New some help plz guys

1. cashew1989 Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 163

   #1 4th September 2014, 20:50

   I own a saxo vtr and it is lower 40mm all round front is coliover and found out to day that my coliover are leaking and theres movement on them both. Is there any way I could fix it or do I have to get new one.
   
   My mate has said it is cheaper to get a stranded front suspension and get 40mm spring but can't find 40mm just 50mm so my next Q is will is work 50mm on the front and 40mm on back thanks
   
   
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2. user_64763 Established Member Joined: Jun 2013 York Posts: 2134 Citroen Saxo VTR (2001)

   #2 4th September 2014, 21:48

   Yes that will work fine, saxos sit higher at the back anyway so it will just level it out a bit more. I'm lowered 40mm on front and about 65-70 on the rear and mine sits just right I think.
   I believe you can get shock absorbers refurbished, not sure where so wait for someone to confirm but you won't need to buy brand new coilovers I wouldn't have said.
   
   
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3. cashew1989 Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 163

   #3 4th September 2014, 21:56

   So 50mm will work lower on the front and I ask because was trying not to spend a lot out lol and could u put a pic up of your car to see how it look lol
   
   
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4. user_64763 Established Member Joined: Jun 2013 York Posts: 2134 Citroen Saxo VTR (2001)

   #4 4th September 2014, 21:58

   Yeah it'll be fine! Standard, saxos are about 20mm higher at the back so if your front is lower by 10 than the back, it'll just be more even!
   Here is mine,
   
   
   
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5. user_64763 Established Member Joined: Jun 2013 York Posts: 2134 Citroen Saxo VTR (2001)

   #5 4th September 2014, 22:00

   
   
   On this one, the back wheels are in a dip but you can see how it sits
   
   
   
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6. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

   #6 4th September 2014, 22:09

   You need to take the coilover apart and find out what insert is fitted to the hub carrier. Some dampers can be rebuilt but many cannot. Its often not worth doing. Bilstein charge something like £80 for a rebuild per damper for example
7. cashew1989 Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 163

   #7 4th September 2014, 22:23

   Nice jbrady mite have to look I to that and would it just be easyer to buy new coliover or get a stranded one and put a 40m/50m on it ?
   
   
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8. user_64763 Established Member Joined: Jun 2013 York Posts: 2134 Citroen Saxo VTR (2001)

   #8 4th September 2014, 22:45

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   Originally Posted by cashew1989 Nice jbrady mite have to look I to that and would it just be easyer to buy new coliover or get a stranded one and put a 40m/50m on it ? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

   
   Difficulty wise, they're no different. You still gotta take the strut off the car! money wise, a standard strut would be cheaper but then you haven't got the same ride/handling quality but it depends on your money.
   I'm only on standard struts and shocks, with lowering springs. For 40mm, you can get away with it as long as you're not too stupid over bumps, the ride is still ok! I am lookig at stiffer shocks though at some point just to improve the handling but knackered wheel bearings and alternate is first on the list!
   
   
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9. cashew1989 Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 163

   #9 4th September 2014, 22:53

   Ya see befor I had the car rise the handly was lovely and hard ands it's at 40mm and half sofe my just get some new ones lol
   
   
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10. user_64763 Established Member Joined: Jun 2013 York Posts: 2134 Citroen Saxo VTR (2001)

    #10 4th September 2014, 22:56

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    Originally Posted by cashew1989 Ya see befor I had the car rise the handly was lovely and hard ands it's at 40mm and half sofe my just get some new ones lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

    
    Could you reply when you're not drunk? haahaha
    
    
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11. cashew1989 Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 163

    #11 4th September 2014, 23:55

    Really sorry I ent that good at spelling some word lool my bad
    
    
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12. Jizanthapus Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 3593

    #12 5th September 2014, 10:51

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    Originally Posted by cashew1989 Ya see befor I had the car rise the handly was lovely and hard ands it's at 40mm and half sofe my just get some new ones lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

    

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13. rey Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Kent Posts: 8205 :(s)rac

    #13 5th September 2014, 11:06

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    Originally Posted by cashew1989 Really sorry I ent that good at spelling some word lool my bad Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

    Maybe not.. But even an iphone has a built in spell checker, use it.
14. chompy Established Member Joined: Jan 2008 Scotland Posts: 1764 Because racecar

    #14 5th September 2014, 12:47

    Just...wow.
15. cashew1989 Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 163

    #15 5th September 2014, 14:42

    Lol will remember that for next time and I can't help it, just something I have lol and dose anyone know where I could get some stranded strut with springs as can't find them anyway look on eBay asm scrap yard and can't get hold of any.
    
