1.1 cam question (I know it's just a 1.1)

4th September 2014, 01:49

Right seen as though my 1.1 is proving to be so much fun after putting the old thing on a diet, I want to make it a little more fun!
I have been looking into certain tweaks that will make the engine a little more revvy but don't want to spend big money on the grounds that it is only a 1.1 and not a jet fighter. It got me thinking about the camshaft ... essentially the VTR silver top cam should fit in there with the standard gear i.e rockers and springs, but couple this with a good head skim is the profile going to be too aggressive resulting in piston/valve contact???

I don't care for people telling me that it's a 1.1 and not worth it as for now it is only weighing in at 800kg with 1/4 tank of fuel (not bad for a 5dr). A TU5 JP4 out of a friends C2 VTR is supposed to be up for grabs in the spring and I am considering that. But for now the 1.1 is great and does have some tuning potential for little cash outlay!

Any advice appreciated on this as I don't seem to be able to find the answer (maybe too lazy lol) cheers in advance

4th September 2014, 02:34

Are you a distant relative of Chompy?!

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4th September 2014, 06:33

1.1 - not worth it.

4th September 2014, 07:12

It would be cheaper, quicker and you would get better gains from just droping a VTR engine in, or even a VTS engine.

4th September 2014, 07:18

These can give bloomin good power outputs, and they are very light.

have seen about 100 - 110 bhp at the wheels in a grasstrack racer which was on a very long satchell inlet designed by Sandy brown.

4th September 2014, 08:34

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Originally Posted by jbrady72

Are you a distant relative of Chompy?!

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no

4th September 2014, 09:01

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Originally Posted by jbrady72

Are you a distant relative of Chompy?!

Not as far as I know

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Originally Posted by Jizanthapus

1.1 - not worth it.

Read the original post properly please before making a dumb comment , I'm guessing you are a "mod it by numbers" kinda guy that lacks the capacity (mentally or otherwise) to read a post correctly?

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Originally Posted by Jigs2895

It would be cheaper, quicker and you would get better gains from just droping a VTR engine in, or even a VTS engine.

Please get me an engine, gearbox and all the man hours to put one of those units in for the price of a "used" standard VTR cam ... I would be a very happy person

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Originally Posted by welshpug

These can give bloomin good power outputs, and they are very light.

have seen about 100 - 110 bhp at the wheels in a grasstrack racer which was on a very long satchell inlet designed by Sandy brown.

Exactly my point and 100Bhp - 110Bhp at 800kg makes 125 to 138Bhp per ton, That has the potential to keep pace with a VTS as they only produce around 128Bhp per ton (or there abouts) in totally standard form!

So you see, Just because I want to tune up my 1.1 a little doesn't mean that I "want" a bigger engine! I want to be a little different for a while while the cash is tight.... And besides it's funny when the noob in his VTR that has a huge back box on it (for no reason) can't keep up, then later finds out it's a 1.1! you end up not being the most popular person as they don't realise the 1.1 is only 2 seconds or so slower to 60 standard anyway and that's before you lose weight out of it!
These 1.1's are getting shunned off for any kind of tuning possibility just because they are apparently "untunable" ! It's an engine .... Of course you can tune it, Just how much by and how much power you can get is the main question!

Also no-one has answered my question yet so I may just go and do it anyway and see what it does

4th September 2014, 09:07

This has been covered so many times. Yes you could make a 1.1 as fast as a 1.6 but for the cost/hassle you might aswell just buy the real thing. Its not as if they're expensive!

Also, who cares if they think its a 1.1 then get overtaken by you? They aren't just going to get out and start flicking your bean...

4th September 2014, 09:11

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Originally Posted by chompy_snake

Not as far as I know

Read the original post properly please before making an excellent comment , I'm guessing you are a "mod it by dick size" kinda guy that lacks the dildos (vibrators or otherwise) to sit on a Lamp post

Hahaha Jizzypants got sat down, obviously this kid knows what he's talking about and you Jizzypants, well you're just an idiot!

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4th September 2014, 09:24

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Originally Posted by jbrady72

Hahaha Jizzypants got sat down, obviously this kid knows what he's talking about and you Jizzypants, well you're just an idiot!

