira and vtr race car

   #6 27th October 2013, 20:26

   Oh i was going to come and see you at cadwell today but forgot i was going to be painting the workshop floor lol. Only took all weekend like. How did you get on.
7. user_4681 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2004 Grimsby United Kingdom (England) Posts: 5489 SUPERCHARGED saxo vts

   #7 27th October 2013, 20:30

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by gavin_d Oh i was going to come and see you at cadwell today but forgot i was going to be painting the workshop floor lol. Only took all weekend like. How did you get on.

   Cough* got about 10 laps... see my blog.
   
   I have a spare mk2 vtr engine for sale pm me.
8. jpsaxo Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast

   #8 29th October 2013, 11:44

   I use 22mm bars
9. Jimmy-Boy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2006 Suffolk Posts: 7551 N/A 200bhp+ per ton 106 gti

   #9 30th October 2013, 18:42

   same as me 22mm bars.
10. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #10 30th October 2013, 18:46

    Torsion bars relate to your front spring rate to balance the car front to rear
    
    I run 23mm bars but untill we know your front setup we cant advise what you should get
11. Dave_P Established Member Joined: Dec 2010 Aberdeen Posts: 2129 Race: 106 Rallye 16v. Road: Mercedes Vito 120 CDI

    #11 30th October 2013, 18:52

    Just buy 23's, they're still soft but hey ho.

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12. slammed106 Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 291

    #12 31st October 2013, 10:43

    Save a bit more money and get the satchell rear setup imo..

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13. Dave_P Established Member Joined: Dec 2010 Aberdeen Posts: 2129 Race: 106 Rallye 16v. Road: Mercedes Vito 120 CDI

    #13 31st October 2013, 13:11

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by slammed106 Save alot more money and get the satchell rear setup imo..

    That's more like it.
14. gavin_d L-plater Joined: Oct 2013 Lincoln Posts: 34 Vauxhall Zafira and vtr race car

    #14 3rd November 2013, 18:43

    Hi guys thanks for all the advice. I will be having the standard front shocks re done by GAZ suspension with i think 300lb rated front springs with rear gaz shocks. This is for the 750mc stock hatch.
    
    Would i be looking at 23mm rear bars for this set up.
    
    Thanks guys!!!
15. user_4681 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2004 Grimsby United Kingdom (England) Posts: 5489 SUPERCHARGED saxo vts

    #15 3rd November 2013, 19:48

    Interesting to hear gaz will rebuild your old standard shocks. Will they be made adjustable like their own or just matche to springs.?
    
    I am 300lbs fronts and 23mm rear bars
    
    No front arb.
    
    Was previously 24mm rear arb but recently tryed a 22 rear but didnt get enough track time to make a judgement.
16. gavin_d L-plater Joined: Oct 2013 Lincoln Posts: 34 Vauxhall Zafira and vtr race car

    #16 3rd November 2013, 21:44

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sexy_gt Interesting to hear gaz will rebuild your old standard shocks. Will they be made adjustable like their own or just matche to springs.? I am 300lbs fronts and 23mm rear bars No front arb. Was previously 24mm rear arb but recently tryed a 22 rear but didnt get enough track time to make a judgement.

    Yea you have too for the regulations as they have to be of a standard set up, they redo them with adjustable damping rates and 1 degree of camber. You are not aloud to have adjustable ride height. Ive rang GAZ and they said thats what they do for all the 750mc stock hatch cars (the ones that use GAZ) Also you have to keep the anti roll bar standard and connected.

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17. Dave_P Established Member Joined: Dec 2010 Aberdeen Posts: 2129 Race: 106 Rallye 16v. Road: Mercedes Vito 120 CDI

    #17 4th November 2013, 10:13

    I'd also recommend a smaller quiksilver front ARB, I tried it with no ARB but it lifted the inside rear wheel miles off the ground... And that was with 350lb front springs.
18. user_4681 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2004 Grimsby United Kingdom (England) Posts: 5489 SUPERCHARGED saxo vts

    #18 4th November 2013, 13:18

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dave_P I'd also recommend a smaller quiksilver front ARB, I tried it with no ARB but it lifted the inside rear wheel miles off the ground... And that was with 350lb front springs.

    Yep hence im trying a rear 22 rather than 24. Felt good but never had chance to have a real push
19. gavin_d L-plater Joined: Oct 2013 Lincoln Posts: 34 Vauxhall Zafira and vtr race car

    #19 4th November 2013, 20:00

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dave_P I'd also recommend a smaller quiksilver front ARB, I tried it with no ARB but it lifted the inside rear wheel miles off the ground... And that was with 350lb front springs.

    I have to keep it standard for the stock hatch
    
    Love your 106 looks ACE
20. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #20 6th November 2013, 17:53

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sexy_gt Interesting to hear gaz will rebuild your old standard shocks

    having previously fitted a set of the gaz stock hatch they arent actually OE dampers
    they are OE legs and the dampers are made into them as one piece and the hubs modded for camber
    
    the regs say the standard spring pans need to be retained

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21. user_54826 Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2011 Patras Greece Posts: 352 Ford Focus 2.5 ST Citroen Saxo Vts 16v race car

    #21 6th November 2013, 19:15

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dave_P I'd also recommend a smaller quiksilver front ARB, I tried it with no ARB but it lifted the inside rear wheel miles off the ground... And that was with 350lb front springs.

    Went for 23mm too , already have the 350' up front not as hard as i expected but i was told to keep with standard arbs front and rear.... Still not tested yet thought