    
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16. Dany4494 Established Member Joined: May 2012 West Yorkshire Posts: 1806 Civic EP2

    #16 5th September 2014, 15:16

    Dote no fink motorhog probibly have sum
17. Jizanthapus Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 3593

    #17 5th September 2014, 15:24

    Do you realise you are saying stranded?
18. rey Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Kent Posts: 8205 :(s)rac

    #18 5th September 2014, 15:38

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    find them anyway look on eBay asm scrap yard

    Seriously, what is this supposed to say?
    
    

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    Ya see befor I had the car rise the handly was lovely and hard ands it's at 40mm and half sofe my just get some new ones lol

    And that..
19. cashew1989 Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 163

    #19 5th September 2014, 15:39

    Will have a look thanks and now I read it again I should be just. Saying front struts yes or no ?
    
    
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20. chompy Established Member Joined: Jan 2008 Scotland Posts: 1764 Because racecar

    #20 5th September 2014, 15:40

    You will get no help unless you at least try to construct your posts a little better. Nobody is expecting perfect English, but at least an attempt to explain things clearly would be nice.

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21. cashew1989 Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 163

    #21 5th September 2014, 15:42

    Top one says I can't find the struts anywhere I have look and phoned around eg eBay, asm and other scrap yard to find the parts I need.
    
    
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22. Quick Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2003 United Kingdom (England) Posts: 7064

    #22 5th September 2014, 15:47

    You do realise that there is suspension section!!!
23. chompy Established Member Joined: Jan 2008 Scotland Posts: 1764 Because racecar

    #23 5th September 2014, 15:52

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    Originally Posted by cashew1989 Top one says I can't find the struts anywhere I have look and phoned around eg eBay, asm and other scrap yard to find the parts I need. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

    That's more like it
    
    You'll need to find either someone breaking a car or find a 106/saxo in the scrappys. Any 106/Saxo will do. They all share the same struts, the only difference being is that some have a mount welded on them for the ARB drop links. So if you have drop links, you will need ones with, if you don't then you can use either.
24. cashew1989 Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 163

    #24 5th September 2014, 15:53

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    Originally Posted by cashew1989 Ya see befor I had the car rise the handly was lovely and hard ands it's at 40mm and half sofe my just get some new ones lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

    
    
    
    
    See be for I had the car raised as it was too low for where I live. The cars handing was nice and now I have had the car raised to 40mm it just don't feel the same e.g very bouncy on the roads but unlike be for it didn't do that and don't know what mm it was at.
    
    Sorry I rush it and didn't think of what I was write befor
    
    
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25. cashew1989 Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 163

    #25 5th September 2014, 15:57

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    Originally Posted by chompy That's more like it You'll need to find either someone breaking a car or find a 106/saxo in the scrappys. Any 106/Saxo will do. They all share the same struts, the only difference being is that some have a mount welded on them for the ARB drop links. So if you have drop links, you will need ones with, if you don't then you can use either.

    
    Yes I do have drop links on mine and one has broken aswell but only on one side
    
    
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26. chompy Established Member Joined: Jan 2008 Scotland Posts: 1764 Because racecar

    #26 5th September 2014, 15:58

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    Originally Posted by cashew1989 Yes I do have drop links on mine and one has broken aswell but only on one side Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

    So you'll need to find struts with the ARB links welded to them. That's a bit more challenging. There were the VTS, 106 GTI and i think the VTR has them as well. There may be more models but that's all I can think of off the top of my head.
    
    The broken droplink will definitely be causing the bouncy feeling you've been having.
27. cashew1989 Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 163

    #27 5th September 2014, 16:24

    I am at work at the min but when I get home I will take each front wheel off and take and pic of the struts so you can see it
    
    
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28. chompy Established Member Joined: Jan 2008 Scotland Posts: 1764 Because racecar

    #28 5th September 2014, 16:27

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    Originally Posted by cashew1989 I am at work at the min but when I get home I will take each front wheel off and take and pic of the struts so you can see it Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

    There's no need. If you have drop links, you need struts from a car that had the same setup or you won't be able to use your ARB.
29. cashew1989 Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 163

    #29 5th September 2014, 17:11

    that's driver side and what's this part for because the other day I had the wheel off. It looked pushed out And now it's in ??
    