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Got fucking own3d m8.

Well, I will do when I get overtaken by a 1.1!!

4th September 2014, 09:24

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Originally Posted by Jizanthapus

This has been covered so many times. Yes you could make a 1.1 as fast as a 1.6 but for the cost/hassle you might aswell just buy the real thing. Its not as if they're expensive!

Also, who cares if they think its a 1.1 then get overtaken by you? They aren't just going to get out and start flicking your bean...

Well you might (I am worried about that), and most people ask me about the car as it is now because they notice that it's a lot quicker than it should be for a 5dr and it looks a mess due to all the things that have been removed and not finished off yet! surprises plenty when I tell them it's a 1.1

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Originally Posted by jbrady72

Hahaha Jizzypants got sat down, obviously this kid knows what he's talking about and you Jizzypants, well you're just an idiot!

You made me nearly fall off my chair with your adaptation of my post .... Put a smile on my face for the rest of the day that has

4th September 2014, 09:34

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Originally Posted by chompy_snake

Well you might (I am worried about that), and most people ask me about the car as it is now because they notice that it's a lot quicker than it should be for a 5dr and it looks a mess due to all the things that have been removed and not finished off yet! surprises plenty when I tell them it's a 1.1

I don't even know what to say. Obviously, "most people" must have no idea what fast is.

Are you 17?

4th September 2014, 09:53

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Originally Posted by Jizanthapus

I don't even know what to say. Obviously, "most people" must have no idea what fast is.

Are you 17?

Fucking hell, stop hitting on the OP!

4th September 2014, 09:59

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Originally Posted by Jizanthapus

I don't even know what to say. Obviously, "most people" must have no idea what fast is.

Are you 17?

At no point have I or anyone else said that this car is "Fast", Quick or nippy is how I would best describe it! Yes I know what fast is when I passed my driving test I had the joy of driving my dads Lexus LS400 (that's a 4.0 V8 if you didn't know with a limited top speed of 150 mph and gets to 60mph in a shade over 7 seconds) that's allot faster than whatever you drive I'm sure. I even still get to drive his series 2 LS400 now but it's boring and doesn't like corners too much .... I'm actually 30 not 17 (hence why my car has no body kit)!

I know someone with a 106 quicksilver that has a GTi conversion did the pod in 12.2 apparently ... that's "Fast" off the line but has 0 top end

What exactly gets you so upset about me getting as much out of my Saxo's 1.1 engine as I can? Is it the fact that it's different or is it the fact that you're just a troll and like to get attention? .... this is really getting embarrassing now

I only simply asked for a little advice re my camshaft, I'm having a little fun with my car (you remember fun don't you? or don't you have enough pubes for that yet?) if the whole thing upsets you so much then don't read it and don't comment on a subject you know nothing about lol

And "most people" is a phrase and sums up the people that ask me about the car (more than 10) Does that clear things up a little for you or is your penis still too small for you to understand?

4th September 2014, 10:00

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Originally Posted by Brettles1986

Fucking hell, stop hitting on the OP!

It's O.k ... I'm a big boy and can defend myself quite well against people with obvious penile disfunction

4th September 2014, 10:06

Is your one point one a single or multi point engine??

If not sure post up a pic!!

4th September 2014, 10:13

Mpi engine otherwise I wouldn't even bother with it lol so fairly similar to the 1.4/1.6 inside the top end I think

4th September 2014, 10:18

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Originally Posted by chompy_snake

At no point have I or anyone else said that this car is "Fast", Quick or nippy is how I would best describe it! Yes I know what fast is when I passed my driving test I had the joy of driving my dads Lexus LS400 (that's a 4.0 V8 if you didn't know with a limited top speed of 150 mph and gets to 60mph in a shade over 7 seconds) that's allot faster than whatever you drive I'm sure. I even still get to drive his series 2 LS400 now but it's boring and doesn't like corners too much .... I'm actually 30 not 17 (hence why my car has no body kit)!

