Do I need a remap?

  1. Established Member Joined: Jun 2013 York Posts: 2134 Citroen Saxo VTR (2001)
    #1
    If I get cams for my Saxo VTR, will I NEED a remap or does a remap just help get the most out of the cams? Can I buy some cams and just stick them in and carry on?
    Any advice on cams would be greatly appreciated too
  2. Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2012 hemel Hempstead Posts: 413 l200 worrior saxo vtr stock hatch Seat leon 20v
    #2
    you will be a very skikl full engineer to get cam"s" in.to your vtr
  3. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2011 huddersfield Posts: 2635 ph3'd c2 gt
    #3
    If you weld and extra 8 valves on top of the rocker cover it should be doable!
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  4. Established Member Joined: Mar 2011 Birmingham Posts: 2148 Rover BRM, Rover 800 Coupe, Mk6 golf.
    #4
    Get it mapped, it's pointless cramming your car without.
    Yes, you'll see some benefits without.
    But you'll lose drivability and why not get it set up properly??
  5. Established Member Joined: Jun 2013 York Posts: 2134 Citroen Saxo VTR (2001)
    #5
    Technically cams is the correct term as there are 8 cams on one camshaft...
    Also I'm just wondering, as money is tight but just wondering whether I'd be able to change the cams in it but a remap would be a good few hundred on top I guess


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  6. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2003 United Kingdom (England) Posts: 7064
    #6
    It depends how wild the cam is!

    Unmapped you may get a rough idle, and yes to get the best you need a remap!
  7. Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2012 hemel Hempstead Posts: 413 l200 worrior saxo vtr stock hatch Seat leon 20v
    #7
    technicly they are called cam lobes. . and you change the shaft not a single cam.
  8. Established Member Joined: Jun 2013 York Posts: 2134 Citroen Saxo VTR (2001)
    #8
    Ok cheers


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  9. Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.
    #9
    On its own, a cam in a Vtr is a lot of work for little effort tbh. If it's more power you're after (and I hate to bang this drum again) then for the price of a new cam you can get a 16v engine - then you're onto a winner.
  10. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 Lincoln/Newark Posts: 2673 Mercedes C220, Scooby, Saxo VTS
    #10
    I ran my VTR with newmans ph3 unmapped and it was fine

    noticed a big difference past 4.5k rpm, pulled hard round to 6k rpm

    a map will get the best out of the work you have done so it is recommended
  11. Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.
    #11
    What's a ph3 give? Circa 8bhp?
  12. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 452
    #12
    I really can't believe how petty everyone is getting because someone who maybe isn't all that clued up about engines said cams and not cam! Basically mate from what i understand you can run a relitavely high lift cam unmapped, you just won't get the best out of it, so you'll be better off saving and getting the cam fitted and mapped all in one hit
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  13. Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 killin,perthshire Posts: 1561 Audi a3 1.8sport,kawasaki zx9r c2,Yamaha R1 track
    #13
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by manic View Post
    technicly they are called cam lobes. . and you change the shaft not a single cam.

    Well if your wanting to be pernickety,its CAMSHAFT and not shaft
  14. Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 killin,perthshire Posts: 1561 Audi a3 1.8sport,kawasaki zx9r c2,Yamaha R1 track
    #14
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hazlo View Post
    I really can't believe how petty everyone is getting because someone who maybe isn't all that clued up about engines said cams and not cam! Basically mate from what i understand you can run a relitavely high lift cam unmapped, you just won't get the best out of it, so you'll be better off saving and getting the cam fitted and mapped all in one hit

    Its rife on here mate,makes me laugh.
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  15. Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 175
    #15
    You do not need a remap, my vtr single plug ecu adapted pretty well, running the piper ultimate road cam, on dyno before and after map was 1 hp diffrence over the rev range, crisper throttle and better afr , but was nothing wrong without the map, I have done it personally myself, it's not hard and is a good learning experience. My car made 119hp on a shy dyno, same dyno my st225 made only 286hp when should pull 300.
  16. Established Member Joined: Jan 2012 south essex!! Posts: 2442 posi blue vtrs race car
    #16
    do you need one: no
    will you gain even more with one: yes
    is it worth the money: that ones down to you

    if your thinking of itb's and other mods then probably not just wait until your happy then get it mapped
  17. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182
    #17
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by henryvtr View Post
    You do not need a remap, my vtr single plug ecu adapted pretty well, running the piper ultimate road cam, on dyno before and after map was 1 hp diffrence over the rev range, crisper throttle and better afr , but was nothing wrong without the map, I have done it personally myself, it's not hard and is a good learning experience. My car made 119hp on a shy dyno, same dyno my st225 made only 286hp when should pull 300.

    That's good with a 6250 rpm limit (before the remap). I'd be happy with that from a vtr, does it idle lumpy? Mine does

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