    
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30. Dany4494 Established Member Joined: May 2012 West Yorkshire Posts: 1806 Civic EP2

    #30 5th September 2014, 18:31

    Are you english ? just wondering ?
31. cashew1989 Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 163

    #31 5th September 2014, 18:36

    Yes I am English lol . I just don't know a lot about cars in all then I found tap a talk and fort I could ask ppl to help me out with some things on the car
    
    
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32. Dany4494 Established Member Joined: May 2012 West Yorkshire Posts: 1806 Civic EP2

    #32 5th September 2014, 18:42

    Cool born in the uk m8 ? Or just not been went go to school ?
33. oxass Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 215

    #33 5th September 2014, 21:03

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    Originally Posted by cashew1989 that's driver side and what's this part for because the other day I had the wheel off. It looked pushed out And now it's in ?? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

    That is the steering rack and it's missing a rubber gaitor.
    Are sure the shock is leaking oil seems to be a lot of oil on the strut look's like the steering rack is leaking and it gas sprayed oil on the suspension it would be wise to check the power steering fluid level.
34. cashew1989 Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 163

    #34 5th September 2014, 21:13

    So really the strut could be fine and it could be that the steering rack has leak oil all over the strut and dany4494 I am in full time job
    
    
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35. cashew1989 Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 163

    #35 5th September 2014, 21:20

    Oxass I have just look at the car and it seems to be just the driver side as the other side hasn't got any oil over the strut. Could it be the steering rack and the shock broken ?
    
    
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36. cashew1989 Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 163

    #36 5th September 2014, 21:22

    And forgot to add that the power steering fluid level is full
    
    
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37. Dany4494 Established Member Joined: May 2012 West Yorkshire Posts: 1806 Civic EP2

    #37 5th September 2014, 21:39

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    Originally Posted by cashew1989 So really the strut could be fine and it could be that the steering rack has leak oil all over the strut and dany4494 I am in full time job Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

    Cool waz u born in uk
38. oxass Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 215

    #38 5th September 2014, 21:42

    If dirt has got in rack due to no gaitor it will fk the rack the shock may be leaking as well jack the car up take the wheel off clean all the oil off start the engine steer the car from lock to lock a few time and turn it full lock so the rack is fully exsposed where the gaitor should be check for any oil if it looks ok replace the gaitor.To check the shock visualy inspect the piston part for oil with the car on the ground press down hard on car on the same side as the suspect shock if it bounces more than once the shock is suspect.

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39. cashew1989 Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 163

    #39 5th September 2014, 21:45

    Yes dany4494 and thank you a lot oxass will try that 2mor and will let you know what happen lol
    
    
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40. oxass Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 215

    #40 5th September 2014, 21:54

    Thinking about it the hydralic part of these racks is seperate from the rack so chances are it will be the shock leaking however still inspect the rack and clean it andreplace the gaitor.
41. cashew1989 Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 163

    #41 5th September 2014, 22:29

    Ok will go to a scrap yard 2mor and get a gaitor. Then I will clean it all up and try snd find the leak lol
    
    
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42. MuZiZZle Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2011 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 7779 Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5

    #42 5th September 2014, 22:41

    
43. cashew1989 Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 163

    #43 5th September 2014, 23:09

    Lmao where do you lot find pic like this lool
    
    
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44. MuZiZZle Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2011 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 7779 Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5

    #44 5th September 2014, 23:34

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    Originally Posted by cashew1989 Lmao where do you lot find pic like this lool Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

    That's me
    
    
45. cashew1989 Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 163

    #45 5th September 2014, 23:44

    For real ??
    
    
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46. MuZiZZle Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2011 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 7779 Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5

    #46 6th September 2014, 00:31

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    Originally Posted by cashew1989 For real ?? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

    yeah, why?

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47. cashew1989 Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 163

    #47 6th September 2014, 01:01

    Just wondering that's all mate
    
    
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48. Dany4494 Established Member Joined: May 2012 West Yorkshire Posts: 1806 Civic EP2

    #48 6th September 2014, 12:34