I know someone with a 106 quicksilver that has a GTi conversion did the pod in 12.2 apparently ... that's "Fast" off the line but has 0 top end

What exactly gets you so upset about me getting as much out of my Saxo's 1.1 engine as I can? Is it the fact that it's different or is it the fact that you're just a troll and like to get attention? .... this is really getting embarrassing now

I only simply asked for a little advice re my camshaft, I'm having a little fun with my car (you remember fun don't you? or don't you have enough pubes for that yet?) if the whole thing upsets you so much then don't read it and don't comment on a subject you know nothing about lol

And "most people" is a phrase and sums up the people that ask me about the car (more than 10) Does that clear things up a little for you or is your penis still too small for you to understand?

I think you should just take ownership of this forum.
You obviously know much better than every idiot on here....
Also can I ask, if you're 30, why do you still have a 1.1 saxo? Your life hasn't turned out quite as well as your dad's then

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4th September 2014, 10:49

I just really like Saxo's .. this is my second one (first one met death by pothole 2 years ago), My first was something someone else built out of a Furio and thought it would be a good idea to put a VTR in it. This one was really local, like over the road from my house. I payed £250 for it and felt sorry for it! I like my cheap insurance (I only passed january 2012) and yes my insurance is still a little high as I kept changing my car every 5 weeks when I started out (not through any accidents though) and I haven't got any NCB until June 2015 now £745 per year is the price I have to pay which takes the biscuit to be fair!

I bought the 1.1 as a stopgap and wasn't going to do anything to it ... buut then I got carried away and I do actually really like it as a 1.1.

My dad just gets lucky with his cars, no one wants a big thirsty V8 so they are cheap lol .... I fully intend on spending as little as possible on my engine to get the best performance out of it before I change an engine or anything! What ever happened to working with what you have and making the best out of it??? I see throwing in another engine as cheating tbh, then there's the matter of engineers reports and informing your insurance and all the other implications that come with it!

And I can't quite get this mentality of "why don't you just buy the 1.6" or whatever other excuse ... You just put a VTS or C2 or GTi engine in your 1.4 ... why don't you just buy one of those to start with??? lol

I guess the top and bottom of it is this, It's a fun project that makes me happy and puts a smile on my face each and every time I drive it ... everything I have done so far has improved the car a little bit (except my emergency exhaust back box I made). And in my eyes, if you can't have a bit of fun modifying your car for personal enjoyment ... then why bother with it at all in the first place?

4th September 2014, 11:07

How about a constructive post?

Do you want to keep the head the same? If so, you're going to need either a custom regrind of a cam or find one that will not give too much lift to cause valve on piston sex.

If you want to change it, you need to look at 1.4 XSI or 1.3 Rallye heads. I think they would match up on oil chambers etc. But double check that.
Change the inlet, run a 1.3 rallye inlet. Or go all out and get bodies.

Look at head work, see if you can increase the exhaust port sizes and look at having the inlet ports made more efficient. With the inlet side, you can't just remove material, they have to be properly flowed.

get a 4-2-1 or a 4-1 manifold. Whichever fits the bill with how you want it to respond.

Or go for a turbo build, it's been done before!

Whatever you do, to get the most out of it you will require a remap. Which would be in your best interest to get a standalone ECU.

Whatever way you do it, it's not going to be cheap. But is certainly do-able.

4th September 2014, 11:08

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Originally Posted by jbrady72

I think you should just take ownership of this forum.
You obviously know much better than every idiot on here....
Also can I ask, if you're 30, why do you still have a 1.1 saxo? Your life hasn't turned out quite as well as your dad's then

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STFU. N00b

4th September 2014, 11:27

wouldnt even waste the time trying to fit a VTR silver top head or camshaft. Get a rallye or xsi head an go from there, its the best starting place for an 8v if you ask me. Most of what you can do has been covered in previous posts but after you've done the "standard" modifications that everyone does (breathing setup, exhaust etc) then its going to get expensive in regards to altering management, maps, bodies and so on. That said once all that is purchased you'll be able to use most of it on a 16v motor should you go that way other than bodies any way.
You'd be better of working on some sort of forced induction setup if you ask me, its very a popular thing to do these days and providing youve got some fabrication skills yourself its something you can attempt quite easily.

4th September 2014, 11:42

I had considered fitting a turbo ... but then I decided a compression ration of around 11:1 / 11.5:1 would be more effective, couple this with a gas flowed, ported matched, polished head a powerbox type inlet mani or VTR mani for inlet and a 4-1 zorst mani would be feasible to hit 100Bhp

Just not sure if the VTR cam fits the head to get started, this was the original Q

Thanks for the constructive posts though!

4th September 2014, 12:04

I have a strange feeling the VTR cams will not fit in the head. Don't take that as gospel though.

4th September 2014, 12:05

it'll depend on the bearing size of the cam and there is at least 3 sizes that I know of iirc

4th September 2014, 12:51

I'm guessing then that the cam bearings are not interchangeable then?? stupid question I know but it's always worth asking

4th September 2014, 12:54

Why don't you get your dad to tow you in his almighty Lexus? That should do the trick.

4th September 2014, 13:01

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Originally Posted by chompy_snake

Read the original post properly please before making a dumb comment , I'm guessing you are a "mod it by numbers" kinda guy that lacks the capacity (mentally or otherwise) to read a post correctly?

Fuck me, you'll fit in well here.

PS - your dad's lexus is slow

4th September 2014, 13:16

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Originally Posted by Ross

Fuck me, you'll fit in well here.

PS - your dad's lexus is slow

lol

Well finally got an answer to my question ... at last!

The reason I was confused as to bearing sizes is because they are not bearings as such, It's the journal sizes on the cam that cause the issue (sort of a bearing)!
Chances are that the VTR standard cam has journals that are way too large, But .... Spoke to Piper cams in Kent not 5 minutes ago and they are extremely helpful

They will (if I send them my cam), find a camshaft that has the profile that I need ... If they can't find a suitable cam in stock, they wil machine me one with appropriate profile to fit my engine!! The cost of this is only £213 +VAT which is cheaper than a stock cam direct from citroen which is £250 +VAT

4th September 2014, 13:24

whereas you can, as you know, buy and fit a 16v lump for less

4th September 2014, 13:37

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Originally Posted by Ross

whereas you can, as you know, buy and fit a 16v lump for less

But where would the fun be in that though? lol

I would rather spend £600 to make a very nippy 1.1 than spend £600 and have an average 16valve conversion ... call me crazy but that's just me

4th September 2014, 13:38

You're mental.

4th September 2014, 13:39

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Originally Posted by chompy_snake

I'm guessing then that the cam bearings are not interchangeable then?? stupid question I know but it's always worth asking

by bearing I mean its actually part of the head casting so its nothing you can change realistically.
16v wont cost 600 quid by the way, I put mine in for under £200

4th September 2014, 13:42

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Originally Posted by chompy

You're mental.

agreed, I really am ... this is what I do if I think i'm getting too normal --->

And if you want a 16valve conversion to be fast it's £600 all in, mapping work is pricey lol but Kudos for getting it done for less than £200

4th September 2014, 13:47

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Originally Posted by chompy_snake

agreed, I really am ... this is what I do if I think i'm getting too normal --->

And if you want a 16valve conversion to be fast it's £600 all in, mapping work is pricey lol but Kudos for getting it done for less than £200

You'd get a J4 lump for £100, an engine loom and ECU for £50, new engine mount, odd and sods, call it £50, 4 branch manifold for £80-100, filter for £20, and for £300 ish and arguably less work than modifying the 1.1, you've got a setup that'll shit on a tuned 1.1, sound better, and isn't embarrassing when you lift the bonnet

No mapping required. Exhaust and filter gives 130bhp, cams call it 140-145, and upwards from there

4th September 2014, 13:57

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Originally Posted by chompy_snake

agreed, I really am ... this is what I do if I think i'm getting too normal --->

And if you want a 16valve conversion to be fast it's £600 all in, mapping work is pricey lol but Kudos for getting it done for less than £200

I think I like you, bum pals?

4th September 2014, 14:55

Its nice to see someone tuning a low spec 8v, I had a 1600 rallye unit in mine for a while and as good as it was you do run into a bit of a plateau when it comes to mods once the simple stuff is done. Youve got the usual mods but then it goes up by a rather a lot should you want to say get more than say 120 bhp (and I mean a proper figure there not quote me happy results) from a 1600 so a 1.1 is going to be even more so.
Look forward to seeing what you can achieve though.
In my view you'd be best off buying a different head altogether for this 1.1 and starting from there with something that is going to flow half decently. You'll probably save money doing it that way and having something more impressive to begin with

4th September 2014, 14:59

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Originally Posted by chompy

You're mental.

He'll fit in well on here then.

4th September 2014, 17:28

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Originally Posted by chompy

I think I like you, bum pals?

Not really won me over with that one .... not even bought me a drink, besides I don't think the missus would be impressed lol

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Originally Posted by Gandi699

Its nice to see someone tuning a low spec 8v, I had a 1600 rallye unit in mine for a while and as good as it was you do run into a bit of a plateau when it comes to mods once the simple stuff is done. Youve got the usual mods but then it goes up by a rather a lot should you want to say get more than say 120 bhp (and I mean a proper figure there not quote me happy results) from a 1600 so a 1.1 is going to be even more so.
Look forward to seeing what you can achieve though.
In my view you'd be best off buying a different head altogether for this 1.1 and starting from there with something that is going to flow half decently. You'll probably save money doing it that way and having something more impressive to begin with

I have been shopping for cylinder heads to be fair, there's just not much that fits the 1.1 block correctly to be fair .... I will have a look at some head gasket fitments over the next week and see what lines up as a contender as only have a 72mm bore and +3mm on the gasket is asking for it lol.

The gas flowing work is cheap as far as I'm concerned at £200 and then £8 per valve for bigger valve seats (we can all guess where that's going).

And I don't find having a 1.1 under the bonnet an embarrassment if anyone cares to take a look, more of a comedy due to it being a good deal lighter than the 1600 counterparts and if it's really nippy that's a bonus

4th September 2014, 17:39

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Originally Posted by chompy_snake

And I don't find having a 1.1 under the bonnet an embarrassment if anyone cares to take a look, more of a comedy due to it being a good deal lighter than the 1600 counterparts and if it's really nippy that's a bonus

4th September 2014, 17:47

4th September 2014, 18:17

I wouldn't waste my time or money.

Either buy a Genuine VTS/GTi or drop a 16v in your flatty.

4th September 2014, 19:15

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Originally Posted by chompy_snake

Right seen as though my 1.1 is proving to be so much fun after putting the old thing on a diet, I want to make it a little more fun!
I have been looking into certain tweaks that will make the engine a little more revvy but don't want to spend big money on the grounds that it is only a 1.1 and not a jet fighter. It got me thinking about the camshaft ... essentially the VTR silver top cam should fit in there with the standard gear i.e rockers and springs, but couple this with a good head skim is the profile going to be too aggressive resulting in piston/valve contact???

I don't care for people telling me that it's a 1.1 and not worth it as for now it is only weighing in at 800kg with 1/4 tank of fuel (not bad for a 5dr). A TU5 JP4 out of a friends C2 VTR is supposed to be up for grabs in the spring and I am considering that. But for now the 1.1 is great and does have some tuning potential for little cash outlay!

Any advice appreciated on this as I don't seem to be able to find the answer (maybe too lazy lol) cheers in advance

The part highlighted in red was in original post!
I feel like I'm just doing this repetitively today ---->

I thought it was clear what the long term intentions are to be, never mind, In the short term I want to have a little fun with the engine I have. Just because I can and I want to and it's not often done!

If I thought that I would get endless barrages of abuse from people here (just because I have a 1.1 and want a bit of fun with it) I would never have joined Saxperience in the first place! I guess it's wrong to be different in this crowd ... all your achieving here is to make me want to get a 1.1 to go as fast as possible, you do realise that right?

No 16 valve 1.6 will be going near my car untill I want to do the mod, but I would rather go 1.8 out of a picasso or something to be different

4th September 2014, 19:20

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Originally Posted by chompy_snake

The part highlighted in red was in original post!
I feel like I'm just doing this repetitively today ---->

I thought it was clear what the long term intentions are to be, never mind, In the short term I want to have a little fun with the engine I have. Just because I can and I want to and it's not often done!

If I thought that I would get endless barrages of abuse from people here (just because I have a 1.1 and want a bit of fun with it) I would never have joined Saxperience in the first place! I guess it's wrong to be different in this crowd ... all your achieving here is to make me want to get a 1.1 to go as fast as possible, you do realise that right?

No 16 valve 1.6 will be going near my car untill I want to do the mod, but I would rather go 1.8 out of a picasso or something to be different

I think you're taking this wrong. People might be taking the piss a little, but it's light hearted. And to save you money...

Realitically if you do get a 16v, what you gonna do with your cammed 1.1? Aint no-one gonna buy it for even 20% of what you invest in it for starters.

No ones hatin' on you bro, just when you've been around the scene a while, you see this all the time. Dreamers come on and profess how they want to be different. Now, only time will tell if you're a "dreamer" or not, but even if you're not, you're basically throwing money away. People are trying to guide you, not bash you

If I had a pound for every thread I saw about someone whos bought an intercooler from ebay and a 2nd hand turbo, then made a progress thread "BOOSTING SAXO Y0!" I'd not even need to take wages from Premium Memberships...

Whatever you do, enjoy it and do post about it. Just be prepared for some shit about it too

4th September 2014, 19:25

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Originally Posted by Ross

If I had a pound for every thread I saw about someone whos bought an intercooler from ebay and a 2nd hand turbo, then made a progress thread "BOOSTING SAXO Y0!" I'd not even need to take wages from Premium Memberships...

Wait what!

I know you're fucking around, but actually are you, you drive a Nazi Wagon after all

4th September 2014, 19:26

I'm thoroughly enjoying it so far, I have no intention of selling the engine on after I'm done ... it will sit in the back of the garage if/when I change it so I have a fall back motor if anything was to go wrong!
Maybe people should go a little easier on the new folk though?? just a thought? but on the plus side it has been boosting my post count lol

4th September 2014, 19:27

If you like I can move the thread into the newbies section so you lose the post counts?

4th September 2014, 19:34

You could .... but your not that evil, are you???? lol

4th September 2014, 20:12

Fair play to you for having a crack at it, people are just a little skeptical with this kind of thing as 90% of the time threads like this are created by dreamers that never go through with the plans

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4th September 2014, 21:23

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Originally Posted by Jizanthapus

Got fucking own3d m8.

Well, I will do when I get overtaken by a 1.1!!

Hahah well, when it passes you, you'll think, oh he must of stuck a 16v in that...but in reality, it'll be this kid who goes against the laws of science and shit, and is gonna make some veyron munching 1.1 saxo!!!!

Btw, your new nick name is Jizzypants, partly because your name sort of looks like it and partly because I saw you outside easingwold primary school and that's how I'd have described you...

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5th September 2014, 11:09

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Originally Posted by Gandi699

Fair play to you for having a crack at it, people are just a little skeptical with this kind of thing as 90% of the time threads like this are created by dreamers that never go through with the plans

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This is it. Build your cammed 1.1 and stop writing essays on here. Prove everyone wrong. Then when you can beat a vts we'll all suck your dick!

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Originally Posted by jbrady72

Hahah well, when it passes you, you'll think, oh he must of stuck a 16v in that...but in reality, it'll be this kid who goes against the laws of science and shit, and is gonna make some veyron munching 1.1 saxo!!!!

Btw, your new nick name is Jizzypants, partly because your name sort of looks like it and partly because I saw you outside easingwold primary school and that's how I'd have described you...

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Do you know who you're speaking to, boy?

Want to meet up and rev engines sometime?

5th September 2014, 11:39

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Originally Posted by chompy_snake

Maybe people should go a little easier on the new folk though?? just a thought? but on the plus side it has been boosting my post count lol

That will never happen. I got loads of shit when i first signed up.

Just fight through it and troll the trolls!

5th September 2014, 11:51

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Originally Posted by Jizanthapus

This is it. Build your cammed 1.1 and stop writing essays on here. Prove everyone wrong. Then when you can beat a vts we'll all suck your dick!

Do you know who you're speaking to, boy?

Want to meet up and rev engines sometime?

I do hope that that's not some dirty innuendo....but maybe we should, I am meant to be coming to the easo massif at some point next week, but not sure what's happening yet!

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5th September 2014, 12:42

Ross, I bet you havent heard a tu1 properly done then, the one I saw sandy mapping sounded fooking epic, you won't get a tu5 still pulling to 9k on a standard bottom end...

5th September 2014, 12:54

No I've not heard one I will admit

Generally you're in front of a 1.1 when driving anything short of pretty much a tractor so it's difficult to hear from so far ahead

6th September 2014, 03:30

Well I have had a bit of fun tonight, been called a liar and discovered that I have a car that upsets people lol.
I can keep pace with a 1.9tdi golf up to 80mph (just) but is only the 100bhp version and weighs as much as the moon. And a random guy in a crx thing threw abuse at me insisting I can't have a 1.1 in my saxo because I embarrassed him in front of his fancy woman while entering a bypass lmao

So I guess soley taking weight out of the car does have positive effects. I will be away for a week or so as I have to go to Stockton on sunday, I haven't spat the dummy out if anyone wonders why I am being quiet for once lol

6th September 2014, 08:14

It's all about weight reduction if you can live without any semblance of comfort. I need 400hp now because I'm fat.

Less donuts = less power needed. Simples.

18th February 2018, 16:51

Quite old thread but still the same issues.

Personally having no particular interest in high power or racing applications.

I always prefer the healthy and reliable delivery. Meaning on my 1.1 I simply redid the head with new valves, a quite careful valve work, cleaned ports on both intake and exhaust. Coupled back with a standard thickness head gasket (slightly more compression). The head was simply machined as any other TU head. Renovated exhaust system.
Decent synthetic oil, filters, etc. new ignition parts finishing in nice Denso iridium spark plugs.
Results are a slightly peppier delivery, but totally able to use the regular 95 octane gas. Reliable within OEM limits, quieter and smoother than before. All that in a very light and "crappy" 106/96, 3 door, no central locking, no electric mirrors, no electric windows, no A/C...no anything.

Did I mention it's a pleasure to drive.

20th February 2018, 05:09

All that for "slightly peppier delivery"?!

20th February 2018, 10:19

so you've done a headgakset and wasted your money on spark plugs and restored an engine to its former glory of 60 bhp.

20th February 2018, 19:28

I'll smoke your peppy 1.1 with my 1.5d

I power washed my inlet clean and fitted high performance glow plugs.

20th February 2018, 20:54

I don’t get why people cry about somebody doing somthing to a 1.1 or any small engine small car,going on a track day or thrashing ur car about has nothing to do with big powerful engines or being fast, it’s all about having a laugh I really don’t understand why people get so serious, but then I remember what forums are actually like people can be helpful if u like the same as them nd if u don’t then ur a terrible twat and they all gang up Nd hate u

20th February 2018, 21:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamL200

I dont get why people cry about somebody doing somthing to a 1.1 or any small engine small car,going on a track day or thrashing ur car about has nothing to do with big powerful engines or being fast, its all about having a laugh I really dont understand why people get so serious, but then I remember what forums are actually like people can be helpful if u like the same as them nd if u dont then ur a terrible twat and they all gang up Nd hate u

Generally speaking the crying is much worse on any Facebook "forum". imho

20th February 2018, 21:42

True, just let people do what they wana do it’s really not that hard lol

21st February 2018, 01:48

I think it's more the fact you're kind of trying to boast about it and say how a 1.1 can be just as good as a bigger engined car, when at the end of the day it's just a pile of shit. Don't get me wrong, they're great for a first car or if you want something really cheap to run. But it's a 1.1 tin box - it's never going to be the racecar you're making it out to be.

Or you're just trolling.

Just to add - not everyone holds the same opinions abouts cars. If you like it that's fine, but don't expect everyone to instantly agree with you and worship the ground you walk on...

21st February 2018, 08:25

Let’s be honest as an owner of a saxo They are just little shit tin boxes wether it’s a 1.1 or a vts,all of them lol